Cap impact is not bad to move on from Dak

[Praxit]

....lol....listen fellas, Dak is not going anywhere. MM will be gone first.

Then another HC will take over. So then, thats how it goes.

 

[Carter]

What are you talking about? How long did it take Jimmy to rebuild from Zero to contenders?
Houston was in the dumps last year, GB was supposed to win 6 games this year. We are not that far off, there will be QB’s available. This team needs a great coach like Vrabel to come in and overturn the culture.Minshew almost took the Colts to the playoffs.
Stop being so afraid of the unknown, what we have right now has not worked and doubling down is lunacy.

im just telling you what Jerry thinks and does for the past decade and more.

 

[dckid]

im just telling you what Jerry thinks and does for the past decade and more.

It’s more than the past decade it’s since the day in spring of 1994 when he said 500 coaches could take this team to a SB. Then he hired the most unqualified coach in Barry Switzer.

 

[dckid]

....lol....listen fellas, Dak is not going anywhere. MM will be gone first.

Then another HC will take over. So then, thats how it goes.

We can hope he is gone

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

I think the problem is we need that Cap to sign CD and Micah

 

[dckid]

I think the problem is we need that Cap to sign CD and Micah

I think we still can, cutting Dak will save 34 million this year and 11 next. If you stick with Dak you will be hit with 50 million plus every year. The Cowboys offloaded the cap hits to later years with his current contract. Now is the time to make the move or we will never be able to get out.

 

[JustChip]

And don't forget they carried over around 20 million in cap and the cap will be increasing so there is no Dak lockdown just myths from those pesky Dak lovers.
If the Broncos can cut ties with Wilson trust me we can do it with Prescotto.

The problem is, can and will are not the same. The only reason they moved on from Romo was because if a circumstance beyond their control.

 

[KB1122]

I'm not a person with any sense of the cap. But if we're paying him 40 this year, and we are 20 million under the cap (which are things I've heard ambiently), then could we take the $60 million hit this year without a lot of bad things happening. And if so, would it open up a gold mine of cap space a year from now?

 

[EenonyMoose]

It should be pointed out that no matter which accounting trick you use, cutting Dak still results in a net $2.5 million loss against the cap. That's worth it if someone were to offer you a decent draft pick, but would a team offer that on top of Dak's contract demands? Regardless, the only thing to do at that point is draft a QB, because you can't afford another veteran.

 

[Creeper]

Another Don't cut Dak scare post.
Common man stating we won't be able to sign our FA or lose players because we have to wait till June 1st is a stretch, to say the least here...............BIG TIME!
The funny thing is when he becomes a post-June 1st cut most teams will have their QB 1 position pretty much set.

The reality is scary. The fact is the Cowboys are an effective $21 million OVER the CAP as they sit today. Before they can sign a single player they need to find that $21 million CAP save and then some, and they can't get it from the most obvious place which is Dak.

You can get some money out of Zack Martin. He is in the last year of his contract. A restructure will save money but only if you extend him. Some people want to trade him. That would add another $13 million to the CAP and then you don't have a pro-bowl RG.

We can extend Demarcus Lawrence again But he is only due $10 million in salary and he too is in the last year of his contract. So he would need to be extended as well. You want to extend a 32 year old run stopping DE? Cutting him saves $2.5 million.

Cutting Gallup saves $800k. Gallup is due $8.5 million salary. He can be structured but the save is small and it means cutting him in the future is more expensive.

Vander Esch will probably retire. But his save is only $2.5 million. We are nickel and diming our way to get under the CAP.

They can cut Brandon Cooks. That saves $4 million.

Cutting all these guys only save $14 million. We need to find $7 million just to get under the CAP before we sign anyone.

They can extend CeeDee, if he will agree to it. They could save $16 million if they do that. I don't think anyone would seriously consider trading him or cutting him. But if they cut Dak, will CeeDee agree to re-sign with a team that has a puzzle at QB? He might just play out his 5th year and move on to a team with an established QB. And they would be happy to pay him.

Doing a deal now with Parsons will only save them maybe $4 million.

Keep in mind the Cowboys have a bunch of players who made significant contribution in playing time this year who are free agents. On the defense alone we have Gilmore, Gallimore, Armstrong, Fowler, Lewis, and Hankins. How much CAP room do you think they'll need to sign those guys?

I am not trying to scare anyone. I am presenting the facts. The Cowboys have a CAP problem. The solution is to extend Dak and shave $30 million of so off that problem. Then some other adjustments could net them enough money to sign some of their free agents. But eating $59 million until June 1 is going to seriously hamper their ability to put a roster together with as much talent as they have this year.

Again, It is an option. And I could argue it is a good option. I have dug deep and decided I can tolerate a year or two of losing if it means rebuilding the team back to where it is now. Of course there are no guarantees that it will happen in two years. It could, but we have to remember Jerry's style is not to spend in free agency so how long will it take to rebuild with just the draft? Probably a lot longer. Raise you hand if you are willing to go through an era of not having a competent QB and a series of losing seasons. There are far more examples of teams that drafted a QB and still didn't get where they wanted than teams that did. .How did Jacksonville do in the playoffs this year?

 

[EenonyMoose]

The reality is scary. The fact is the Cowboys are an effective $21 million OVER the CAP as they sit today. Before they can sign a single player they need to find that $21 million CAP save and then some, and they can't get it from the most obvious place which is Dak.

You can get some money out of Zack Martin. He is in the last year of his contract. A restructure will save money but only if you extend him. Some people want to trade him. That would add another $13 million to the CAP and then you don't have a pro-bowl RG.

We can extend Demarcus Lawrence again But he is only due $10 million in salary and he too is in the last year of his contract. So he would need to be extended as well. You want to extend a 32 year old run stopping DE? Cutting him saves $2.5 million.

Cutting Gallup saves $800k. Gallup is due $8.5 million salary. He can be structured but the save is small and it means cutting him in the future is more expensive.

Vander Esch will probably retire. But his save is only $2.5 million. We are nickel and diming our way to get under the CAP.

They can cut Brandon Cooks. That saves $4 million.

Cutting all these guys only save $14 million. We need to find $7 million just to get under the CAP before we sign anyone.

They can extend CeeDee, if he will agree to it. They could save $16 million if they do that. I don't think anyone would seriously consider trading him or cutting him. But if they cut Dak, will CeeDee agree to re-sign with a team that has a puzzle at QB? He might just play out his 5th year and move on to a team with an established QB. And they would be happy to pay him.

Doing a deal now with Parsons will only save them maybe $4 million.

Keep in mind the Cowboys have a bunch of players who made significant contribution in playing time this year who are free agents. On the defense alone we have Gilmore, Gallimore, Armstrong, Fowler, Lewis, and Hankins. How much CAP room do you think they'll need to sign those guys?

I am not trying to scare anyone. I am presenting the facts. The Cowboys have a CAP problem. The solution is to extend Dak and shave $30 million of so off that problem. Then some other adjustments could net them enough money to sign some of their free agents. But eating $59 million until June 1 is going to seriously hamper their ability to put a roster together with as much talent as they have this year.

Again, It is an option. And I could argue it is a good option. I have dug deep and decided I can tolerate a year or two of losing if it means rebuilding the team back to where it is now. Of course there are no guarantees that it will happen in two years. It could, but we have to remember Jerry's style is not to spend in free agency so how long will it take to rebuild with just the draft? Probably a lot longer. Raise you hand if you are willing to go through an era of not having a competent QB and a series of losing seasons. There are far more examples of teams that drafted a QB and still didn't get where they wanted than teams that did. .How did Jacksonville do in the playoffs this year?

Technically you can push Martin's guaranteed money into future void years without restructuring, but it's just putting 2024 on the credit card. Might as well do it, since it's going to hit the cap this year or next year anyway, and future years have more flexibility. If you max restructure all of your guaranteed money from last year's extensions (Martin, Diggs, Steele, Wilson, etc.), you end up with about $14 million in cap space. It's not much, but it's breathing room at least.

 

[Clove]

I'll say this again.
Go to Dak, let him know you're going to cut him or bench him next year unless he agrees to a trade. Tell him he at least owes us this.
Find a team who will trade for him and rework his contract.
Trade for a 1st round pick to said team.
Combine both picks this year to move up as far as you can move up and draft one of the 4 or 5 QBs that's coming out in the 1st.

 

[Creeper]

Technically you can push Martin's guaranteed money into future void years without restructuring, but it's just putting 2024 on the credit card. Might as well do it, since it's going to hit the cap this year or next year anyway, and future years have more flexibility. If you max restructure all of your guaranteed money from last year's extensions (Martin, Diggs, Steele, Wilson, etc.), you end up with about $14 million in cap space. It's not much, but it's breathing room at least.

Don't forget if we make Dak a post June 1 cut we have his $32 million hitting us next year too. How much dead money do you want to take in 2025?

And As I keep saying, a post June 1 cut does not free up any money until free agency is over. So all of the Cowboys free agents will have to move on, and there will be no money to sign any other free agents. Making Dak a post June 1 cut does nothing except guarantee we have a worse roster than this year, AND no QB.

 

[EenonyMoose]

Don't forget if we make Dak a post June 1 cut we have his $32 million hitting us next year too. How much dead money do you want to take in 2025?

And As I keep saying, a post June 1 cut does not free up any money until free agency is over. So all of the Cowboys free agents will have to move on, and there will be no money to sign any other free agents. Making Dak a post June 1 cut does nothing except guarantee we have a worse roster than this year, AND no QB.

Bingo. Better off letting Dak play out his final year and take the comp pick in 2026. You don't actually save anything over the remainder of the deal, you just open up an accounting trick to borrow cap space from 2025, and you can already create about $30 million of space doing that with players that don't create a net negative loss against the cap.

 

[BigD5]

Best case scenario is to trade him to a sucker team.

Problem is… you need a convincing GM that can talk a team into taking Dak and maybe just suggesting Dak needs a fresh start somewhere

And the Dallas Cowboys don’t have that. No other team or GM in the NFL respects Jerry Jones as a GM

 

[IceStar-D7]

“Tore the league up”.. they were awful to start the season and couldn’t put the ball in the red zone and they lost against the Cardinals. They adjusted after the 49ers game by force feeding CeeDee and telling Dak to run more, while taking more deep shots. Teams adjusted and he sucked, the offense eas awful against the Lions, Miami and Bills with the except lion against the woeful Commanders who couldn’t cover CeeDee Lamb in man.

LIKE IT OR NOT DAK was a top 5 quarterback in 12 of the games this year. All you Dak haters are the same. Just hate no real solutions. Just I hate Dak...... So why continued to beat a dead horse to death???? We get it...

 

[IceStar-D7]

Best case scenario is to trade him to a sucker team.

Problem is… you need a convincing GM that can talk a team into taking Dak and maybe just suggesting Dak needs a fresh start somewhere

And the Dallas Cowboys don’t have that. No other team or GM in the NFL respects Jerry Jones as a GM

you guys need to research crap before you post....Dak has a NO trade contract. So good luck with that

 

[DuncanIso]

All,

It's not that bad to move on from Dak in 2024. The cap hit is much better than I expected as long as we do it post June1st.
In 2024, the Dead Cap would be $ 25 million and the cap savings would be 34 Million.
In 2025 we would still owe 25 million in Dead cap and 11 million in cap savings.

Cutting him before June 1st would be devastating as all 64 Million would hit the cap this year.

This is the perfect time to move on. Get off of Dak and McCarthy. You have not and will not win with them

Truth.

 

[dckid]

I'll say this again.
Go to Dak, let him know you're going to cut him or bench him next year unless he agrees to a trade. Tell him he at least owes us this.
Find a team who will trade for him and rework his contract.
Trade for a 1st round pick to said team.
Combine both picks this year to move up as far as you can move up and draft one of the 4 or 5 QBs that's coming out in the 1s

The reality is scary. The fact is the Cowboys are an effective $21 million OVER the CAP as they sit today. Before they can sign a single player they need to find that $21 million CAP save and then some, and they can't get it from the most obvious place which is Dak.

You can get some money out of Zack Martin. He is in the last year of his contract. A restructure will save money but only if you extend him. Some people want to trade him. That would add another $13 million to the CAP and then you don't have a pro-bowl RG.

We can extend Demarcus Lawrence again But he is only due $10 million in salary and he too is in the last year of his contract. So he would need to be extended as well. You want to extend a 32 year old run stopping DE? Cutting him saves $2.5 million.

Cutting Gallup saves $800k. Gallup is due $8.5 million salary. He can be structured but the save is small and it means cutting him in the future is more expensive.

Vander Esch will probably retire. But his save is only $2.5 million. We are nickel and diming our way to get under the CAP.

They can cut Brandon Cooks. That saves $4 million.

Cutting all these guys only save $14 million. We need to find $7 million just to get under the CAP before we sign anyone.

They can extend CeeDee, if he will agree to it. They could save $16 million if they do that. I don't think anyone would seriously consider trading him or cutting him. But if they cut Dak, will CeeDee agree to re-sign with a team that has a puzzle at QB? He might just play out his 5th year and move on to a team with an established QB. And they would be happy to pay him.

Doing a deal now with Parsons will only save them maybe $4 million.

Keep in mind the Cowboys have a bunch of players who made significant contribution in playing time this year who are free agents. On the defense alone we have Gilmore, Gallimore, Armstrong, Fowler, Lewis, and Hankins. How much CAP room do you think they'll need to sign those guys?

I am not trying to scare anyone. I am presenting the facts. The Cowboys have a CAP problem. The solution is to extend Dak and shave $30 million of so off that problem. Then some other adjustments could net them enough money to sign some of their free agents. But eating $59 million until June 1 is going to seriously hamper their ability to put a roster together with as much talent as they have this year.

Again, It is an option. And I could argue it is a good option. I have dug deep and decided I can tolerate a year or two of losing if it means rebuilding the team back to where it is now. Of course there are no guarantees that it will happen in two years. It could, but we have to remember Jerry's style is not to spend in free agency so how long will it take to rebuild with just the draft? Probably a lot longer. Raise you hand if you are willing to go through an era of not having a competent QB and a series of losing seasons. There are far more examples of teams that drafted a QB and still didn't get where they wanted than teams that did. .How did Jacksonville do in the playoffs this year?

There are no guarantees in life or building a team. The current strategy is building towards being mediocre and what has actually happened? Moving off of Dak is the cleanest solution.

 

[dckid]

Truth.

Thanks, This is the best way to go move forward.