Can we all agree that Dak is at least a decent QB?

CowboyFrog

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simple explanation, if you were a dak lover and some dak haters keep slandering you, the dak lovers would come to your defense. They are dak over anybody and the team. sad but true
lets face it crash are you or not here to discuss who the backup tightend might be... or are you here to discuss Dak lover/hater? for sure there are fans on this forum who defend Dak too much BUT there are also fans here that are truly not here to discuss the next Cowboys SB..right? Some people want to watch the world burn some want the world to never change and then there are those that seem to understand the world wil change and not burn and its what you adjust to that makes your point good or bad. Not sayig any is wrong just saying its a truth.
 

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I’ve always been a fan of Dak. This last playoff loss has definitely made lose faith in his ability. We should never have anointed him the undisputed starting quarterback. We should always be trying to find the next quarterback of the future. Dak should never have felt he was the starter no matter what. He should feel like someone will take his spot if he doesn’t perform. However, I do feel Kellen Moore did him no favors. Dak is good enough if the offense plays to his strengths and avoids his weaknesses.
 

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I’ve always been a fan of Dak. This last playoff loss has definitely made lose faith in his ability. We should never have anointed him the undisputed starting quarterback. We should always be trying to find the next quarterback of the future. Dak should never have felt he was the starter no matter what. He should feel like someone will take his spot if he doesn’t perform. However, I do feel Kellen Moore did him no favors. Dak is good enough if the offense plays to his strengths and avoids his weaknesses.
No doubt we have seen him be good enough, NO he is not an elite talent like Mahomes...again anyone preying on these players dont understand...Jerry wants you to say it was him that won it, thats the problem..not the HC not the QB not the defense...he wants you to say "Thank you Jerry for winning a SB" and every other person involved needs to take a back seat..thats the problem.
 

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The Dak haters and Dak stans have their talking points, but what it seems to boil down too is this: Dak is an excellent regular season QB that simply fails in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less. It is his track record. Not winning enough in the playoff’s doesn’t mean he sucks. It means that he isn’t good enough when the stakes at highest. He is our Kirk Cousins.

Although I have supported Dak in the past, perhaps it’s time to move away from “good but not good enough.” But in reality, I see no options for this year other than stay the course and hope. I‘d like to see us draft a QB next year.
Well, you started a thread that immediately devolved into the usual spatting. I hope this has cured you of starting Dak threads.
 

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Dak’s stats were built on MOORE’s play-calling. This is more than obvious by watching him throw to his early reads from the go.

When the game slows down and defenses make him go down the list of WRs, one begins to see how limited he is.

Anybody that references 2016 as a “return” to the offense Dak was successful in, I question their ability to evaluate QB play. 2016 did happen again in 2017. Defenses realized they just needed to sit on Beasley’s out routes. Defenses “figured out”
the simplified offense Linehan had in place for Dak, that was predicated on a all pro OL and dominant run game. It was like RG3 and the Commanders in year 1 of his career, the difference is defenses still couldn’t stop that dominant blocking and run game in 2016.

Defenses can key on Dak, because he’s limited. He can’t throw consistently from under center on a traditional dropback, so teams know it’s either a run or generally a quick pass off a quick drop. Meaning when he is in shotgun, it’s more often than not he’s throwing.
 

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oh a thread arguing about Dak

*Puts dirty underwear back on george foreman grill and presses down*

yep....
 

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Once again, what weapons?
The compromise is, especially now we're rid of MM and we've free'd up CAP space.... We improve at WR, maybe draft a catching TE or another WR in the draft .....bring back the same O-Line and it's All or Nothing.
1) If Dak wins it all - Daddy of all contracts and he's anointed King of the Star.
2) OK, or lost due to factors beyond his control (but showed composure under stress), he gets to stay for a final prove it in 2024, with money shoved back into '25/and '26.
3) Failure, we move on...Post June cut, save $34m and work around a serviceable cheap vet for a year or so whilst we use our much vaunted draft team to find a QB (maybe another 4th Rd or undrained type).
Give Dak the weapons so we can stop this endless merry-go-round of blame once and for all
 

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Well, you started a thread that immediately devolved into the usual spatting. I hope this has cured you of starting Dak threads.
Hey, went back and read the TOS for Cowboys Zone. It says that we must have at least three long Dak threads every week. I was simply doing my part.
 

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As we know, Dak's current con was signed before the 2021 season. I had no problem with the contract at that time, for two reasons:

1. $40 mil a year (just talking average per year, to simplify) in 2-3 years after that wouldn't be top dollar, and it's not now, 6 qbs get paid more, and it will only be more so by the time his contract is done
2. He was still young enough that improvement was possible, i.e. like Payton Manning taking 6 years to win his first playoff game, but then won a SB (not counting the second one, he had a very poor year/SB game, the defense won that SB), sometimes is takes a qb longer to get to their top performance level than others.

But now here we are, two years removed from the contract. Only 1 playoff win, one major and one moderate injury, not to mention the weird "shoulder" problem, which didn't result in any missed games but reduced his readiness for the season.

Things can change quickly in the NFL, and in Dak's case they have. Some of his failure to improve wasn't his fault, like losing Frederick, who could have foreseen Gillian-Barre syndrome, and Freddy's retirement even though he returned to be a very good center? And other things.

But the end result is the same, we have a qb that never developed further past 2020, with a contract the team can't get out of without major cap problems for at least another year.

So, yes, the Dak era should come to an end, but until it can/does, while I will criticize where needed, I'm not going to rag on him on a daily basis, after all he IS our quarterback, and I'll support him where I can....
 

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compared to who? can you give me a list please. this should be good from an ABD crowd memeber. So Herbert is less than average (just trying to help you out )
There is not a single GM on this planet, including Jerry and Stephen that would take Dak over Herbert. And anybody suggesting it would be placed in an insane asylum. Even Dak and Tad would take Dak over Herbert.
 

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The Dak haters and Dak stans have their talking points, but what it seems to boil down too is this: Dak is an excellent regular season QB that simply fails in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less. It is his track record. Not winning enough in the playoff’s doesn’t mean he sucks. It means that he isn’t good enough when the stakes at highest. He is our Kirk Cousins.

Although I have supported Dak in the past, perhaps it’s time to move away from “good but not good enough.” But in reality, I see no options for this year other than stay the course and hope. I‘d like to see us draft a QB next year.
decent? hes top 10 qb without one losing season, been to the playoffs 4 of his 6 healthy seasons, top 5 in wins since 16, roty, his 166 tds 26 rushing tds and 65 ints are better after 97 games then Pmanning and manning did not win his first sb until after 97 games like his 8th year in the league. What if the colts gave up on Peyton because he couldn't get them to a SB fast enough at 2-4 playoff record, odd same as Dak?? he would have won won elsewhere be what as he did in Denver but still, he would have won..

too many alleged fans who are simply dak haters call him average those stats above are nowhere near average. so Dak not elite but the fan base doesn't have middle ground hes not an all-time great get rid of him hes trash he sux.. that an odd career resume to be called trash..

SBS are team stat winning the big games in the playoff takes a team effort , can t have the defense give up 300yards on the ground or let Roger's beat them on the last drive of a game or have 14pentlies, or no run game or have mental mistakes by handful of payers. thats the knock on the team, not Dak.. hes not one man show nor are many..

Tryo without 22 would never have had the same sucess.es22 hold out they go 0-2 odd no run game is common them on most of the playoff games with the OL not being physical and have far too many penalties or bad plays.

ther aremtn many qbs that can single handiudly win by himself the entire games agntrh etop team,s you face in thge payoffs. yes fans think dump dak becioauwe hey its giarbntee the next qb is lock to be beter..seriously what have you been watching, i see 20 teams who have struggles to find a qb even on daks level..

somehow QBS with names like McMahon, Foles, Dilfer, Flacco, eli, can win sbs and others like kap, goff, Ryan, and Garoppolo got there many others who for sure are not better then dak as good or worse comes to mind but their teams were loaded had great coaches etc etc Stafford win a sb in a year where he leads the league in INTs with 17 also threw 2 in that very SB yet somehow that Team got his back and they won. our team well they don't do that..yet Dak romo the QBs get the blame.

heck the same thing for many SB teams look at the last SB first half eagles were beating the chiefs up by 2 scores with both playing their game, 2nd half the chiefs stop the run , bring out a 4 headed run game and just take over the game OL no sacks given up etc etc THE RN game and play calls literally changed that game.

we have not had our team and coaches play as team at their best complimentary football in the big games. some was coaching others players have payers just have bad games. that last 49er games was daks first game he made that type of mistake etc but they still were in the game maybe RUN GAME , OL, a player outside CD making a play , better play calls i mean 16 run calls no malik after pollard went down, i mean where was the TEAM support?

i mean instead if support, we have Schultz making 2 key mental mistakes on the same last drive, we have Gallup getting knocked off his route with no effort to go back to get that ball maybe break it up instead he stands there and watches it get picked off, we have Diggs not make 2 key plays that could have changed the game and back to wheres the run game and OL?

we haven't brought solid run game to the last 3 playoff losses.. OL, run game, and defense plus penalties and coaching this is what i see as big issues.. So daks not special or elite, he for sure is top 10 and very good.that more than many teams have or have ever had.
 

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Don’t know of anyone else that does it. I guess we were raised differently.
You are so full of crap.

Anyone who has been here for a minute and does not have you on ignore knows you are retired Marine. Now how would any of us know that? You draw some imaginary line between acceptable and unacceptable which coincidentally allows you to draw attention to yourself but criticize another for doing the same.

You never miss an opportunity to insert you service history. In my recollection you actually talk more about your history than USAV does about his. Somehow he is wrong for his avatar but your posturing is just fine.

Everywhere I go I see hats, shirts, tattoos, window stickers, etc displayed by veterans proud of their service. Do you make it a point to get in the faces of those folks? Do yet get their position on Dak before you decide if they deserver respect or scorn?

You really are something else Rocky.... lol
Thank you and all other Vets for your service.
 

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You are so full of crap.

Anyone who has been here for a minute and does not have you on ignore knows you are retired Marine. Now how would any of us know that? You draw some imaginary line between acceptable and unacceptable which coincidentally allows you to draw attention to yourself but criticize another for doing the same.

You never miss an opportunity to insert you service history. In my recollection you actually talk more about your history than USAV does about his. Somehow he is wrong for his avatar but your posturing is just fine.

Everywhere I go I see hats, shirts, tattoos, window stickers, etc displayed by veterans proud of their service. Do you make it a point to get in the faces of those folks? Do yet get their position on Dak before you decide if they deserver respect or scorn?

You really are something else Rocky.... lol
Thank you and all other Vets for your service.

Rocky is just a bitter low self esteem person mad at anyone that does not worship the QB (forgot his name). You can try and be nice to him but to no avail because that is in his nature to be grumpy all the time. I feel sorry for him and wish he could or would get some professional help.
 

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You are so full of crap.

Anyone who has been here for a minute and does not have you on ignore knows you are retired Marine. Now how would any of us know that? You draw some imaginary line between acceptable and unacceptable which coincidentally allows you to draw attention to yourself but criticize another for doing the same.

You never miss an opportunity to insert you service history. In my recollection you actually talk more about your history than USAV does about his. Somehow he is wrong for his avatar but your posturing is just fine.

Everywhere I go I see hats, shirts, tattoos, window stickers, etc displayed by veterans proud of their service. Do you make it a point to get in the faces of those folks? Do yet get their position on Dak before you decide if they deserver respect or scorn?

You really are something else Rocky.... lol
Thank you and all other Vets for your service.
You’re full of crap. I rarely ever talk about it so go pound sand.
 
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