Cap Question - Releasing Bledsoe and Flozell

[acruther]

All of a sudden we're going to be laying out some big resigning dollars for Gurode, Crayton and a reworked Romo contract. When it's all said and done we may not be as "flush" with cash as it presently appears.

Well I figure $2-3 per for Gurode, $2-3 per for Columbo, maybe $1-2 for Crayton (assuming we resign which I hope we do), and Romo maybe $7??? So if we dump Bledsoe and at least restructure Adams to get down to $4-5 per hit, we still would have around $15 million.

Fuzzy math...

 

[acruther]

I sure hope McQ turns out to be the answer, but I'm very cautious. I've heard Parcells rave about two tackles in his history here: McQ and Petitti.

Two other tackles that he's been indifferent about are Flozell and Colombo, who are by far the best set of tackles we've had in Parcells' tenure.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'm not taking Parcells's praise about any offensive lineman seriously until I've seen production on the field. The man doesn't have a good track record here.

I agree 150%.

 

[sago1]

Need to remember how many of Parcells players he drafted in late rounds who have had very good careers in the NFL. Parcells was very high on McQuistan and wanted put him on our PS for development but decided that not a good idea cause Cowboy scouts who check out that stuff for us turned up info too many GMs interested in McQuistan based on his play in preseason; same went for Hurd & Austin. We have tried get them on PS they'd never make it thru waivers so we kept them on our team but McQuistan has essentially always been inactive but both Hurd & Austin have developed into ST performers. BTW: Another poster reported hearing that McQuistan was working very hard to fully learn LT position and that Adams concerned (but source of this tidbit was not identified so take it for what it's worth). But Parcells did say in TC that he believed McQuistan was our future starting LT.

But I'd be very surprised if we cut Adams and assume we let him finish out his contract. Of course if McQuistan turns out to be as good in TC as Parcells believes he has potential to be, who knows. As for Proctor, I kind of feel if he was better then Riveria he'd be starting. Assume Riveria maybe performing a little bit better then we imagine or his vet leadership vital to first year players Gurode (center) and Colombo (first full year at RT).

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this last year for Riveria. Next year is his third year with us and cap hit would be substantially less if we cut him after April/June 07. On other hand, is his leadership skills vital to a young OL, particularly if McQuistan is starting at LT. Also don't forget Adams started the season opener in his rookie year protecting Aikman and did a good job.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I want Tucker back, too, dangit.

Notice: The Dallas Transit Authority has posted an all-points bulleting look out for Torrin Tucker. They are in the market for quality turnstiles.

 

[sago1]

Both Gurode and Colombo have signed one year contracts with us and will be FAs after this season. We definitely want to keep Gurode as our starting center and will pay him the starting center rate. Also think Colombo is improving and we'd also want keep him so he also would warrant starting RT money but, given knee injury, maybe slightly under what starters usual make.

Paying big money to these 2 young players seems to me we gotta take a look at the kind of money paid to Adams & Riveria. Also Crayton is playing well and also will be a FA after this season, so he should get #3 WR money, whatever that will be. I think everybody else is signed. But don't know if the $20M we supposedly under allows for the big increase the cap will reach.
We do need pick up a vet backup QB & at least 1 more FA acquisition--maybe OGs Steinbach or Diehlam if there doubts Proctor can get that job done.

As for need for OLB, not sure we got the money to bring in the player you want and I'm hoping either Burnett or Carpenter step it up. We'll probably resign Singleton as OLB to provide stability depending upon Ellis' return.

A lot of hard decisions will be made but one of them won't be Bledsoe. He's gone after season over. No way he wants be a backup and we have to change our game plan if Romo went down.

I think Bledsoe (will be gone) but other vets like Riveria, Fabini (Vanderjagt already done) even Singleton (depending how OLB struggle plays out) are also vulnerable.

 

[dargonking999]

So what you want, is for us to cut a veteran tackle, that has been to the Pro-bowl???

so we stick McQ in there, and bam week 6 he goes down with a ACL injury, and watta ya know, we're stuck WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR.

Why are we so quick to cut vetran players, so we can start a rookie. How about we Just BENCH The players, so if a injury happens WE HAVE INSURANCE.

Sometimes fans make no sense.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think it's already clear that McQ is rated higher by the coaching staff than what Petitti or Tucker were.

I think they saw more upside with Pat, but that doesn't mean he will develop into a great player. Personally, I wish we had a better offensive line coach. I think the odds would improve dramatically.

 

[acruther]

So what you want, is for us to cut a veteran tackle, that has been to the Pro-bowl???

so we stick McQ in there, and bam week 6 he goes down with a ACL injury, and watta ya know, we're stuck WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR.

Why are we so quick to cut vetran players, so we can start a rookie. How about we Just BENCH The players, so if a injury happens WE HAVE INSURANCE.

Sometimes fans make no sense.

It makes no sense because you aren't looking at the economics of the situation. You can't massively overpay players, as it will keep you from being competitive in both the long and short term (see Washington).

Now if we have no options in free agency or the draft, we may have to keep him at $9 million next year. I suspect we may restructure his contract and maybe keep him around 2-3 years more. He might not want to go into FA this year either, considering the year he's had. But who knows, teams are always desperate for LTs.

 

[DLCassidy]

Flo will be back. Why wouldn't he be? And I assume we sign Gurode long term. The more interesting questions are do we sign Columbo long term and is Rivera coming back? I would answer yes to the first no to the second.

When you get down to it, and this isn't clear either, RG may be the only position on the team that we may be looking for a new starter at, probably from the draft or maybe Proctor. In fact the number of holes are few. But if the team looks to extend Romo and Newman this offseason, along with resign Gurode and Columbo, that will eat into our cap space pretty well.

 

[ghst187]

I think we play the OL safely....
I think Flo sticks for another year. The LT is too critical and frankly I think Flo would get some serious cash if he left as a FA. We've already mostly paid for him to be here another year, which gives us another year to develop McQ AND maintains some depth at the position.
Rivera, sadly, may be in the same boat. I think it may be more cost effective and safe to stand pat along the OL and give Rivera one more year while Proctor gets one more to develop.
Don't forget we have Whitley coming back next year too. (which may be the end of Al Johnson's stay here too)
Colombo is a no-brainer. We have to resign him. I forgot we were going to have to resign him too. That may cost us as T's get paid. Hopefully we'll get some loyalty discount.
Same for Gurode.
That pretty much leaves us with the exact same OL (which with Romo starting doesn't look all that bad).
I tend to think, based on my limited knowledge of the salaries and cap scenarios, that we'll mostly stand pat with no big changes along the OL. I could see a few late round draft picks again though.

 

[dargonking999]

It makes no sense because you aren't looking at the economics of the situation. You can't massively overpay players, as it will keep you from being competitive in both the long and short term (see Washington).

Now if we have no options in free agency or the draft, we may have to keep him at $9 million next year. I suspect we may restructure his contract and maybe keep him around 2-3 years more. He might not want to go into FA this year either, considering the year he's had. But who knows, teams are always desperate for LTs.

im lookin at the ecomnics of situation

Your talking about taking a huge cap hit, for a pro-bowler in his last year of contract, and then have to go signa vetran back-up. SO your talking about over 10 milion dollars on a LT. Your better off jsut keeping him. Once again fans logic doesnt seem to look at everything. Not to mention he's been getting better as the season goes on.

IMO Mcq was nothing more than insurance if Flozells knee wasnt able to come back from rehab. But yea lets cut a pro-bowler, because he has a bad season after an ACL surgery.

 

[hmcorp]

actually if you watch the gamess flozell is getting better each week.

I think he is starting to get back into the swing of things and play well at his position.

our offensive line isnt that bad.

our offense and defense are great.

we just need to keep executing. it isnt a question of the holes in the team right now.

we dont have a steak at every position but I dont think we have such deficits in player ability compared to other teams.

if we keep executing the plays we can beat anyone.

 

[AdamJT13]

It's looks like we're about $20 million under the cap for next year from what I can figure. $25 million per 9/10 AdamJT13 post - $1.8 for Vandy - $3 for Bradie. How much cap room can we save by releasing Bledsoe and Flozell?

I heard Flozell is a $9 million cap hit, with maybe $2 of that signing bonus? So $7 maybe?

Bledsoe's deal was 3 year, $14 million, $2 million SB, so maybe we save like $3.5ish???

We're $21.57 million under the 2007 cap at the moment.

Adams' current cap number for 2007 is $7 million -- $5 million in base salary and $2 million prorated signing bonus. That's the final year of his contract, so if we release him, his cap hit will be $2 million. If we renegotiate his contract, it will be $2 million plus his new base salary (plus any new bonus proration).

Bledsoe's current cap number for 2007 is $7.167 million. Only $666,668 of that is bonus proration, the rest (salary, roster bonus, LTBE incentives) would disappear if he retires or is released. So we'd save $6.5 million if he's gone.

 

[acruther]

We're $21.57 million under the 2007 cap at the moment.

Adams' current cap number for 2007 is $7 million -- $5 million in base salary and $2 million prorated signing bonus. That's the final year of his contract, so if we release him, his cap hit will be $2 million. If we renegotiate his contract, it will be $2 million plus his new base salary (plus any new bonus proration).

Bledsoe's current cap number for 2007 is $7.167 million. Only $666,668 of that is bonus proration, the rest (salary, roster bonus, LTBE incentives) would disappear if he retires or is released. So we'd save $6.5 million if he's gone.

Thanks Adam. So we save $5 million by cutting Adams and $6.5 from Bledsoe. So the question is, can you upgrade the LT position for $5 million? Maybe, maybe not. I think the primary problem might be availability of replacements. The Arizona tackles - Leonard Davis might be available but he looks worse than Adams. Ware schooled him.

Hmmmm... food for thought.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

We're $21.57 million under the 2007 cap at the moment.

Adams' current cap number for 2007 is $7 million -- $5 million in base salary and $2 million prorated signing bonus. That's the final year of his contract, so if we release him, his cap hit will be $2 million. If we renegotiate his contract, it will be $2 million plus his new base salary (plus any new bonus proration).

Bledsoe's current cap number for 2007 is $7.167 million. Only $666,668 of that is bonus proration, the rest (salary, roster bonus, LTBE incentives) would disappear if he retires or is released. So we'd save $6.5 million if he's gone.

So by cutting Bledsoe and Adams, we would be 31 million under cap? I am not sure about letting Flo go.. but I am pretty sure that DB is gone.. we are in great shape right now.

 

[acruther]

im lookin at the ecomnics of situation

Your talking about taking a huge cap hit, for a pro-bowler in his last year of contract, and then have to go signa vetran back-up. SO your talking about over 10 milion dollars on a LT. Your better off jsut keeping him. Once again fans logic doesnt seem to look at everything. Not to mention he's been getting better as the season goes on.

IMO Mcq was nothing more than insurance if Flozells knee wasnt able to come back from rehab. But yea lets cut a pro-bowler, because he has a bad season after an ACL surgery.

Well if you are looking at the economics of the situation, you clearly don't understand them. We will free up cap room by releasing Adams. Yes we would then have to sign a replacement. If there is no replacement, then obviously you can't do it (which I said previously). If the replacement is more expensive than the $5 you would get from releasing him, you've worsening your cap situation. On the other hand, wouldn't you be willing to worsen your cap situation to improve play at the position? Again, it all goes back to who is available. I have been looking around, and, sadly, there isn't a lot out there.

As for cutting a Pro Bowler, do you think Adams is a Pro Bowler this year? He certainly hasn't played like one. So at this point, you're not talking about cutting a Pro Bowler. You're talking about cutting an underachieving player.

 

[Future]

Bledsoe's current cap number for 2007 is $7.167 million. Only $666,668 of that is bonus proration, the rest (salary, roster bonus, LTBE incentives) would disappear if he retires or is released. So we'd save $6.5 million if he's gone

HELLOOOO $6.5 mil

 

[Wood]

Adams is clearly not a $7 million dollar player anymore. Just as Dallas would not pay Larry Allen a huge sum of money for average play...the same can be said for Adams. I see Dallas giving McQ a long look at training camp and possibly using our first round pick on LT. Colombo & Gurode are a lock to be signed to long term contract that offseason.

 

[moz]

It's looks like we're about $20 million under the cap for next year from what I can figure. $25 million per 9/10 AdamJT13 post - $1.8 for Vandy - $3 for Bradie. How much cap room can we save by releasing Bledsoe and Flozell?

I heard Flozell is a $9 million cap hit, with maybe $2 of that signing bonus? So $7 maybe?

Bledsoe's deal was 3 year, $14 million, $2 million SB, so maybe we save like $3.5ish???

You're probably right, but don't think Flo will go anywhere. I mean if we were to sign someone high profile than, yes.

btw, GG last night--damn onside kick, I hadn't kicked one in so long I choked..lol

 

[Wood]

Is Proctor still around? I remember Parcells was high on him but cant remember if he was cut.