Can we all agree QB play Makes WRS

[mahoneybill]

I was just looking at wide outs stats for the 2017 season, when I say wide outs I'm not including slot wrs.

1. Jarvis Landry 112 987 SLOT
2. Fitz 109 1156 SLOT
3. Michael Thomas 104 1245 wide out Drew Brees
4. Keenan Allen 102 1393 wide out Phillip Rivers
5. Antonio Brown 101 1533 wide out Big Ben
6. DeAndre Hop 96 1378 wide out Bad QBing after Watson, outstanding stats
7. Golden Tate 92 1003 SLOT
8. Theilen 91 1276 wide out Case Keenum great year
9. Julio 88 1444 wide out Matt Ryan

11. D. Thomas 83 949 wide out Bad QBing lots of catches no yardage
16. D. Baldwin 75 991 SLOT
16. AJ Green 75 1078 wide out Better than Dez mediocre to poor QBing
16. Tyreek Hill 75 1183 SLOT

23. Mike Evans 71 1001 wide out Bad QBing, better than Dez, better than stats
24. Dez Bryant 69 838 wide out Bad QBing, from inexperienced qb.


FACTS:

1. Dez had a bad year with the drops
2. Dak is not comfortabe throwing to his outside receivers yet.
3. Dez still demands double coverage or safety help, contrary to what some say on this site.
4. Dez had 1 fumble last year. (contrary to the "always fumbling crowd").
5. Dak had trouble reading defenses last year. i.e. wr settling in a zone while he's throwing it like wr is in man .

OPINION:

4. The top wide outs on this list all have good to great qb play, with exception of Hopkins (bad), AJ, and Evans (mediocre) whom everyone agrees are better than Dez but their QB play is also better or at least equal to Dak.
5. If the QB play is going to be like it was this year then we can't pay Dez 16mil because he's not going to be worth it. Does that say more about Dez or Dak though?
6. The coaching staff is the biggest culprit in all this because they didn't have a plan B for Dak, they just came back and tried to do what they did last year and when defenses took away what he likes to do, JG and staff had no answers.
7. T.O. said it, Bryce Butler said it, Dez said it, this offense does not put it's player in a position to succeed. Look at the Patriots and Eagles last weekend. Pick pays pick plays pick plays, crossing routes their schemes won those games our scheme looses games.

NEXT SEASON:

We need new a scheme or new plays, pick routes, rub routes, crossing routes and attempt to attack deep.

Dez needs to be focused (if he's still here).

Dak doesn't need to go back to his rookie year form, he needs to be better. That rookie year is gone, he's not going to sneak up on anyone, he's going to have to put on his big boy pants and throw into NFL windows.

Nice summary. Agree on the routes . Also think , especially with Brady his line gives him great protection so he can pick which receiver to go to.

 

[birdwells1]

That's what you picked out of all of that? wow.
Miked up? That's what you're going by? Lmao....

Yes Miked Up, everyone was killing Dez back then but when the video came out they had to shut their ***** up. Lol

 

[birdwells1]

Nice summary. Agree on the routes . Also think , especially with Brady his line gives him great protection so he can pick which receiver to go to.

Brady knows who he's going to presnap mostly but does make adjustments after the snap. Dak may get there one day he just not there yet.

 

[birdwells1]

I won't fault a player for injuries. I just can't do it. The game is too violent. Some players avoid serious injuries and I think a lot of that is based on luck. Dez also plays a lot more violent style of football than a lot of WRs do. It can help contribute to injuries but it leads to those extra inches and TDs that are vital to the game. It's a catch 22, to be honest.

Absolutely, fans want players to fight hard when they get the ball but when they get hurt doing so now it's his fault because he's injured. You're damned if you do or damned if you don't.

 

[mahoneybill]

And Dak is supposed to throw him open too, right? Dez was never a speedy deep threat. His skill set is limited to the jump ball and run after the catch. That's if he catches it and doesn't give a TD away for fumbling. (I know, it was only once).
Also, are there QBs who are more accurate throwing deep than they are short? Dak will come around. And maybe they both need time to adjust.

Romo had the same deep ball knock. Fact is we don’t stretch the defense. Philly figured out the vikes are excellent in 3 rd down and short yardage so what did they do. Bombs away....

As you may recall Jimmy J and Norv would do this also. I can remember several games where Irvin would catch a deep one and then Emmitt would pound it in

 

[birdwells1]

Semantics.... Fun fun fun...

Semantics? You stated that in Romo's first year he had a young Dez.
I said that Dez was in high school, that's not semantics it's just wrong.

Like you sig says "bye Felicia".

 

[G2]

Romo had the same deep ball knock. Fact is we don’t stretch the defense. Philly figured out the vikes are excellent in 3 rd down and short yardage so what did they do. Bombs away....

That's true, he did. I think fans think it's like play ground and 8 WRs run to the end zone every play. But we haven't really had a WR with all the tools to run deep routes on a consistent basis. Dak has the arm.

 

[Bleu Star]

Semantics? You stated that in Romo's first year he had a young Dez.
I said that Dez was in high school, that's not semantics it's just wrong.

Like you sig says "bye Felicia".

Let me be more general for you.

Romo threw to a young talented dominant Dez Bryant.

Dak throws to an aging lazy financially content emotional malcontent who leads no one. Sad to see a veteran that requires a pacifier.

 

[skinsscalper]

That's true, he did. I think fans think it's like play ground and 8 WRs run to the end zone every play. But we haven't really had a WR with all the tools to run deep routes on a consistent basis. Dak has the arm.

He has arm strength. He's woefully lacking in consistency and, more importantly, accuracy.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm sure you pop a bag of microwave popcorn and pull it with half of the kernels popped too. Super efficient.

Nope microwaves are bad for you

 

[mahoneybill]

That's true, he did. I think fans think it's like play ground and 8 WRs run to the end zone every play. But we haven't really had a WR with all the tools to run deep routes on a consistent basis. Dak has the arm.

Agree. He certainly can cover the distance . His arm strength off balance on those roll outs shows that. I think he’s just overly cautious Re turnovers and this year with the o line changes was under more pressure resulting in his hurrying throws he normally wouldn’t make

 

[G2]

He has arm strength. He's woefully lacking in consistency and, more importantly, accuracy.

This season, no doubt about it. While I don't think it's as bad as some suggest he clearly had footwork issues under pressure. And I'm not blaming it on the pressure, he has to get better regardless of having a clean pocket vs. not.

 

[birdwells1]

Let me be more general for you.

Romo threw to a young talented dominant Dez Bryant.

Dak throws to an aging lazy financially content emotional malcontent who leads no one. Sad to see a veteran that requires a pacifier.

No you said in Romos first 2 years.
Dez got the opportunity to play with a top level passer and you saw what happened.

 

[G2]

Agree. He certainly can cover the distance . His arm strength off balance on those roll outs shows that. I think he’s just overly cautious Re turnovers and this year with the o line changes was under more pressure resulting in his hurrying throws he normally wouldn’t make

Yeah, I said it before you could see his footwork was off under pressure essentially hindering the throwing motion and accuracy. O line and RB pass block break down isn't an excuse it's a part of the problem. You don't throw out his rookie season when everything was working and you don't throw away this past season because the entire offense (players & staff) underachieved. Next season we'll see how things improve. A lot of staff changes though.

 

[CowboyRoy]

On pace, but it didn’t happen.. meaning an imaginary world..

He was already throwing more INTs during that brief stretch which supposedly mimicked 2016 than that whole 2016 season..

Dont be a hater buddy. For 24 games a rookie no less and 2nd year he was as steady as can be. Stats were nearly identical. He was heading for a BETTER season. The Denver game was the ONLY outlier there and thats where he had two picks. And even at 8 picks on the year, that is still great.

Now in YOUR imaginary world, nothing changed. Dak simply went south. Might be the dumbest analysis I have EVER heard of when talking about a QB.

If Zeke AND Smith dont go down are you telling me that Dak and the offense still go south? After 24 games of continuity?

Your theory is very very weak. Your a Romo cry baby and a Dak hater. Just admit it and lets move on. Dak is a great young QB and he will be here for many many years. You might as well warm up to it. Romo isnt coming back and we dont need him back.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Was on pace, what he got hurt or something?

Are you a fool?

 

[G2]

Dont be a hater buddy. For 24 games a rookie no less and 2nd year he was as steady as can be. Stats were nearly identical. He was heading for a BETTER season. The Denver game was the ONLY outlier there and thats where he had two picks. And even at 8 picks on the year, that is still great.

Now in YOUR imaginary world, nothing changed. Dak simply went south. Might be the dumbest analysis I have EVER heard of when talking about a QB.

If Zeke AND Smith dont go down are you telling me that Dak and the offense still go south? After 24 games of continuity?

Your theory is very very weak. Your a Romo cry baby and a Dak hater. Just admit it and lets move on. Dak is a great young QB and he will be here for many many years. You might as well warm up to it. Romo isnt coming back and we dont need him back.

And Dak can take some hits.

 

[birdwells1]

Are you a fool?

Can't we debate without name calling?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Can't we debate without name calling?

If you want to debate then say something intelligent or insightful. Are you claiming you have absolutely no idea the changes that happened immediately after the 8th game of the season when the problems for the offense miraculously began?

 

[G2]

If you want to debate then say something intelligent or insightful. Are you claiming you have absolutely no idea the changes that happened immediately after the 8th game of the season when the problems for the offense miraculously began?

That doesn't fit the narrative. Dak sucks and it's been really, really hard getting over Romo.