Can some of you football guys please explain to me...

[Bob Sacamano]

Turnovers?

Two fumbles and two picks.

Is that all you want? Stay in games? I wanna win games. We're losing a lot of games that we are in.

you don't get my point...

we play conservative

we give up the ball 4 times

now imagine if we try to turn into the Rams, or Eagles...pass, pass, pass, with how bad our Oline is...

so yes, I want to stay in games, I don't want to get into a huger hole than we were today, by giving up the ball more than we did today, against a good team, which we'll see plenty of the rest of the reg. season, and playoffs

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The D is whats keeping us in games. We need to address the conservative offense that CAN'T do enough to justify being on the same field as the defense.

yes, address the "conservative" offense...BUILD A COMPETENT OLINE

and my point is, the D is the same D that Parcells has ran for his whole coaching career, so "he's stuck in his ways" regarding defense, now, name me a weak link on our D, that's setting them back...

I bet you can't think of one, because nothing's setting our D back, so I don't hear anyone complaining about Parcells being "stuck in his ways" how he runs his Defense

but the Oline is setting our offense back, it limits what we can do on offense, so that we MUST play "conservative", and it's as much execution as it is gameplanning, and frankly, I don't see much executing going on from our offense

see my point? there's a really weak link on offense, Oline; therefore, our offense is scaled back and sucks, while there isn't really on D; therefore, our defense is great

fix the Oline

and look at BIll's past, he isn't afraid to throw the football...

 

[EveryoneElse]

you don't get my point...

we play conservative

we give up the ball 4 times

now imagine if we try to turn into the Rams, or Eagles...pass, pass, pass, with how bad our Oline is...

and yes, I want to stay in games, I don't want to get into a huge hole by giving up the ball more than we did today, against a good team, which we'll see plenty of the rest of the reg. season, and playoffs

IMO, your just playing into my arguement. WE ARE LOSING. Simple as that. We're losing game. Why continue to do just enough to where the score board looks respectable, when we could TRY TO WIN A GAME. If we're gunna go down, go down SWINGING. The season is slipping. The turnovers, imo, are a result of the players playing scared.....because thats the kind of game plan that their being given. What confidence do they have if the coaches aren;t confident in them?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

IMO, your just playing into my arguement. WE ARE LOSING. Simple as that. We're losing game. Why continue to do just enough to where the score board looks respectable, when we could TRY TO WIN A GAME. If we're gunna go down, go down SWINGING. The season is slipping. The turnovers, imo, are a result of the players playing scared.....because thats the kind of game plan that their being given. What confidence do they have if the coaches aren;t confident in them?

*shakes head* you still dont' get it

they're playing scared because they have a right to be, and even by playing it safe, close to the vest, whatever, they give up 4 turnovers

now if we want to pass, pass, pass, like some of y'all want, we'll take protection away from Bledsoe, increasing the risk for forced fumbles and bad decisions by Drew, INTs, caused by immense pressure, and hell, even when we max-protected Bledsoe, and the Gints only sent 3 rushers, they still got to Bledsoe

 

[EveryoneElse]

yes, address the "conservative" offense...BUILD A COMPETENT OLINE

and my point is, the D is the same D that Parcells has ran for his whole coaching career, so "he's stuck in his ways" regarding defense, now, name me a weak link on our D, that's setting them back...

I bet you can't think of one, because nothing's setting our D back, so I don't hear anyone complaining about Parcells being "stuck in his ways" how he runs his Defense

but the Oline is setting our offense back, it limits what we can do on offense, so that we MUST play "conservative", and it's as much execution as it is gameplanning, and frankly, I don't see much executing going on from our offense

see my point? there's a really wink link on offense, Oline; therefore, our offense is scaled back and sucks, while there isn't really on D; therefore, our defense is great

Our line sucks.....everyone with a brain knows that. DUH. I wouldn't have a problem being a running team if we COULD RUN. Thats the problem. We can't run, so why not pass more often? To me, running our backs 2 plays out of 3 is a waste of time. Drew is getting hit because the only time we pass is when it's an obvious passing down or situation. MIX IT UP.

 

[EveryoneElse]

*shakes head* you still dont' get it

they're playing scared because they have a right to be, and even by playing it safe, close to the vest, whatever, they give up 4 turnovers

now if we want to pass, pass, pass, like some of y'all want, we'll take protection away from Bledsoe, increasing the risk for forced fumbles and bad decisions by Drew, INTs, caused by immense pressure, and hell, even when we max-protected Bledsoe, and the Gints only sent 3 rushers, they still got to Bledsoe

*Shakes Head* You don't get it.

What don't you understand about us LOSING? Being stubborn about trying to establish a running game that isn't there is killing this teams chances. Every game we spend 3 and a half qtrs trying to run the ball. then we're down by a score and THEN WE START PASSING. FOr once I'd like to see what we could do if we went on the ATTACK.

 

[DMX690]

Our line sucks.....everyone with a brain knows that. DUH. I wouldn't have a problem being a running team if we COULD RUN. Thats the problem. We can't run, so why not pass more often? To me, running our backs 2 plays out of 3 is a waste of time. Drew is getting hit because the only time we pass is when it's an obvious passing down or situation. MIX IT UP.

You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

THANK YOU!!

someone gets it

 

[EveryoneElse]

You answer your own question man. The oline does suck... therefore it doesn't matter what type of gameplan your try to implore it not going to work. Everything start and end with your ability to control the LOS and right now we can only dream off making positive runs of even give Drew enough time to set his feet. So you can come with your fancy gameplans but it not going to change the fact that this oline look like crap.

MY point is TRY ******. TRY something that you haven't failed at yet. We have failed with this game plan(run till you have to pass). TRY something different. Drew threw 39 frickin times today, he isn't dead yet. I'm not saying throw 40 times a game. Come with something new. When I know your going to run for a yard...shock me and throw the ball.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We can't run, so why not pass more often?

:bang2:

CUZ WE CAN'T

!!!

when you run the football, the only risk is losing a fumble, or a couple of yards

but when you pass the football, the risks are losing a fumble, losing 10+yards, or throwing an INT

and since our Oline sucks, we can't do either effectively, but all the risks involved with passing the football, behind an Oline that can't pass-block, increases the chances of a team finding themselves in a hole more than running the football

the whole basis behind Parcells' philosophy this year, is to stay in games instead of being blown out because the offense gives up the ball too much, our Oline is too weak for us to control games against good teams

 

[EveryoneElse]

:bang2:

CUZ WE CAN'T

!!!

when you run the football, the only risk is losing a fumble, or a couple of yards

but when you pass the football, the risks are losing a fumble, losing 10+yards, or throwing an INT

and since our Oline sucks, we can't do either effectively, but all the risks involved with passing the football, behind an Oline that can't pass-block, increases the chances that a team will find themselves in a hole, than running the football

Whatever you say. The offense could be more creative. Bledsoe isn't dead after throwing 39 times today. If we're gunna lose these close games, we might as well go down swinging(being more creative), rather than lying down(running for 2.6 yards a carry).

Your right, let these next 4 teams ***** us by stopping the run and dictating what we do.

Good job

 

[Rack]

Why is it so hard for our staff to see that evry team we play is copying the same format to beat us? We run on first and second down, then on 3rd and 8 we try to run some 3 step drop that Bledsoe is horrid at doing. But on 3rd and 1 we throw the deep ball? The one damn game we came out threw the ball, it put our opponent on their heels for the entire game. Check this out, we were still able to control the game with the run after getting out front.

Fellas, I'm at the point that I rather throw it like Philly and then control the game with the run once we get out in front. I mean, Bledsoe is still throwing INTs and fumbling like Hutch. Why not just give it a shot? Can someone please explain our thought process, because even I am starting to second guess BP.

1. The eagles blitzed a lot and stupidly left their CBs one on one with our WRs.

2. We had Flozell Adams at that time and were able to protect Bledsoe. We can no longer protect him w/o leaving 2 or 3 guys in the help. When you do that it leaves only 2 or 3 available targets for Bledsoe. That hurts your passing game.


I wish people would get that through their thick skulls.

 

[Rack]

Your right, let these next 4 teams ***** us by stopping the run and dictating what we do.

If we can't run on the Chiefs sorry defense I'll be incredibly disappointed.


But not surprised.

 

[DMX690]

MY point is TRY ******. TRY something that you haven't failed at yet. We have failed with this game plan(run till you have to pass). TRY something different. Drew threw 39 frickin times today, he isn't dead yet. I'm not saying throw 40 times a game. Come with something new. When I know your going to run for a yard...shock me and throw the ball.

I really understand your frustration , i also would like to see more passing plays. But i realize under the current situation, with the state of this putrid O-line. We have to play a vanilla type offensive gameplan, because quite frankly that the only chance we have of sustaining drive. By doing this, we give our defence a chance to win the game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bledsoe isn't dead after throwing 39 times today.

no, but he accounted for 4 turnovers

If we're gunna lose these close games, we might as well go down swinging(being more creative), rather than lying down(running for 2.6 yards a carry).

if we turn into the Rams or Eagles, we won't be in any close games

still can't believe that it's BIll's fault, and not the Oline's, you see how horrible they're playing?

 

[EveryoneElse]

If we can't run on the Chiefs sorry defense I'll be incredibly disappointed.


But not surprised.

I expect to get blown out next week. Our defense will hold up for a half or so, but I expect to lose by atleast 17.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I expect to lose by atleast 17.

lmao!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

our Oline's performance:

allowed 4 sacks and countless pressure on Bledsoe, which led to 2 INTs and 2 FFs

we averaged 3 yards per carry

and you guys wonder why Parcells plays "conservatively"...

try pointing SOME of the blame on lack of execution from our players, and yes, even Bledsoe

 

[Rack]

I expect to get blown out next week. Our defense will hold up for a half or so, but I expect to lose by atleast 17.

They better not... I'll be at that game.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

You have to when the game plan(the same one we've been rolling out there for a long time now) is a pile of crap, and you fall behind.

I say we come out ATTACKING for once. Screw it, if we're going down, lets go down FIGHTING.

well our crap game plans have got us 7-5 so far. And barring some late collapses it could be better. So I dont think that it's nessecarily the game planning. With the way the Giants front 4 got pressure today, how do you want to romp any 7 strops.

The run wasn't that bad today. Jones broke off a few decent ones.