Can La'el Collins play RT?

[revospeed]

I don't think he will play RT for us.

I agree. He's that good. I think that if Tyron ever goes out for a significant period of time, we'd see Martin shift over to LT and he'd play admirably.

 

[xwalker]

This shows you fail to appreciate the positional differences.

At guard you are delivering a punch and doing so in a closed space. At tackle you've got to range...protect the castle.

Allen might have been fine at tackle but was HOF at guard.

Generally speaking:
Tackles are leaner. Guards meaner.
Tackles taller with with span. Guards wider with junk in trunk
Tackles need quickness. Guards power and leverage.
Tackles need more lateral quickness.

Allen was born to play guard.

No, I think you're failing to understand my point.

The idea is to have the best team. They did that the year LA played OT and was a Pro Bowler doing it.

I doubt if there is anyone that posts here that does not get the general differences between OT and OG.

Again, if La'el Collins could play OT at the level that LA played it, then the decision would be between having Leary at OG or Free at RT. I think everybody can see that Leary is a much better player at his position than Free is at his.

Collins is more athletic than many RTs in the NFL. He is more athletic than Bryan Bulaga of the Packers who is the 2nd highest paid RT in the league. Collins and Bulaga have the same arm length. Bulaga is less than an inch taller.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy you've been a bit of a wreck in this thread. After scanning your posts hereI too am done discussing things with you.

If you want to claim that as some victory go right ahead. It's what a sophist would do...playing games rather than seeking the truth.

Allen was consensus all pro at LT in 1998. It is what it is.

If you don't want to argue that is fine. Kinda hard to argue that though.

 

[CCBoy]

This is a load of crap, nothing more.

His entire argument is based upon ignorance and conjecture, Collins has never played RT in the NFL other than OTA's and was moved to LG permanently, duh!

A load? Flozell Adams first played guard before moving out....why?

As to permanent...who is Ronald Leaf?

And no, as to name calling, it took until the last post by yourself, to establish at least a basis for stated reasons, beyond agenda. But discussion is errant beyond a negative view of the whole set of potentials for a variety of directions by the Cowboys offensive line. Yea, Collins at right tackle would be a valid option.

 

[CCBoy]

More personal attacks, that is all you do, speaks volumes and will be reported if you fail to stop.

Report...he addressed what is being presented, but in a third person/topical manner, until insulted and left in a demeaning manner. The fact is, the Cowboys will take a number of charted directions into discussion, to arrive at a conclusion. What Fuzzy presents, doesn't discount any of those alternatives.

 

[T-RO]

Reasonable post...I'll happily respond.

No, I think you're failing to understand my point. The idea is to have the best team. They did that the year LA played OT and was a Pro Bowler doing it.

Allen is one of the best lineman in history yet the Cowboys chose not to play him at the most important position--left tackle. They tried it and they moved him...even though he was viable at tackle. Positional fit is essential and the Allen case only underscores this fact.

I doubt if there is anyone that posts here that does not get the general differences between OT and OG.

Someone in this very thread asked specifically what attributes teams look for in guard versus tackle. Thus my comments.

Again, if La'el Collins could play OT at the level that LA played it, then the decision would be between having Leary at OG or Free at RT. I think everybody can see that Leary is a much better player at his position than Free is at his.

I've seen Larry Allen. I knew Larry Allen...Larry Allen was my friend. And Collins ain't no Larry Allen. Collins hasn't proved *anything* yet. No sure why the name keeps popping up.

Collins is more athletic than many RTs in the NFL. He is more athletic than Bryan Bulaga of the Packers who is the 2nd highest paid RT in the league. Collins and Bulaga have the same arm length. Bulaga is less than an inch taller.

The biggest single reason I have against Collins at RT is I don't trust his technique and understanding of assignments. Collins will put up an A++ play on one down, pancaking one or even two guys. The next play his technique gets him in trouble and he whiffs. That's most disconcerting at tackle, where consistency is everything protecting your quarterback.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Reasonable post...I'll happily respond.


Allen is one of the best lineman in history yet the Cowboys chose not to play him at the most important position--left tackle. They tried it and they moved him...even though he was viable at tackle. Positional fit is essential and the Allen case only underscores this fact.


Someone in this very thread asked specifically what attributes teams look for in guard versus tackle. Thus my comments.


I've seen Larry Allen. I knew Larry Allen...Larry Allen was my friend. And Collins ain't no Larry Allen. Collins hasn't proved *anything* yet. No sure why the name keeps popping up.



The biggest single reason I have against Collins at RT is I don't trust his technique and understanding of assignments. Collins will put up an A++ play on one down, pancaking one or even two guys. The next play his technique gets him in trouble and he whiffs. That's most disconcerting at tackle, where consistency is everything protecting your quarterback.

All that and no acknowledgement of his being all pro at LT. Instead you characterize the league's best LT as 'serviceable.'

 

[Rogerthat12]

Fuzzy you've been a bit of a wreck in this thread. After scanning your posts hereI too am done discussing things with you.

If you want to claim that as some victory go right ahead. It's what a sophist would do...playing games rather than seeking the truth.

Glorious!

 

[Rogerthat12]

Report...he addressed what is being presented, but in a third person/topical manner, until insulted and left in a demeaning manner. The fact is, the Cowboys will take a number of charted directions into discussion, to arrive at a conclusion. What Fuzzy presents, doesn't discount any of those alternatives.

Oh look out, Fuzzy has a cheerleader!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh look out, Fuzzy has a cheerleader!

Still have nothing of substance I see.

 

[T-RO]

Oh look out, Fuzzy has a cheerleader!

How about we move along to more meaningful dialog?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Glorious!

it's not surprising that you go straight hypocrite in your very next post.

 

[Rogerthat12]

How about we move along to more meaningful dialog?

You really can't, all you will get is name calling, personal attacks and a myriad of logical fallacies.

You have witnessed and referenced this yourself.

They keep replying to my posts playing games and with insults, at this point I am having fun with the matter.

 

[T-RO]

You really can't, all you will get is name calling, personal attacks and a myriad of logical fallacies.

Your last post was a personal attack. If you don't like the discussion why not move along?

 

[xwalker]

Reasonable post...I'll happily respond.


Allen is one of the best lineman in history yet the Cowboys chose not to play him at the most important position--left tackle. They tried it and they moved him...even though he was viable at tackle. Positional fit is essential and the Allen case only underscores this fact.


Someone in this very thread asked specifically what attributes teams look for in guard versus tackle. Thus my comments.


I've seen Larry Allen. I knew Larry Allen...Larry Allen was my friend. And Collins ain't no Larry Allen. Collins hasn't proved *anything* yet. No sure why the name keeps popping up.



The biggest single reason I have against Collins at RT is I don't trust his technique and understanding of assignments. Collins will put up an A++ play on one down, pancaking one or even two guys. The next play his technique gets him in trouble and he whiffs. That's most disconcerting at tackle, where consistency is everything protecting your quarterback.

We're discussing this because the Cowboys have problems at RT.

The Cowboys drafted Flozell Adams and he became a 5x Pro Bowler. That is why LA moved back to OG. If their best option at OT had been Doug Free while Zack Martin and Ron Leary were at OG, then LA would have stayed at OT.

 

[T-RO]

We're discussing this because the Cowboys have problems at RT.

The Cowboys drafted Flozell Adams and he became a 5x Pro Bowler. That is why LA moved back to OG. If their best option at OT had been Doug Free while Zack Martin and Ron Leary were at OG, then LA would have stayed at OT.

You are forgetting that Adams wasn't that good early in his career. The team considered letting him go unsigned in the 2010-11 time frame* He wasn't pro-bowl caliber until much later, after Parcells arrived.

Here's what the Cowboys did: they moved an all-world lineman out of the most important job on the line.... gave the job to solid but unspectacular player...all to optimize position fit. Allen was born to play guard. Adams was born for tackle.



* http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...3/Archer-Would-Cowboys-consider-releasing-177

 

[CCBoy]

Oh look out, Fuzzy has a cheerleader!NF

Not at all, Son...you are tuting your horn about the insults for the 'coward of the county,' that is, until he locked the door to the bar...watch your steps now, or actually talk some base level football that doesn't smell of agenda, your own.

The point of Flozel Adams, was to show that he started at offensive guard to get acquainted with the interaction in an offensive line,..AND THERE WAS A NEED THERE. A lot of dual position players come into the NFL, that are kicked inside or out. But that depending more upon team needs and skill sets of those players. Oh, as to talent of Flozell, he was Pro Bowl during his career and dependable when he was moved back outside.

But college linemen do have flex that are matched up with team needs. Teams still attempt to put their top five talents onto the field at one time. As with Larry Allen, he moved outside, because that got the best five players on the field. No doubt, he was a much better player at guard, although.

BUT, the principal of best five could apply today, and the movement of Collins outside.

 

[BigStar]

What would you all think about drafting Dan Feeney (OG, Indiana) at #28 and moving Martin to RT? Could be a long-term solution to our OL.

I feel like we've invested about as many 1st rounders on the OL as we can justify but agree about continuing to draft quality lineman any round after and getting Martin outside.

 

[xwalker]

You are forgetting that Adams wasn't that good early in his career. The team considered letting him go unsigned in the 2010-11 time frame* He wasn't pro-bowl caliber until much later, after Parcells arrived.

Here's what the Cowboys did: they moved an all-world lineman out of the most important job on the line.... gave the job to solid but unspectacular player...all to optimize position fit. Allen was born to play guard. Adams was born for tackle.



* http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...3/Archer-Would-Cowboys-consider-releasing-177

What does an article from 2010 have to do with anything in this conversation? Adam's last year in Dallas was 2009. You're referencing 2010-2011 which is well after Parcells was with the Cowboys.

Flozell Adams was done by then. He was walking with a limp in his final year with the Cowboys and had a big salary.

 

[xwalker]

What would you all think about drafting Dan Feeney (OG, Indiana) at #28 and moving Martin to RT? Could be a long-term solution to our OL.

No, if they're going to use a 1st on an OL then they might as well get a RT.

The conversation about La'el Collins is going on because people would like to keep Ron Leary at OG. If they could sign a RT the quality of Ron Leary at Guard for the same price as Ron Leary, then I think we would all be on board with that, but that player does not appear to exist this season. Leary is a very very good player that is likely to sign a somewhat reasonable contract. They know he is a great scheme fit and locker-room fit which you never know about outside players.