Carimi Concerns

[TheCount]

Just out of curiosity who was the starting LT for USC this past season? Is he a senior? If u always put your premier tackle on the left side, as has been duly stated, then why didn't USC play smith there? Not trying to be a ******** just asking? Could he not beat this cat out? We're supposed to draft a LT AT 9 that can't even start at LT own his own college team? I'm being serious. What's the deal?

Matt Kalil, pretty good player and widely considered the 2nd best tackle of the 2013 Class (If he waits that long), right now behind Stanford's Jonathan Martin who is also a Sophmore.

He's another somewhat light, athletic guy that suits the zone blocking scheme USC runs.

 

[UnoDallas]

Just out of curiosity who was the starting LT for USC this past season? Is he a senior? If u always put your premier tackle on the left side, as has been duly stated, then why didn't USC play smith there? Not trying to be a ******** just asking? Could he not beat this cat out? We're supposed to draft a LT AT 9 that can't even start at LT own his own college team? I'm being serious. What's the deal?

USC LT Matt Kalil, a 6-7, 295 lb. junior as the starting left tackle


2011: Kalil, whose father and brother played college and pro football, returns for his second season starting at offensive tackle as a junior in 2011.
2010: Kalil started all 13 games at left offensive tackle as a sophomore in 2010. He blocked a PAT against Notre Dame.

alil is the only starter on the line who is expected to start 2011 at the same position he finished 2010. He's the class of this offensive line, a 6-7, 295-pound athlete who clearly projects to the next level. He had rough patches as a first-year starter last season but closed the year out with a few good performances

Kiffin said sophomore Matt Kalil is the starting left tackle. The 6-7, 295-pound Kalil, brother of former Trojans center Ryan Kalil,

I guess its Kiffens call

Kalil is big corn feed boy

I bet Kalil is a top five pick

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Tyron Smith will show up in 2009/10 season as the next great offensive lineman in college football. Andre Smith just left campus and while the next senior class looks solid, none of them have the natural abilities that Smith has. USC returns all five starting lineman, a feat that is pretty rare in modern college football. But Tyron has impressed the coaches so much in his one year on campus that he likely to supplant the current starting right tackle Butch Lewis.... Smith is a 6'6 285 mountain of muscle. Probably closer to 6'5, and should hit the season weighing in the area of 300 lbs, Smith showed up at USC with an 8-pack. In High School he dominated players physically and was rated as a 5-star prospect by Rivals.com. He reminds me of D'Brickashaw Ferguson. He will be all Pac-10 this year. May push onto a few AA teams. In one years time he will be part of the best tackle tandem in college once Matt Kalil takes over at LT. In 2011 these two will be stars. But NFL scouts will find Tyron sooner, when he lines up at RT for the Trojans. Keep your eyes open


Smith is a two-time NIKE Camp MVP and an amazing right tackle prospect

 

[InmanRoshi]

Considering guys like Jim Harbaugh and Mike Riley thought Smith was the best offensive lineman in the entire Pac-10 last year, I think he could have played left tackle if that's what the USC coaches wanted. The truth is there was a ton of turmoil on the USC OL after they lost 3 of their 5 starters from the year before, and USC needed a some anchors and consistency on the OL and kept Smith where he was comfortable. Again, the RT vs. LT is really overblown by fans desperately clinging onto easy, antiquated archetypes they can get their heads around, when in truth you need both tackles to be good pass protectors in modern era football. Kalil struggled early in the season, but improved as the year went along. I highly doubt he'll be a Top 5 pick.

 

[UnoDallas]

Matt Kalil, pretty good player and widely considered the 2nd best tackle of the 2013 Class (If he waits that long), right now behind Stanford's Jonathan Martin who is also a Sophmore.

He's another somewhat light, athletic guy that suits the zone blocking scheme USC runs.

this is the way Walter's has them mocked 2012

1 Matt Kalil*, OT, USC 6-6 #295
2 Nate Potter, OT, Boise State 6-6 #295
3 Blake DeChristopher*, OT, Virginia Tech 6-5 #310
4 Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State 6-5 #305
5 Tyron Smith, OT, USC 6-5 #285
6 Jonathan Martin*, OT, Stanford 6-6 #204
7 Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State 6-8 #305

 

[UnoDallas]

Considering guys like Jim Harbaugh and Mike Riley thought Smith was the best offensive lineman in the entire Pac-10 last year, I think he could have played left tackle if that's what the USC coaches wanted. The truth is there was a ton of turmoil on the USC OL after they lost 3 of their 5 starters from the year before, and USC needed a some anchors and consistency on the OL and kept Smith where he was comfortable. Again, the RT vs. LT is really overblown by fans desperately clinging onto easy, antiquated archetypes they can get their heads around, when in truth you need both tackles to be good pass protectors in modern era football. Kalil struggled early in the season, but improved as the year went along. I highly doubt he'll be a Top 5 pick.

I think he will be in the running

 

[TheCount]

this is the way Walter's has them mocked 2012

1 Matt Kalil*, OT, USC 6-6 #295
2 Nate Potter, OT, Boise State 6-6 #295
3 Blake DeChristopher*, OT, Virginia Tech 6-5 #310
4 Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State 6-5 #305
5 Tyron Smith, OT, USC 6-5 #285
6 Jonathan Martin*, OT, Stanford 6-6 #204
7 Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State 6-8 #305

Interesting, but I did say 2013.

At this point it doesn't really mean anything anyway.

 

[UnoDallas]

Interesting, but I did say 2013.

At this point it doesn't really mean anything anyway.

at this point its pretty moot

 

[UnoDallas]

I think out top pick should Sherrod

I know JG has a inside of Wis from Chryst

but Sherrod can play LT in the pros

Doug Free played well at ROT last year in Columbo's absence and with the top LOT still on the board, why not have the flexibility of 2 athletic young bookends that are interchangeable? Sure makes game-day decisions of whittling down 53 to 45 easier, in the case of deciding on back-up OL in the case of injuries. This is a case where value equals need and is a fine pick by Dallas.

Sherrod has the quickest feet and best natural athleticism of the top-tier tackles, and the Cowboys sorely need those characteristics up front


The type who does everything well but nothing great --- Possesses both the physical tools and intangibles that you look for in a left tackle prospect --- Not particularly flashy but very consistent and arguably the best all - around blocker in this class

Ideal height and good bulk with large hands
Quick and agile with above average athleticism
Light on feet. Able to slide and mirror laterally
Good footwork, balance and body control
Technically sound and uses his hands well
Understands positioning and angles
Great pass blocker and can protect the edge
Does a solid job in the run game as a drive blocker
Effective in space and can get to the second level
Smart with excellent instincts and awareness
Mature, hard working and a leader
Is tough and has proven to be durable
Tons of experience versus top competition

Also excelled in the classroom, graduating Cum Laude with a degree in business and receiving the NFF Scholar-Athlete Award

Sherrod is a 4th year senior. Coming out of high school he was a 4-star player who was recruited by most of the SEC schools as well as Notre Dame and Michigan. He was a three-year starter for the Bulldogs at left tackle. He has excellent size for an NFL tackle measuring 6-5 and 321 pounds with very long arms (35 3/8) and huge hands (11). He runs well for a big guy (5.24) and has very good balance to go along with good overall athleticism. He has good bend and is quick to change direction.

He plays out of both a 2-point and 3-point stance with good snap reaction and initial quickness. He is a consistently good run blocker who shows the power to get movement and the athleticism to get to the second level. He has some nasty in his play and I like the way he runs his feet and looks to finish blocks. In pass protection, he sets quickly and shows good lateral agility. He moves his feet well, stays in balance and can recover versus counter moves. He can get tall at times but that is more because he can get lazy with his technique than not being able to bend. I have seen enough plays where he has very good knee bend and anchor ability. He plays with a good base and you seldom see him give ground versus bull rushes. His hand use is good, he shows he can have a compact punch, but you do see him windup at times. He generally does a good job of keeping his hands inside.
Overall, Sherrod will eventually become a winning left tackle in the league. Some teams may start him off on the right side while he gains experience but he has the traits to play on the left side. The more tape I watched of this player the more I liked him. He has range and athleticism to go along with long arms…all traits needed to become an effective left tackle in the league

 

[UnoDallas]

Just out of curiosity who was the starting LT for USC this past season? Is he a senior? If u always put your premier tackle on the left side, as has been duly stated, then why didn't USC play smith there? Not trying to be a ******** just asking? Could he not beat this cat out? We're supposed to draft a LT AT 9 that can't even start at LT own his own college team? I'm being serious. What's the deal?

It is still an issue with some skeptics who wonder why Smith was relegated to the right side, yet is such a highly regarded prospect. The answer is pretty simple - both guys are very talented and in the USC offense, it wasn't that big of a deal. Smith probably would not start immediately in most systems, especially on the left side, but his development could be sped up if he lands on a team running a zone-blocking scheme which he worked in at USC.

 

[UnoDallas]

this is the way I rank the OTs - I still want Sherrod

1Tyron Smith, OT, USC -

Left tackle potential
Plenty of upside

It is still an issue with some skeptics who wonder why Smith was relegated to the right side, yet is such a highly regarded prospect. The answer is pretty simple - both guys are very talented and in the USC offense, it wasn't that big of a deal. Smith probably would not start immediately in most systems, especially on the left side, but his development could be sped up if he lands on a team running a zone-blocking scheme which he worked in at USC.

2 Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
Coveted height and size
Able to play left tackle
Skilled pass blocker
Protects edge rushers well
Can mirror defenders in space
Gets to second level and blocks downfield
Intelligent and very high character
Tons of experience against top competition

3 Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

JG has Chryst of Wis talking in his ear
Excellent run blocker
Powerful
Heavy hands
Tenacious
Very good size, strength and bulk
Good straight-line athlete
Intelligent; doesn't miss assignments
Flashes an impressive play every so often in pass pro
Quick in getting to the second level
Adequate in pass protection to play RT at next level

now I be happy with any of those three


4 Anthony Costanzo, OT, Boston College
Very intelligent with good technique
Mirrors defenders well
Athletic and agile
Gets to second level
Would excel in zone-blocking scheme
Durable 4-year starter - three at left tackle
High character

 

[28 Joker]

He was the #1 offensive tackle recruit in the country coming out of high school. He came to USC as a freshman he was behind incumbant starter Charles Brown, who was a 2nd round pick in last year's draft. USC moved Smith to right tackle to get him on the field as a sophomore. He stayed at right tackle last year as a 19 year old junior where he was first team all Pac-10 and worn the Morris Trophy for the best offensive lineman in the conference, as voted on by the Pac 10 football coaches. He declared for the draft early, and just turned 20 in December.

I really like Lane Kiffin's offense, because he commits to the running game. His running game is physical. If anyone knows anything about USC's scheme and what they value in the running game and look at Smith, they will see how valuable he was at USC. The PAC TEN has more speed on defense than the Big Ten does (it's a speed conference), and Smith only gave up 2 sacks last year.

People willing to settle for Carimi are way over rating Doug Free and undervaluing Smith, who by tomorrow, will most likely have created a gap the size of the Grand Canyon, between himself and every offensive linemen in this class.

 

[28 Joker]

Considering guys like Jim Harbaugh and Mike Riley thought Smith was the best offensive lineman in the entire Pac-10 last year, I think he could have played left tackle if that's what the USC coaches wanted. The truth is there was a ton of turmoil on the USC OL after they lost 3 of their 5 starters from the year before, and USC needed a some anchors and consistency on the OL and kept Smith where he was comfortable. Again, the RT vs. LT is really overblown by fans desperately clinging onto easy, antiquated archetypes they can get their heads around, when in truth you need both tackles to be good pass protectors in modern era football. Kalil struggled early in the season, but improved as the year went along. I highly doubt he'll be a Top 5 pick.

Great counter points....


Clay Matthews VS Gabe Carmi....Hmmmm....

Carimi was listed at 327 at Wisconsin and showed up at the combine at 314. Will he lose his power as a run blocker (his calling card), because this isn't a guy who will excel in space (run or pass) in the NFL according to most draft experts. Carimi is as good as he is going to get, and he isn't going to "add athleticism". In fact, he may get beat with power due to being lighter if his feet don't get him into position quick enough. Carimi is a second round player, with late first round value in this draft, imo.

I read about getting that extra third rounder in a trade down to the early to mid teens...

Derek Ross, Robert Brewster, Jason Williams, James Marten, Jason Hatcher... All recent third round picks... Jason Witten was a fluke, because he shouldn't have been there to begin with. Recent odds don't favor you in round 3. Is that extra third rounder worth it? If you like Gabe Carimi, I guess it is... How did 2009 work out for the Cowboys (Brewster and Williams)? Look at those names in round three picked by Dallas.

Now, I'm supposed to give up a blue chip, cornerstone offensive linemen like Tyron Smith, so I can get an extra third round pick (who might turn out to be Robert "Buster" and settle for inferior player like Gabe Carimi. You don't get too many chances to draft offensive tackles like Tyron Smith, and Dallas rarely picks in the top 10.

I don't think so.

I'll stick at 9 and take the best offensive linemen in this draft and be happy to take one shot in the second and third rounds, where the odds of success are not good if you look at Dallas' recent third round history.

 

[28 Joker]

The Green Bay Packers (the NFL Champions and on the verge of a Dynasty) sat at 9 and picked B.J. Raiji. They didn't get greedy by moving up or down. They didn't trade down to pick an inferior player, just so they could pick up an extra 3rd or 2nd round pick. You are already in good position to get a good value at 40 and 71. When you give away a superior player, one of the best players in the draft, so you can get an extra pick in an area of inferior players (2nd or 3rd round), your bust risk increases significantly, for the sake of filling need. Now, you have to hit on two second or third round picks, instead of one in each round. Plus, Smith is a blue chip, cornerstone player who plays one of the lowest bust rate positions in the NFL, offensive tackle.

This is nothing more than a conflict of draft philosophy.