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MarionBarberThe4th

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Nope. I expect the Cowboys to provide Dak with more speed, size and better route running at the WR position. I also expect them to revise the passing game scheme.
Does he need more than the franchises best WR and rb of all time? And a hall of fame tight end? And three pro bowl linemen?
 

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It's true though....
What's more likely?

1. Goodell wants the most popular team in the NFL to fail?

or

2. Jerry Jones' leadership, the one common factor in 22 years where NFL parity has occurred, is holding this team back?
 

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We're a mediocre team, not an abysmal one and certainly not a championship one.

This team has poor depth and they are top heavy in talent. We also have a coaching staff that cant adjust.

THAT being said I believe in a relatively healthy season this team is capable of being a very good team. Championship one? Not close in my opinion. And certainly not enough talent to overcome the coaching handicap.
 

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We would be pushing no less than 10-6 right now had Zeke not suffered 6 games. I firmly believe that. Hence my thoughts around us not being as bad as we think we are. Several things need fixing. No doubt. . But give me a Zeke & Dak together all season and we are at least 10-5 right now.
 

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Does he need more than the franchises best WR and rb of all time? And a hall of fame tight end? And three pro bowl linemen?

Dak feel off dramatically for sure this year.

1. Dez is barely the best WR on the current team, forget about the best on any Cowboy team.
2. Zeke is great so far, but let's not get the bust ready yet.
3. Jason is a hall of famer, but not the last two years. His blocking has dropped significantly, and that's what everyone keeps pointing to as why we can't replace him with another pass receiving TE.
 

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I find it funny that the same coaches that went 13-3 with a Rookie QB all of sudden forgot how to coach this year. I hear about this old offense and how that is the problem, and maybe it is. What I do know is that when they have gotten competent play from the QB, this old scheme is productive, when we get crappy QB play, this scheme is not effective. So fix the QB situation and they will win games again. Leave it alone and then I agree, we are very average to below average team. Just like any other team in the NFL, when you don't have at least a decent QB, you aren't going to win a lot of games. Unless Dak can improve a tremendous amount, we will be stuck at average seasons regardless of who the coach is. When a QB can't consistently throw even a 5 yard pass accurately, not much in terms of scheme going to help that.
 

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Let this sink in....we were 5-4 w/ Zeke. And in 4 out of the 5 wins....those games could have gone either way.

We are a poorly coached team. And a poorly run organization...from head to toe. Jerry cares about one thing. And that's making money.

90.00 for a pair of sweats....52.00 for a double shot of crown and coke tell me so. And the booze is watered down...and not even full shots.:rolleyes:
When you say crown is that Crown Royal Canadian whiskey? $52 for a double?
 

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Dak feel off dramatically for sure this year.

1. Dez is barely the best WR on the current team, forget about the best on any Cowboy team.
2. Zeke is great so far, but let's not get the bust ready yet.
3. Jason is a hall of famer, but not the last two years. His blocking has dropped significantly, and that's what everyone keeps pointing to as why we can't replace him with another pass receiving TE.
1. Funny how he was automatic with romo tho. Maybe he needs the ball throw TO him and not at his general vicinity? Who is dak making better the way romo made people better?
2. What more do you need to see? He’s one of the best talents at the position of all time. He’s easily in the AD / marshal Faulk / Tomlinson level

3. Well yea. But it helped my point to call him a hall of famer
 

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We would be pushing no less than 10-6 right now had Zeke not suffered 6 games. I firmly believe that. Hence my thoughts around us not being as bad as we think we are. Several things need fixing. No doubt. . But give me a Zeke & Dak together all season and we are at least 10-5 right now.

Even with Zeke, we still didnt beat a winning team other than KC. That is a problem.
 

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I find it funny that the same coaches that went 13-3 with a Rookie QB all of sudden forgot how to coach this year. I hear about this old offense and how that is the problem, and maybe it is. What I do know is that when they have gotten competent play from the QB, this old scheme is productive, when we get crappy QB play, this scheme is not effective. So fix the QB situation and they will win games again. Leave it alone and then I agree, we are very average to below average team. Just like any other team in the NFL, when you don't have at least a decent QB, you aren't going to win a lot of games. Unless Dak can improve a tremendous amount, we will be stuck at average seasons regardless of who the coach is. When a QB can't consistently throw even a 5 yard pass accurately, not much in terms of scheme going to help that.

Garrett didnt forget how to coach, he was just never very good to begin with. This team obviously goes as the available talent goes. Garrett seems unable to coach them up above what the available talent level allows for.
 

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Garrett didnt forget how to coach, he was just never very good to begin with. This team obviously goes as the available talent goes. Garrett seems unable to coach them up above what the available talent level allows for.
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1. Funny how he was automatic with romo tho. Maybe he needs the ball throw TO him and not at his general vicinity? Who is dak making better the way romo made people better?
2. What more do you need to see? He’s one of the best talents at the position of all time. He’s easily in the AD / marshal Faulk / Tomlinson level

3. Well yea. But it helped my point to call him a hall of famer

Dak had no problems last year moving the offense and tearing it up with Dez out of the lineup for half the year. And it surely helps to have the best Oline in football and the best run game allowing for plenty of time to throw. QB play is not rocket science. The play of the QB typically mirrors that of the talent around him. Unless you are one of the elite few QB's in the NFL. 2016 and 2017 is a text book example of that with Dak. Romo was not prone to this factor either.
 

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1. Funny how he was automatic with romo tho. Maybe he needs the ball throw TO him and not at his general vicinity? Who is dak making better the way romo made people better?
2. What more do you need to see? He’s one of the best talents at the position of all time. He’s easily in the AD / marshal Faulk / Tomlinson level

3. Well yea. But it helped my point to call him a hall of famer

Dak isn't making anyone better. Dez was better before injuries seemed to affect him. But yes, with the right QB, he'd be fine as a #1. But Mike was better at the big play at the big time.

Like I said, Zeke is great. Potentially all time get. But 24 games isn't enough to say he's better than Emmitt, or even Tony D. Yet. He could become that, but not quite yet.

Love Wit, and he's still very good.
 

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Had we had Zeke for the entire season and not had to deal with the distraction of his suspension hanging over our heads through the first half of the season, we likely would have won 11 games. We were playing our best football of the season riding a 3 game winning streak when his suspension finally came down. His loss seem to take the wind right out of us leading to three straight blowout losses. It’s almost like we gave up. Dak was playing solid until Zeke was suspended. He had 3 straight games with 3 TD passes. Our backs only accounted for 65 yards rushing against Atlanta which put the game on Dak’s shoulders.

We could have won that game with a big day from Zeke and the loss of Tyron wouldn’t of been as big an issue if we could have run the ball better. The season was lost during that three game slide. Blowing the Rams game early in the season came back to haunt us. We blew several halftime leads. We weren’t that far away from having a real good season but the lack of solid coaching really reared it’s ugly head this year. We still have a chance to have a winning season so it hasn’t been a terrible year but it certainly hasn’t come close to living up to the high expectations many had for the team after last year’s performance.
 
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Yep offensive scheme that doesn't put Square pegs in round holes and isn't so obvious defenses are calling out the plays.

I mean teams may have studied Zeke n Dak but mainly we just morph the offense back to the 2015 offense which was run at the middle of the defensive line and wait for short passes to open up unfortunately teams can stop that I mean we had bad quarterbacks in 2015 for sure but not that bad
And when he finally got moore in there he added some routes that weren't there before more came in some Fades out of the slot and they caught defense is off guard.
So yeah give me a guy that'll move Dak around
Keep feeding the ball to Zeke inside and especially outside where nobody could stop him this year but yet we never stuck with it
And I'm voice texting as usual on my phone so if this message sucks I'm too lazy to correct everything use your detective skills


Most people want an OC that "moves Dak around" but if that happens, our offense will be even worse than it is now.

By doing that, you cut the field in half and make the defenders job much easier .

There's a reason why NFL teams have their QB's sit in the pocket...

This league has figured out all the gimmicks.

If Dak can't learn to sit in the pocket and make throws, he's as good as done in this league.
 
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