Can La'el Collins play RT?

[Rogerthat12]

Not at all, Son...you are tuting your horn about the insults for the 'coward of the county,' that is, until he locked the door to the bar...watch your steps now, or actually talk some base level football that doesn't smell of agenda, your own.

The point of Flozel Adams, was to show that he started at offensive guard to get acquainted with the interaction in an offensive line,..AND THERE WAS A NEED THERE. A lot of dual position players come into the NFL, that are kicked inside or out. But that depending more upon team needs and skill sets of those players. Oh, as to talent of Flozell, he was Pro Bowl during his career and dependable when he was moved back outside.

But college linemen do have flex that are matched up with team needs. Teams still attempt to put their top five talents onto the field at one time. As with Larry Allen, he moved outside, because that got the best five players on the field. No doubt, he was a much better player at guard, although.

BUT, the principal of best five could apply today, and the movement of Collins outside.

This is base level and boring! I am not your "son" or any other relation to you.

No one is arguing he can not play swing tackle but his best fit for his skill set and with regard to his weaknesses is at G, he is ideally-suited to play G in the NFL.

I have no agenda, Collins plays LG for the Dallas Cowboys right now and has for the last two years, he has never played RT in the NFL other than some base level practices in OTA's and he was quickly moved to G where he was rotating even in those two weeks primarily playing RT in OTA's.

If you were honest then, everything you are basing your opinion upon is a projection of what you think he can do at RT, this is a projection and conjecture, nothing more.

You can not and have not seen Collins play RT for any extended time at the RT position or in actual NFL games have you?

So you are projecting what you think about Collins at RT at this time about something you simply do not know and can not know in concrete reality, that is, how he would actually play at RT in the NFL.

We know Collins can play LG well in the NFL and obviously the Cowboys staff think so as well.

Collins is not Flozell Adams or Larry Allen and his skill set is ideally suited inside, where has flourished in the NFL, Allen is in a class of his own.

This is simply where we disagree, I am not going around this over and over with you or anyone else.

 

[T-RO]

What does an article from 2010 have to do with anything in this conversation? Adam's last year in Dallas was 2009. You're referencing 2010-2011 which is well after Parcells was with the Cowboys.

Flozell Adams was done by then. He was walking with a limp in his final year with the Cowboys and had a big salary.

I mis-typed the years. But the history is correct. Adams wasn't regarded as top player when Cowboys moved HOF Allen off tackle to put the Hotel there. Positional fit is vital.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I think Collins can play RT better than Free. If Cooper sticks I would want to have a starting lineup consisting of

Tron, Collins, Fred, Martin and Green.

If Green were to become injured again I would move Collins to RT and plug in Cooper at LG.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I mis-typed the years. But the history is correct. Adams wasn't regarded as top player when Cowboys moved HOF Allen off tackle to put the Hotel there. Positional fit is vital.

It's called getting your 5 best players on the field. Allen was a consensus All Pro LT, a rare honor for only the very best in the NFL, for all of your assertions about him being serviceable or his natural position whatever that means.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is base level and boring! I am not your "son" or any other relation to you.

No one is arguing he can not play swing tackle but his best fit for his skill set and with regard to his weaknesses is at G, he is ideally-suited to play G in the NFL.

I have no agenda, Collins plays LG for the Dallas Cowboys right now and has for the last two years, he has never played RT in the NFL other than some base level practices in OTA's and he was quickly moved to G where he was rotating even in those two weeks primarily playing RT in OTA's.

If you were honest then, everything you are basing your opinion upon is a projection of what you think he can do at RT, this is a projection and conjecture, nothing more.

You can not and have not seen Collins play RT for any extended time at the RT position or in actual NFL games have you?

So you are projecting what you think about Collins at RT at this time about something you simply do not know and can not know in concrete reality, that is, how he would actually play at RT in the NFL.

We know Collins can play LG well in the NFL and obviously the Cowboys staff think so as well.

Collins is not Flozell Adams or Larry Allen and his skill set is ideally suited inside, where has flourished in the NFL, Allen is in a class of his own.

This is simply where we disagree, I am not going around this over and over with you or anyone else.

Your agenda is that OG is Collins 'ideal.' You admitted to it in this post. You have argued for the conclusion the entire time and it is pretty obvious. You can claim you have no agenda but your rhetoric belies the narrative.

Maybe you think Collins can play OG in the NFL but 'we' don't know anything. Speak for yourself. Try more substance less rhetorical device to make your arguments.

For example, Collins played less than 100 snaps before injuring his foot. That was not enough of a body of work to determine where he was at in year 2. In year 1, he looked like a rookie. He lost focus, showed poor awareness in blitzes and line games, and demonstrated inconsistent technique particular in being overaggressive.

As for the Cowboys staff. You don't know what they think.

The Adams, Allen, and Alberts discussion is not claiming they are the same. It is a rebuttal of your notion that you can tell what the Cowboys think of Collins because they started him out at guard. They are empirical examples of your reasoning not bearing out.

You are welcome to disagree but if you want to make a compelling argument it helps to address your opponent's actual arguments.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Your agenda is that OG is Collins 'ideal.' You admitted to it in this post. You have argued for the conclusion the entire time and it is pretty obvious. You can claim you have no agenda but your rhetoric belies the narrative.

Maybe you think Collins can play OG in the NFL but 'we' don't know anything. Speak for yourself. Try more substance less rhetorical device to make your arguments.

For example, Collins played less than 100 snaps before injuring his foot. That was not enough of a body of work to determine where he was at in year 2. In year 1, he looked like a rookie. He lost focus, showed poor awareness in blitzes and line games, and demonstrated inconsistent technique particular in being overaggressive.

As for the Cowboys staff. You don't know what they think.

The Adams, Allen, and Alberts discussion is not claiming they are the same. It is a rebuttal of your notion that you can tell what the Cowboys think of Collins because they started him out at guard. They are empirical examples of your reasoning not bearing out.

You are welcome to disagree but if you want to make a compelling argument it helps to address your opponent's actual arguments.

No longer exchanging with you, direct your posts to other users.

Until you have NFL game tape of Collins playing at all at RT in actual games, you have NOTHING but OPINION and Projection, nothing more.

There is no evidence that Collins can play RT well in the NFL, it is based on an opinion of what he could do but there is no evidence that he can at this point and the burden of proof is upon those saying he can, that is a positive argument, so no need to prove a negative.

There can be no comparison because he has played LG for two years, the small sample size we do have was in OTA's and he was moved from RT to LG after they watched him rotating at both accordingly.

To think the Cowboys staff were not evaluating Collins in OTA's at both positions is pure denial especially after Garrett said they were starting him a RT not G at first (though they did rotate him to g) to quickly acclimate to the NFL, not the other way around.

Then they moved him to G permanently even with a gimpy Doug Free, you can tell what they think by what they did, Free was injured at this time not Leary.

If he were so good at RT and did not struggle as Collins and others have said accordingly, why did they not leave him at RT especially considering the need with Doug Free.

We know he plays well in the NFL at LG, we have no actual evidence that he can play RT well in the NFL, we just have opinions based on projection but projection not actualized in concrete reality is just conjecture.

I will no longer exchange with you having nothing to do with arguments or perspectives but with respect to your approach and decorum, so just ignore me as we go forward.

 

[xwalker]

I mis-typed the years. But the history is correct. Adams wasn't regarded as top player when Cowboys moved HOF Allen off tackle to put the Hotel there. Positional fit is vital.

He was a good OT with high upside. Just because he was not a Pro Bowl player does not mean he was dog poop like Doug Free.

Your texts sound like your quoting Wiki. I was watching that situation at the time it happened in the same detail that I watch the current situation. Adams was a very good player but didn't get recognized early on because he had too many false starts. Many people said it was due to being deaf in one ear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The concept seems to elude you that some players are better fits for guard or tackles. I don't have the time or interest to invest in your education.

Collins has 33.25" arms, ran a 4.63 shuttle at 305 lbs, and played years at LT in the SEC. You can posture about your ability to educate all you like but 6'4" high cut guards are not the prototype with leverage being what it is.

 

[Sarge]

STAY ON TOPIC OR YOUR POST WILL BE DELETED. IF THE NONSENSE CONTINUES THE THREAD WILL BE LOCKED OR BENCHINGS WILL BE "AWARDED."

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No longer exchanging with you, direct your posts to other users.

Until you have NFL game tape of Collins playing at all at RT in actual games, you have NOTHING but OPINION and Projection, nothing more.

There is no evidence that Collins can play RT well in the NFL, it is based on an opinion of what he could do but there is no evidence that he can at this point and the burden of proof is upon those saying he can, that is a positive argument, so no need to prove a negative.

There can be no comparison because he has played LG for two years, the small sample size we do have was in OTA's and he was moved from RT to LG after they watched him rotating at both accordingly.

To think the Cowboys staff were not evaluating Collins in OTA's at both positions is pure denial especially after Garrett said they were starting him a RT not G at first (though they did rotate him to g) to quickly acclimate to the NFL, not the other way around.

Then they moved him to G permanently even with a gimpy Doug Free, you can tell what they think by what they did, Free was injured at this time not Leary.

If he were so good at RT and did not struggle as Collins and others have said accordingly, why did they not leave him at RT especially considering the need with Doug Free.

We know he plays well in the NFL at LG, we have no actual evidence that he can play RT well in the NFL, we just have opinions based on projection but projection not actualized in concrete reality is just conjecture.

I will no longer exchange with you having nothing to do with arguments or perspectives but with respect to your approach and decorum, so just ignore me as we go forward.

I am saying that it is possible and rejecting your assertion that he cannot. You are the one saying he cannot. I am not fronting certainty.

And for the 7th time, Alberts, Adams, Allen, and other OL demonstrate that players can play OG their first couple of years and move to OT with success. One cannot conclude that because a staff starts a player at OG that they think he cannot play OT because of that empirical proof to the contrary.

As for the cup of coffee at the OTA, Garrett and Collins himself that it was about the switch to the right side from the left that was at issue. We know this because of the quotes from this thread. There is no quote of anyone saying he cannot play RT. There is also that guard is an easier position to work a young player into.

It has been pointed out a dozen times as well that the staff likes Doug Free. You thinking that Free is a problem does not mean they do. Garrett's pressers are proof enough of that. You really need to stop speaking for Garrett and co.

And it gets real old you repeating yourself and ignoring the rebuttal. 'We" know nothing and you cannot speak for me or anyone else but yourself. I reject your opinion on his play. I don't have enough info to say where he was last year and the year before I feel he was at best inconsistent. Not uncommon for a rookie but it is what it is. Collins is a bit of an unknown after missing almost all of last season and that is okay. No need to feign certainty one way or another.

There is no good reason to poopoo the move if the coaching staff decides to move him to OT. He has the quickness, length, and strength to play RT in the NFL if he can get the technique down and adjust to the right side.