Can't wait to pay Zeke

[Nightman]

Gurley got $45M in guaranteed money. Stephen has already conceded that Gurley's deal will be the starting point for negotiations. A contract that pays $25M in guaranteed money is probably not realistic in the circumstances.

At any rate, we'd be taking a dead money hit of $10M for years 4 and 5 (likely $5M per year, assuming he became a June 1 cut), if we don't exercise our options past year 3. That should be factored into any analysis of whether the 5-year extension really would pay Zeke less than going year to year for the next 3 years. What we all care about is the cap charge. Pushing it off into future years (when you no longer have the player) isn't really saving you the cap charge. It's merely deferring the cap charge.

Dead Money is smart business......period

 

[Nightman]

Gurley got $45M in guaranteed money. Stephen has already conceded that Gurley's deal will be the starting point for negotiations. A contract that pays $25M in guaranteed money is probably not realistic in the circumstances.

Those are staggered guarantees

He didn't get 45m fully guaranteed on signing .....it is spread over several years

It was 22m fully gtd at signing..... so my scenario would be an increase

 

[conner01]

If you plan on keeping Zeke more than 5 years you would be better off paying him now than later for more than one reason.

I would either sign him now for 5 with an option for 6th
Or I’d let him play out
I don’t want any serious obligations past 28 years old myself

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That’s all true if it were in fact “easy” to find RB’s as good as Zeke.

But since it isn’t easy, that makes your argument wrong.

Odd how the two Super Bowl teams from last season has running backs drafted in the first round.

But yes, it’s super “easy” to find top notch running backs.

And if you think our running without Zeke is as effective as with him, you clearly don’t watch the games or have any clue about how his presence impacts an opposing defense.

I didn't say it was ready to find a rb as good as Zeke What is way to do is get his production cheaply.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

They sold out to stop Zeke, we could not take advantage of the passing game I guess it is easiest to just see Zeke as the issue. Your argument only works if you believe our passing game was nominal. I have watched cowboys backs since Dan Reeves, and Zeke stands near the top IMO.

This is not true. Zeke has faced a stacked box a league average amount of time..

Stop repeating an obvious untruth.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

the data of RB with big workloads if you bother to look it was injuries that took it toll. Emmitt Smith took on a big work load yet through out his career did not sustain many injuries on the flip side looking at other RB with big workloads it was a rash of injuries that took it toll. I don't think Dallas is over working Zeke and as long as he can avoid injuries I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.

The Cowboys are not overworking Zeke is something someone said seriously is amazing.

 

[Future]

They committed to his second contract the second they drafted him #4 overall.

There's no reason to even talk about it.

 

[Future]

This is not true. Zeke has faced a stacked box a league average amount of time..

Stop repeating an obvious untruth.

False. He faced an 8-man box about the same...but the Cowboys ran out of 11 personnel a lot. When they do that, a 7-man box has the same effect as an 8-man. He ran out of negative alignments constantly.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Cowboys are not overworking Zeke is something someone said seriously is amazing.

I don't think he is being over worked, I think they give him a load he can handle, that may change over time but right now he is in great shape has not endured any serious injury. Right now he avgs 21 carries a game, Emmitt was taking on a bigger load at the same point of their careers with 22 carries a game

 

[Sarge]

That’s including the 600 receiving yards but not the extra 4 TDS.


So 1300 yards 21 TDS in 14 games.
Not worth the money?

Gurley is worth the money because the coaching staff knows how to take FULL advantage of his skill set. Do we have that in this coaching staff?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Those are staggered guarantees

He didn't get 45m fully guaranteed on signing .....it is spread over several years

It was 22m fully gtd at signing..... so my scenario would be an increase

Do you think Zeke’s team could be sold that it is an increase?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Dead Money is smart business......period

It’s not a matter ‘business’ at all. Dead money gets paid out before it gets charged against the cap. There’s no sense in which deferring the cap charge defers the actual payment (such that you can benefit from the time value of money).

Dead money may be smart cap management in some instances (depends on the precise circumstances) but it’s neither smart business nor stupid business. It’s a non-factor from a business perspective.

 

[vlad]

Cooper and Zeke have overwhelming support for big extensions while the more important Lawrence does not)?

That one is a complete head-scratcher.

 

[beware_d-ware]

That one is a complete head-scratcher.

People just see the $100M figure for Lawrence and lose their minds.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Goff doesn't run the ball near the goal line. Once we get near the goal line with a chance to score Dak likes to keep the ball and use Zeke as a decoy. That takes away more TDs from Zeke. But as long as we score TDs I don't care who scores them, I just wish Dak would tuck it and run on other parts of the field instead of going backwards and taking sacks.

Zeke isn't ripping off long TD runs either. Gurley on the other hand does

 

[DasSchnitzel]

That’s including the 600 receiving yards but not the extra 4 TDS.


So 1300 yards 21 TDS in 14 games.
Not worth the money?

This isn't right either, he did better.

Last year Gurley played 14 games. He had 1251 rushing yards and 17 rushing TDs. In addition, he added 580 receiving yards and 4 receiving TDs on 59 receptions. In total, 21 TDs, 1831 yards from scrimmage.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GurlTo01.htm

That contribution cost 7.2M against the cap last year. I'd certainly take that. But the problem isn't 2018, it's moving forward into the future. Gurley's dead money will be almost 2x as high or more as the cap savings gained by cutting him until 2022. Until then, his cap hit will range from 13.2M to 17.2M.

https://overthecap.com/player/todd-gurley/3858/

Even if he keeps up his 2018 production, that cap hit is a bitter pill to swallow. Statistics say this is unlikely as he ages, but I think there's a class of RB that can overcome this trend and Gurley is in that class. Zeke is too, in my opinion.

All things considered I view it as a bit of a gamble but not altogether unwise. I dont think LA will be happy with the contract in 4 years but I dont think they'll hate it and view it as an anchor, either. It'll just be somewhat rich for their preference. The expanding cap ceiling will help soften the blow.

I think the Zeke contract is going to work out about the same. I'll take it. Dallas will probably do a better job than LA did of formulating a team friendly deal with how the money is structured. They usually have this last handful of years.

 

[Nightman]

Do you think Zeke’s team could be sold that it is an increase?

It is ..... so yes

Did you even read my post

Gurley got 21m guaranteed

 

[Nightman]

It’s not a matter ‘business’ at all. Dead money gets paid out before it gets charged against the cap. There’s no sense in which deferring the cap charge defers the actual payment (such that you can benefit from the time value of money).

Dead money may be smart cap management in some instances (depends on the precise circumstances) but it’s neither smart business nor stupid business. It’s a non-factor from a business perspective.

It is always smart business

If you want to play juvenile semantic games then piss off.... I don't have any interest in them

 

[J12B]

Gurley is worth the money because the coaching staff knows how to take FULL advantage of his skill set. Do we have that in this coaching staff?

They didn't know how to take advantage of him in the Superbowl lol

 

[Sarge]

They didn't know how to take advantage of him in the Superbowl lol

Probably because he could barely walk.