Cap Implications if Dak is traded pre-June 1?

[Verdict]

Has anyone done the math on the cap implications on trading Dak pre-June 1? I’m not just talking about Dak. I mean how do the Cowboys absorb that cap hit and what would the Cowboys need to do to make the cap acceleration fit this year?

 

[EenonyMoose]

You lose like 2.5 million in space next year. If you trade him after June 1, you lose the same amount but you get to borrow from the 2025 cap to create additional space.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

He would have a $61m cap hit this year and a $36m cap hit next year.

It's out of the question, no matter how much some people want to pretend it's a legitimate option.

 

[Jarv]

He would have a $61m cap hit this year and a $36m cap hit next year.

It's out of the question, no matter how much some people want to pretend it's a legitimate option.

Can you provide the math on that? Why the extra 36m next year?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Can you provide the math on that? Why the extra 36m next year?

Void year with prorated bonus.
https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

 

[irishline]

Void year with prorated bonus.
https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

That 36 million would be if you cut him next offseason. It would not be in addition to the $61 million if you cut him this offseason. If you cut him this year, the 36 million would accelerate into this year as dead cap.

The three year prorated bonus would accelerate ($24,455,000+$2,445,000+$11,005) = $61,915,000 (which is the $61 million you are referring to).

The Dead Money and Cap Savings is showing you the result if you cut him that year, it's not accumulative.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That 36 million would be if you cut him next offseason. It would not be in addition to the $61 million if you cut him this offseason.

That chart is showing you how much the cap hit would be in the year it lists.

For example look at this for Mazi Smith. If we cut him this year the cap hit would be $10 million. Not the $10 plus the $7 it shows for the following season (which would be impossible because $17 million is more than his $13 million contract total).

https://overthecap.com/player/mazi-smith/10850

Buddy just select Trade (pre June 1)

 

[CowboyFrog]

That 36 million would be if you cut him next offseason. It would not be in addition to the $61 million if you cut him this offseason.

That chart is showing you how much the cap hit would be in the year it lists.

For example look at this for Mazi Smith. If we cut him this year the cap hit would be $10 million. Not the $10 plus the $7 it shows for the following season (which would be impossible because $17 million is more than his $13 million contract total).

https://overthecap.com/player/mazi-smith/10850

no thats the dead cap, he has 25 in GTD and 12 in signing due the following year ...everyone is missing this, the dead cap is for the cut, the other is if not cut..he is getting that paid to him no matter what...129 mill was garunteed, it will be paid..

 

[irishline]

no thats the dead cap, he has 25 in GTD and 12 in signing due the following year ...everyone is missing this, the dead cap is for the cut, the other is if not cut..he is getting that paid to him no matter what...129 mill was garunteed, it will be paid..

Buddy just select Trade (pre June 1)

(CowboyFrog) It was already paid, It was paid when he signed and restructured. Over the Cap is talking about cap accounting not his pay.

Look at it this way. The chart is saying in 2024 if you cut him pre-June first, his dead money would be $61,915,000. And it would be $2,460,000 more than it shows as his $59,455,000 cap hit for 2024. Why? Because all the money we already paid him accelerates into this year as dead money and from a cap accounting standpoint its more than his cap number for they year.

Now, where do you get that dead money number (the $61,915,000)? Its the $25,455,000 shown as bonus in 2024, $25,255,000 shown as bonus in 2025, and $11,005,000 shown as bonus in 2026. Guess what that conveniently adds up to? You guessed it, $61,915,000. Which is the number OTC shows as dead money if we cut him. Again the chart is not accumulative. It is showing you year by year what the cap effect would be for cutting him (pre-June 1 in this case).

 

[Davidlee1973]

You lose like 2.5 million in space next year. If you trade him after June 1, you lose the same amount but you get to borrow from the 2025 cap to create additional space.

Dak will not be traded. Nobody is gong to pick up that contract

 

[CowboyFrog]

It was already paid, It was paid when he signed and restructured. Over the Cap is talking about cap accounting not his pay.

Look at it this way. The chart is saying in 2024 if you cut him pre-June first. His dead money would be $61,915,000. And it would be $2,460,000 more than it shows as his $59,455,000 cap hit for 2024. Why? Because all the money we already paid him accelerates into this year as dead money.

What is that money (the $61,915,000)? Its the $25,455,000 shown as bonus in 2024, $25,255,000 shown as bonus in 2025, and $11,005,000 shown as bonus in 2026. Guess what that conveniently adds up to? You guessed it, $61,915,000. Which is the number OTC shows as dead money if we cut him. Again the chart is not accumulative. It is showing you year by year what the cap effect would be for cutting him (pre-June 1 in this case).

The 2025 line is showing you what is cap hit will be even if he isn't on the team because voided years we added to spread it out. That was money that was paid when he signed the contract and/or extension that adds the voided years.

correct in a cap hit wether he is here or not, again 2025 the cap is getting hit by one of those....thats was the point he may have been paid but the cap hit was pushed to a void year with full intention on him getting extended and never seeing the 60 mill cap hit this year.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Dak will not be traded. Nobody is gong to pick up that contract

Of course they would. Big contact qbs are dealt all the time anymore. Stafford, Wilson, rogers, etc.

 

[irishline]

correct in a cap hit wether he is here or not, again 2025 the cap is getting hit by one of those....thats was the point he may have been paid but the cap hit was pushed to a void year with full intention on him getting extended and never seeing the 60 mill cap hit this year.

Correct, but trading or cutting him this season accelerates any bonus money to the year you performed the cut or trade. It doesn't hit the cap twice. It is either accelerated into this year to make up the $61 million dead number for this year or it isn't.

If you look at the numbers for 2024. His contract is $29,000,000, with a roster bonus of $5,000,000. If his cap number for the year is $59,455,000 then how is it that we are actually not saving money cutting or trading him? $59,455,000 minus $34,000,000 means we should save $25,455,000. We don't because the two voided years accelerate into this years cap as dead money (and will no longer be dead money in 2025/2026).

 

[FanofJerry]

I dont understand all the Dak threads.

He isnt the problem.

Playoff coaching is the problem.

Cut Dak...and its just more money to go to players that have to play for bad playoff coaches.

Our offense gets stymied in the Playoffs...thats not Dak. Thats lack of respecting a run game or plan. Our receivers cant get open...thats not Dak. Thats coaching.

Our Defense cant stop the run after getting run on for 4 weeks prior to the Playoffs. Thats bad coaching planning...not Dak.

Cutting Dak to give other players more money or to acquire better talent isnt going to solve the playoff coaching issue.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Correct, but trading or cutting him this season still accelerates that to this year. It doesn't hit the cap twice. It is either accelerated into this year to make up the $61 million dead number or not.

I agree its all hitting the cap if he is cut, june 1st just dictates how and when. the point was your not saving anything by when he is cut.

 

[Whirlwin]

Has anyone done the math on the cap implications on trading Dak pre-June 1? I’m not just talking about Dak. I mean how do the Cowboys absorb that cap hit and what would the Cowboys need to do to make the cap acceleration fit this year?

Get a quarterback on a rookie deal

 

[Whirlwin]

I dont understand all the Dak threads.

He isnt the problem.

Playoff coaching is the problem.

Cut Dak...and its just more money to go to players that have to play for bad playoff coaches.

Our offense gets stymied in the Playoffs...thats not Dak. Thats lack of respecting a run game or plan. Our receivers cant get open...thats not Dak. Thats coaching.

Our Defense cant stop the run after getting run on for 4 weeks prior to the Playoffs. Thats bad coaching planning...not Dak.

Cutting Dak to give other players more money or to acquire better talent isnt going to solve the playoff coaching issue.

We’re still stuck with his hit

 

[CowboyFrog]

I dont understand all the Dak threads.

He isnt the problem.

Playoff coaching is the problem.

Cut Dak...and its just more money to go to players that have to play for bad playoff coaches.

Our offense gets stymied in the Playoffs...thats not Dak. Thats lack of respecting a run game or plan. Our receivers cant get open...thats not Dak. Thats coaching.

Our Defense cant stop the run after getting run on for 4 weeks prior to the Playoffs. Thats bad coaching planning...not Dak.

Cutting Dak to give other players more money or to acquire better talent isnt going to solve the playoff coaching issue.

easy thats not the narrative some here live to tell...some of us know its Jerry and some deserve another 28 years of Jerry until they can learn what the problem is.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

He would have a $61m cap hit this year and a $36m cap hit next year.

It's out of the question, no matter how much some people want to pretend it's a legitimate option.

LOL, no way the above is correct.
Gotta be Dak's math never on target and always has issues with the Picks 6's...............

 

[FanofJerry]

We’re still stuck with his hit

Every team wanting a decent vet QB at the helm has the same problem.

Its not some one off problem for Dallas Cowboys.