Can some of you football guys please explain to me...

[Rack]

For like the 200th time, we didn't lose cuz of the game plan. We lost cuz we didn't execute. Especially in our pass protection.

 

[Martice]

our Oline's performance:

allowed 4 sacks and countless pressure on Bledsoe, which led to 2 INTs and 2 FFs

we averaged 3 yards per carry

and you guys wonder why Parcells plays "conservatively"...

try pointing SOME of the blame on lack of execution from our players, and yes, even Bledsoe

I agree Summer. Why would we "come out throwing" when Drew's accuracy appears to increase with the longer passes. Unfortunately, he needs time from the 'O' line to get those types of passes off. Short passes are not his thing as well as throwing on the run. His short passes are well.. short, behind, too high, too low or too hard. I don't know how many short passes he was off on yesterday. Yeah the 'O' line was terrible but Drew had plenty of plays where he could get the ball out of there and they were just off. To put this into perspective, say if KJ had a nice 15 yarder in his hands while facing a good secondary and he dropped it. He would be crucified because we expect him to make those catches. Especially if they are hard to come by. Drew being off on short and screen passes has been happening all year but because his long game was on, all was forgiven and some even ignored this flaw in his game.

We only have one deep threat and 3 other receivers taking up the same space. P. Price must have really sucked because we never sent him deep and if we did, we never went to him. TG is playing great but he is not the type of WR that can take over a game regardless how teams defend him. I will say that I love and respect the effort that TG has given this year but he is no T.O.. Teams know that KJ, Crayton and Witten are not going deep. This creates an advantage for the opposing defense because the LB's and at least one safety can play up on the run while snuffing out our short and intermediate pass plays.

Drew is not THE reason our offense sucks but he is surely doing his part to screw things up. In addition, giving the ball to this guy even more is not the most sensible choice because he is not the best decision maker a lot of the times. Did it ever dawn on some of us that maybe the reason we run so much is because the alternative will ensure sudden death for our team and a rise in INT's and sacks for the opposing defense?

 

[30yrheel]

Folks, when you can't block, you can't do much of anything on offense. And this line cannot block. The complete inability of the line to pass-protect drives the game plan, not the other way around.

exactly right, well said.

 

[TunaFan33]

The game we had today is a perfect example of why we dont pass every down...Did you see Bledsoe, He was scared and had no time to pass the ball...We have to run so the DE's dont know what is coming and they cant just pass rush all game

Yeah-there were times when Bledsoe DID have time to throw-but he just didn't make the plays.

Remember the SD and SF games where he was smacked around a good one-but managed to light it up nonetheless. This definitely isn't the same Drew anymore.

 

[50cent]

1. The eagles blitzed a lot and stupidly left their CBs one on one with our WRs.

2. We had Flozell Adams at that time and were able to protect Bledsoe. We can no longer protect him w/o leaving 2 or 3 guys in the help. When you do that it leaves only 2 or 3 available targets for Bledsoe. That hurts your passing game.


I wish people would get that through their thick skulls.

I'm not buying this bull. Teams are still blitzing us like the Eagles. Once again Bledsoe is throwing the ball 20-25 times a game. Why not get those same throws on different downs. This is what I'm talking about. If your going to throw it 3rd and 8 , why not take a chance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8. Run run pass is killing me.

 

[Rack]

I'm not buying this bull. Teams are still blitzing us like the Eagles. Once again Bledsoe is throwing the ball 20-25 times a game. Why not get those same throws on different downs. This is what I'm talking about. If your going to throw it 3rd and 8 , why not take a chance on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8. Run run pass is killing me.

Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.

 

[ODawg]

Why is it so hard for our staff to see that evry team we play is copying the same format to beat us? We run on first and second down, then on 3rd and 8 we try to run some 3 step drop that Bledsoe is horrid at doing. But on 3rd and 1 we throw the deep ball? The one damn game we came out threw the ball, it put our opponent on their heels for the entire game. Check this out, we were still able to control the game with the run after getting out front.

Fellas, I'm at the point that I rather throw it like Philly and then control the game with the run once we get out in front. I mean, Bledsoe is still throwing INTs and fumbling like Hutch. Why not just give it a shot? Can someone please explain our thought process, because even I am starting to second guess BP.

WAY TO *** CONSERVATIVE

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.

Rack,

I agree with your point. It's a very good observation. But, I think the original point of the thread was about the play selection and the same formula we come out with offensively each week. It's a very valid point.

Go back in the game and look at the offense once we were down 17- 0.
You could see that Parcells took the reigns off the play-calling just a little and immediately we started moving the ball. A couple of longer completions to Glenn come to mind. It was more of an attack mode and not the "ball-control" offense we play with every week.

It is exactly what we did in the Monday night Philly game when we got behind. 3 or 4 plays and Bledsoe is throwing it to Glenn for a TD and up until that point we had done nothing offensively.

Now obviously, yesterday we didn't execute offensively in either half, but you just knew that after the score went to 17- 0 we changed our mindset offensively.

Did you not see that in the game yesterday?

 

[50cent]

Fine, don't buy. The truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Use your common sense and you should be able to see it.

What's better for a QB, 4 or 5 recieving options, or 2 or 3 recieving options?

What's better for a QB, bad protection, or good protection?

That sinking in yet?


And the Giants blitzed maybe 5 times yesterday. They doubled Glenn almost every play. It's difficult to blitz AND double cover someone at the same time.

What part isn't sinking in with you? When we throw we were going to use those same guys to protect our Tackles. I'm saying why not throw more on 1st down and stop being so predictable with the run and pass calls. Regardless of what down we throw those guys werent going in to their routes, so why not on obvious run downs mix it up and throw? You getting it yet.?

 

[dguinta1]

simple

we don't have the Oline

Bingo!

 

[Rack]

What part isn't sinking in with you? When we throw we were going to use those same guys to protect our Tackles. I'm saying why not throw more on 1st down and stop being so predictable with the run and pass calls. Regardless of what down we throw those guys werent going in to their routes, so why not on obvious run downs mix it up and throw? You getting it yet.?

The clueless one asking me if I get it... hilarious.

But, I think the original point of the thread was about the play selection and the same formula we come out with offensively each week. It's a very valid point.

Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.

 

[50cent]

The clueless one asking me if I get it... hilarious.






Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.

Go take a nap, your not smart enough to figure this one out. We have a poor Ol, thats not going to change anytime soon, but our playcalling can. I don't care how many people we use to protect Bledsoe. I do care that even my 5 year can tell when we are going to run and pass. If you can't see it, then you should be sleep like he is right now.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Every team in the NFL, EVERY ONE OF THEM, goes out with their same formula every week. From the passing offense of the Rams to the running offense of the Steelers. It's not about playcalling, it's about execution. And it ALWAYS will be.

Agree.

But think about my question. Did you notice a difference in our offense in the Monday Night game when we fell behind and Parcells had to open it up?

Did you notice a difference in our offense yesterday once we got behind 17-0? We clearly changed from a "ball control" mindset to an "attack" mindset.

 

[Rack]

Go take a nap, your not smart enough to figure this one out. We have a poor Ol, thats not going to change anytime soon, but our playcalling can. I don't care how many people we use to protect Bledsoe. I do care that even my 5 year can tell when we are going to run and pass. If you can't see it, then you should be sleep like he is right now.

So when you get your arse handed to you in a thread you resort to insults?


You? You should WAKE UP and learn a thing or two about the game.

Did you notice a difference in our offense yesterday once we got behind 17-0? We clearly changed from a "ball control" mindset to an "attack" mindset.

And we got 3 points out of it. Not exactly supporting your theory. The other 7 came after the int and we started off at the 5.


Would I LIKE to open it up more? Sure. But I KNOW that with our OL situation, it would not make a difference. If anything, it would hurt us even more.

 

[50cent]

So when you get your arse handed to you in a thread you resort to insults?


You? You should WAKE UP and learn a thing or two about the game.






And we got 3 points out of it. Not exactly supporting your theory. The other 7 came after the int and we started off at the 5.


Would I LIKE to open it up more? Sure. But I KNOW that with our OL situation, it would not make a difference. If anything, it would hurt us even more.

This is your problem. You keep refering to OPENING IT UP. Nobody is advocating that we open it up, just stop being so obvious with every 1st down play being a run. We can't afford to send 4 and 5 guys into routes with Pettiti and Tucker at the helm, but what we can do is max protect like we always do and throw on first down to see if throws the defense off. We have tried that once this season and it worked, why not try it again. Get off you OPEN IT UP chair and come back to reality. You could never hand me my ARSE. But you can learn to comprehend better.

 

[Rack]

Get off you OPEN IT UP chair and come back to reality

I was never on that chair. Never have been. I've been trying to knock people off that chair.



And I hand you your arse at least once a week.


That said, I admit I misinturpreted (sp?) your point. Throwing a bit more on first down would be nice, but it wouldn't magically make our offense good. And it sure wouldn't help the running game. It's not like teams are playing 8 man fronts against us. They're stopping our run with their front 7, for the most part.

 

[50cent]

You what once a week? I hardly post every week to debate with other members.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree Summer. Why would we "come out throwing" when Drew's accuracy appears to increase with the longer passes. Unfortunately, he needs time from the 'O' line to get those types of passes off. Short passes are not his thing as well as throwing on the run. His short passes are well.. short, behind, too high, too low or too hard. I don't know how many short passes he was off on yesterday. Yeah the 'O' line was terrible but Drew had plenty of plays where he could get the ball out of there and they were just off. To put this into perspective, say if KJ had a nice 15 yarder in his hands while facing a good secondary and he dropped it. He would be crucified because we expect him to make those catches. Especially if they are hard to come by. Drew being off on short and screen passes has been happening all year but because his long game was on, all was forgiven and some even ignored this flaw in his game.

We only have one deep threat and 3 other receivers taking up the same space. P. Price must have really sucked because we never sent him deep and if we did, we never went to him. TG is playing great but he is not the type of WR that can take over a game regardless how teams defend him. I will say that I love and respect the effort that TG has given this year but he is no T.O.. Teams know that KJ, Crayton and Witten are not going deep. This creates an advantage for the opposing defense because the LB's and at least one safety can play up on the run while snuffing out our short and intermediate pass plays.

Drew is not THE reason our offense sucks but he is surely doing his part to screw things up. In addition, giving the ball to this guy even more is not the most sensible choice because he is not the best decision maker a lot of the times. Did it ever dawn on some of us that maybe the reason we run so much is because the alternative will ensure sudden death for our team and a rise in INT's and sacks for the opposing defense?

I totally agree, that's why in my last post, I said that Bledsoe too, needed to execute, the whole offense needs to execute better