Can someone tell me why Taco Charlton is an LDE?

[darthseinfeld]

Doesn't Joey Bosa play on the left, Chandler Jones at Sam, and Greg Hardy doesn't play anywhere?

I think they move Bosa around, Jones played right in NE and Hardy doesn't play anywhere because he is a nutcase, not because of ability. And when he played, he played RDE throughout his careee

 

[Vintage]

There Is no reason he couldn't potentially be the RDE. The team says he is going to get his first crack at it, and then go from there. He has the agility to bend, so that isn't much in question.

But ultimately, does it matter? If he generates pressure, does it matter if its from LDE or RDE? Granted, form the LDE, he may face more double teams, but with teams motioning and using more spread formations, I wonder how often teams line up with the TE over the RT as opposed to the LT any more. I am sure its still more frequent, but I don't have the percent breakdown on that (that would be interesting though).

And also, if he is doing it from the LDE spot, the QB will see that better and might avoid a sack or two along the way, but, still, pressure counts.

Not to hung up on where it comes from, so long as it does come.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Cause u can't teach drive motivation and work ethic. He's just like his brother in that regard.

He's the only guy to play with drive motivation and work ethic? Taco doesn't?

 

[waldoputty]

Actually @xwalker just showed stats for a healthy Taco that ran a 1.63 sec 10 yard split.
That would be the same as Myles Garrett while weighing 5 pounds more.
Assuming that is correct, it seems he would be more than quick enough.

 

[Bizwah]

I wanted Watt, still do. I didn't even look at Taco because everyone said he was a LE. I was shocked when I watched him. I see those flashes of explosion, I see the bend.... I just don't see it often. He also seems to get penetration and then miss way to often, I don't know if it's balance or what.. He's got so much possibility, but he's a projection to RE more so than Watt in my opinion. I think durability and ceiling are why they picked him.

Taco played RDE and LDE at Michigan. I think there are so many people on this and many other boards that are short-sighted. I think the folks that called Taco an LDE simply looked at his size and immediately came to that assumption. The same thing was said of Irving. He was 3 tech, or 3-4 DE.

I believe players can play. I even believe Watt would've been able to play RDE here. I didn't like his injury history.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I realize the honey is flowing right now for Taco after the draft. But even if you convinced me that Watt would be slightly out of position at DE in 4-3, I still think he would get more sacks that Taco. But Dallas was looking for complete player and was willing to accept less sacks for durability & probably better against run.

That's a valid point about Watt. I think he could generate a higher sack percentage than Charlton. But being able to hold the edge and play the run better–Charlton by far.

Durability is a big part of it also.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Actually @xwalker just showed stats for a healthy Taco that ran a 1.63 sec 10 yard split.
That would be the same as Myles Garrett while weighing 5 pounds more.
Assuming that is correct, it seems he would be more than quick enough.

That's a valid point... Plus watching Charlton– the guy knows how to use his hands and he has that spin move.

 

[waldoputty]

That's a valid point... Plus watching Charlton– the guy knows how to use his hands and he has that spin move.

I was surprised myself since I wanted Takk originally.
With these numbers, I do not understand why Taco went so late.
It is almost too good to be true.

This is from @xwalker
NFLDS and Bruger's draft guide both had numbers for Taco's 10-yard time at his Pro Day.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=126825&draftyear=2017&genpos=DE

 

[JeffInDC]

Doesn't Joey Bosa play on the left, Chandler Jones at Sam, and Greg Hardy doesn't play anywhere?

Bosa is at LDE. However, Jones was the RDE for Belicheat in NE and Hardy was a RDE in Carolina and Dallas. Also, Derek Barnett and his pedestrian combine numbers is listed as a RDE in Philly.

 

[jobberone]

The FO said he could play SDE, WDE, and inside on occasion. He's not a prototypical edge rusher but has enough talent to pressure on the weak side as a DE. He's very good off the line and has the moves, strength and length to get to the QB from the right. He does NOT have great bend but has a good turn of the corner. He's a half step behind the speed of an elite rusher. He has a Reggie White like bump. I haven't seen enough to comment on his swim but his bull rush is good. He is developing a spin.

He has the length and size to play the LDE to go with the above.

He should be able to rush from the 5 as well as 7 against some tackles.

 

[CyberB0b]

The agility numbers show a player with comparable agility scores to Joey Bosa, Chandler Jones and Greg Hardy. The tap shows a getting off the ball and around the corner playing most of the season with a high ankle sprain.

Its seems a common belief around here that he is an LDE only. Can someone explain?

There's plenty of guys like him in the league that have played RDE. Simeon Rice was around the same size.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Because he doesn't run fast in a straight long line apparently.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right now he is probably LDE but if he experiences type of growth Justin Tuck had when he came into the league it probably won't matter where Taco plays because he will be disruptive.

What cottage industry scouts and Bryan Broaddus says is inconsequential. Frankly, after hearing Broaddus' takes on Bosa, he doesn't evaluate DE well at all.

The front office and coaches of the team says he starts at right end. He is a RDE now.

 

[Kaiser]

I was surprised myself since I wanted Takk originally.
With these numbers, I do not understand why Taco went so late.
It is almost too good to be true.

Same here, I wanted McKinley but I'm thinking Carlton will be a better player over the long run.

Also I don't know where Taco plays in the long run but he ends up as a LDE that consistently puts up double digit sack totals, the league doesn't have that many guys like that. Put a healthy DLaw at RDE and you have a defense that is vastly different than what we had the last couple of years.

 

[coult44]

I don't get the infatuation with TJ Watt when you run a 4-3. He went to the best situation for him. A 3-4 team.

The infatuation is because of two letters, JJ. I'll go on record and tell everyone TJ will be Less than half of the star his brother has been.

 

[waldoputty]

Same here, I wanted McKinley but I'm thinking Carlton will be a better player over the long run.

Also I don't know where Taco plays in the long run but he ends up as a LDE that consistently puts up double digit sack totals, the league doesn't have that many guys like that. Put a healthy DLaw at RDE and you have a defense that is vastly different than what we had the last couple of years.

i really hope taco can play RDE.
i dont have much hope in dlaw after the 2nd back surgery.
hopefully tapper can stay healthy with his back condition.
we may not have a daddy, but it is better than last year (not saying much).
the way i see the rotation:
rde: taco/mayowa/tapper (if he stays healthy)
3tech: collins/tcrawford
1tech: thornton/paea
lde: irving/dlaw/moore (if he does not go crazy)

 

[Beast_from_East]

What cottage industry scouts and Bryan Broaddus says is inconsequential. Frankly, after hearing Broaddus' takes on Bosa, he doesn't evaluate DE well at all.

The front office and coaches of the team says he starts at right end. He is a RDE now.

Yea, I don't think anybody should be taking what Broaddus says as gospel.

Broaddus said that Bosa was basically a JAG.................kinda hard to have any credibility left after that.

 

[Verdict]

Many scouts feel he is an RDE too. He should be able to play either. But he has all the traits teams look for in an RDE. Ive seen alot of empty " He is an LDE" stuff going around with no basis or backing

Just because you disagree doesn't make you correct. I really think he is more ideally a left defensive end personally. I hope he makes the grade as a right defensive end, because they are harder to find, but I am at least a little bit skeptical.

 

[T-RO]

Cause u can't teach drive motivation and work ethic. He's just like his brother in that regard.

It's a lot more than just effort. Watt has 37" vertical, 4.69 40....outstanding broad jump and 3-cone. He's quick and fast and relentless. And I think his frame will easily permit 25-30 more pounds.

But the Cowboys have been drafting smart lately so we'll see. Maybe Taco will be another Terrell Suggs type player and I'd be delighted with that.

 

[Tabascocat]

The infatuation is because of two letters, JJ. I'll go on record and tell everyone TJ will be Less than half of the star his brother has been.

And be on the field about as much as him too