Cardinals expected to release S Antrel Rolle

[Randy White]

No sir. An unrestricted Free Agent is one whose contract with a given team has expired.

So what do they call players who's contracts were terminated, gone through waiver wire without being claimed, and are free to sign with any team ?

 

[Gzus]

So what do they call players who's contracts were terminated, gone through waiver wire without being claimed, and are free to sign with any team ?

Players able to sign with a team fall into these categories, regardless of how they ended up on the market.
RFA: Restricted Free Agent, team with rights to the player have the right to match the offer sheet, that another team offers player, to retain the player. (<6 years accrued)
UFA: Unrestricted Free Agent, player is free to sign with any team with no restrictions on the player. (cut, waived, 6 or more years accrued)
ERFA: Exclusive-Rights Free Agent, team who owns the rights to player can tender the player an offer, if so player must accept the deal or sit out the entire season. (0-2 years accrued)

So to answer your question they'd be a UFA.

 

[Gzus]

I'd take Antel Rolle over Ken Hamlin, bring him on Very little of Hamlin's contract is guaranteed so we good.

 

[JustDezIt]

Players able to sign with a team fall into these categories, regardless of how they ended up on the market.
RFA: Restricted Free Agent, team with rights to the player have the right to match the offer sheet, that another team offers player, to retain the player. (<6 years accrued)
UFA: Unrestricted Free Agent, player is free to sign with any team with no restrictions on the player. (cut, waived, 6 or more years accrued)
ERFA: Exclusive-Rights Free Agent, team who owns the rights to player can tender the player an offer, if so player must accept the deal or sit out the entire season. (0-2 years accrued)

So to answer your question they'd be a UFA.

they are just a different kind of unrestriced free agent, not sure if they technically have their own name. if cut, anyone can sign them no matter what.

Adam said so.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3241626&postcount=2

there is so much confusion about this. could use an adam thread stickied for ppl to reference cause so many just arent getting it.

 

[Randy White]

Players able to sign with a team fall into these categories, regardless of how they ended up on the market.
So to answer your question they'd be a UFA.

Yea, that's what I originally said.

However, in this situation there has to be a difference between the two.

The URFA who's contract was terminated is not subject to the same rules that an URFA who's contract expired, which, " technically " speaking doesn't " really " make him an URFA afterall, now that I think about it.

 

[Gzus]

they are just a different kind of unrestriced free agent, not sure if they technically have their own name. if cut, anyone can sign them no matter what.

An unrestricted free agent is unrestricted period. No restriction to the PLAYER. In terms of the next season and it being uncapped, from a team's standpoint there are restrictions depending on the rules associated to going uncapped. But there are no restrictions on an unrestricted free agent. When it comes to free agents there are only the three types that I listed: RFA, UFA, ERFA. That's it there is no other forms. Now you can have transition players (transition tags) and franchise players (franchise tag) but those previously mentioned three are the only classifications for free agents.

AGAIN: All restrictions associated with going uncapped are restrictions on the TEAM'S ability to sign a player and not on the player themselves, a player's designation does not affect their chances of getting signed other than possible draft pick compensations & rights of first refusal that the "tagging" team may have.

 

[Gzus]

Yea, that's what I originally said.

However, in this situation there has to be a difference between the two.

The URFA who's contract was terminated is not subject to the same rules that an URFA who's contract expired, which, " technically " speaking doesn't " really " making him an URFA afterall, now that I think about it.

There is no difference in how someone ends up a free agent, it all has to do with if the team still has "rights" to the player which is determined by years of service in the league. When a team cuts or releases a player they sever all claim or "rights" to that player and they are an unrestricted free agent. Makes no difference if they are a free agent b/c they were terminated or their contract expired, if they meet certain criteria they are unrestricted. If they are under the 6 year service requirement then they will be restricted.

 

[Randy White]

An unrestricted free agent is unrestricted period. No restriction to the PLAYER. In terms of the next season and it being uncapped, from a team's standpoint there are restrictions depending on the rules associated to going uncapped. But there are no restrictions on an unrestricted free agent. ..

I'm 100% sure you're correct, but if you think about it, there are restrictions on that URFA who's contract expired as opposed to terminated.

Let's take Cory Proctor, for example. His contract will expire in March, if it hasn't already. Now let's say Proctor wants to sign with the Saints, and the Saints want to sign him ( Please, Lord, make it so... but I digress ). However, under the rules, until the Saints lose a player of their own, who's contract has expired too, they're prevented from signing Proctor. If the Saints don't lose one of those players, they cannot sign Proctor during the FA period and Proctor cannot sign with them even if he wanted to.

 

[Gzus]

I'm 100% sure you're correct, but if you think about it, there are restrictions on that URFA who's contract expired as opposed to terminated.

Let's take Cory Proctor, for example. His contract will expire in March, if it hasn't already. Now let's say Proctor wants to sign with the Saints, and the Saints want to sign him ( Please, Lord, make it so... but I digress ). However, under the rules, until the Saints lose a player of their own, who's contract has expired too, they're prevented from signing Proctor. If the Saints don't lose one of those players, they cannot sign Proctor during the FA period and Proctor cannot sign with them even if he wanted to.

Again it makes no difference how the player become a free agent. A team's restrictions in signing a player is dependent on their own roster as well as their result from last season. Makes no difference if his contract expired or he was terminated, it all depends on how the team did and what their roster situation is.

 

[Randy White]

the wording should be change.

All URFA are what the terms says: Unrestricted Free agents. However, the URFA who's contracts have expired have a more limited pool of teams who are eligible to sign them than the URFA who's contracts were terminated.


which in itself IS a restriction.

bbbbbllllllahhhh.. who cares.. bring on the combines..

 

[Randy White]

Again it makes no difference how the player become a free agent. A team's restrictions in signing a player is dependent on their own roster as well as their result from last season. Makes no difference if his contract expired or he was terminated, it all depends on how the team did and what their roster situation is.

Woooaaahhh, there Cowboy.. Are you saying what I think you're saying ?

You're saying the top 8 teams ( as per the uncapped season rules ) are not going to be able to sign players who were cut the same way they cannot sign players who's contract expired ?

If so, I'd love to see where you found that. It, basically, changes my entire thinking for this off-season.

 

[JustDezIt]

Woooaaahhh, there Cowboy.. Are you saying what I think you're saying ?

You're saying the top 8 teams ( as per the uncapped season rules ) are not going to be able to sign players who were cut the same way they cannot sign players who's contract expired ?

If so, I'd love to see where you found that. It, basically, changes my entire thinking for this off-season.

Ima post this again, is this what you meant?
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3241626&postcount=2

 

[Randy White]

Ima post this again, is this what you meant?
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3241626&postcount=2

Excellent.. Let's pay attention to what Adam is saying:


Adam: We can sign one big-money UFA even if we don't lose anyone. We can sign as many UFAs for "medium" money (or less) as we want, even if we don't lose anyone. Plus, for every UFA we lose, we can sign a UFA for a similar contract or less.

I have to assume that he means players who's contract have expired because:

Adam: We can sign anyone we want who was cut, for whatever amount we want. And cutting a player won't affect whom we can and cannot sign.

It obviously means players who's contracts were terminated.

Now, the next question for Adam would be this:

Would the Saints, Vikings, Colts and Jets be eligible to sign anyone who was cut, for whatever amount they want ?

If that's the case, then there are going to be 2 obvious classes of URFA:

a) Players who's contracts were terminated and are eligible to sign with anybody they want for whatever amount they agree to.

b) Players who's contracts expired but will not be permitted to sign with those 4 teams until they lose one of their own AND they'll be able to sign for the same amount only.


If the answer to that question is NO ( as in the restriction rule applies to all URFA for those 4 teams ), then all URFA are going to be treated the same, no matter how they got there.

 

[irishline]

Again it makes no difference how the player become a free agent. A team's restrictions in signing a player is dependent on their own roster as well as their result from last season. Makes no difference if his contract expired or he was terminated, it all depends on how the team did and what their roster situation is.

This is straight from nlf.com...

"The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years."

Here's the link...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true

 

[Randy White]

This is straight from nlf.com...

except for players who acquired their status by being cut [/B]

Here's the link...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true

Game, set, match.

There will be two classes of URFA's, just as I thought..


Great find, Irish..

 

[Gzus]

In terms of the Cowboys tho, it doesn't matter how they become UFAs we can sign them as long as we meet the salary requirements and other restrictions. I was saying that the categorization of UFA, RFA, and ERFA are not dependedent on how they become free agents. How they became free agents may be a factor to the teams interested in signing them, but not to the agents themselves. What I meant to illustrate was the restrictions are on the teams and not on the players themselves.