Carson Wentz

I think Lynch has far more upside. He's a bit deceptive because he throws a lot of WR screens, but if you notice most of them are longer throws than they appear because they are coming from the opposite hashmark.

The other part with Lynch is that his supporting talent is pretty lousy. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't see anybody on Memphis' offense making the NFL. His receivers don't catch well and don't get open and his O-Line doesn't block well.

The only thing that concerns me about Lynch is that he rarely throws deep pass patterns because the O-Line isn't good enough to protect and his WR's can't get open. I'd like to see more of those throws, but since I haven't I'm a little skeptical. But not that much.

Wentz looks like he has the tools, although I worry about his pocket presence and how he will react to tougher competition. Memphis does play some legit competition like Ole Miss, Houston, Temple, Navy, etc. I just see far more upside with Lynch than I do Wentz. I see Lynch more along the lines of Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger. And with offenses going to more short pass patterns, I think he's well suited for that.




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I watched two games with Lynch this year. I think he is one of those guys that will check off the measurable boxes but hard to tell because of that gimmicky screen pass offense if those accuracy numbers would be the same with more downfield passes. Can see he has the arm when he needs it but will he become checkdown charlie or is it just the offense. I look forward to the draft process with all of these guys. I like to see them interviewed just to see how they carry themselves too. We as fans will never be privy to all the background personality info. So we take what we can get as far as off field info.
 
To me, watching a few videos of each .... Lynch checks off all the measurable boxes. Big. Strong arm. Prototype guy. But he does run a screen-pass offense. And his receivers seem to always be wide open. What's hard about judging college quarterbacks, to me, is that college receivers are so much better than college cornerbacks. That gap narrows at the pro level. So I chose to watch Lynch play against Mississippi State, an SEC team, so the gap wouldn't be as large. In that game, Lynch had more troubles hitting targets downfield, although he did throw one beautiful touchdown pass that was right where it needed to be. At other times, though, he couldn't accurately drop the ball in over the outside shoulder on sideline patterns. That was the throw that I wanted to see him make, and at least on that day he couldn't do it. He seems fast for his size at the college level, but he runs in a straight-up posture with good straight-line speed. I'm not sure 1) if that would translate well to being able to run zone-read at the pro level and 2) whether he's that fast in pro terms. We'll find out more about the latter at the Combine, one suspects, if he runs.

Watching Wentz ... the game is slower at that level. But his receivers are usually better covered. And I liked his ball placement - usually in a place where his receivers can make a play but the defender can't. As a runner, he runs like a halfback - bent knees, low to the ground, able to make cutbacks. Obviously, coming from a small school, it will be a big step up in the pros to being able to process the game speed. But if he can, then I think he can be better than Lynch.

You wonder certain things about Goff - size, arm strength, etc. But his ball placement is superior. He always seems to throw it accurately to the correct place, over the correct shoulder, etc. I also want a qb who can run, so that we can incorporate zone-read into our offense and play like a modern team. I'm not quite sure about whether Goff can do that.

To me, once you have a certain level of physical ability (enough size, enough arm, etc.) a lot of quarterbacking is reading the defense and putting the ball in the right place. With Goff, I wonder about 1 but am secure in 2. With Lynch, I'm certain about 1 but wonder about 2. With Wentz, I like both 1 and 2 but wonder if he can bring it to the top level.
 
I think after our 2 year experiment with the spread offense kid from West Texas, with no jump in progress toward progressing thru reads, sticking a ball into tight routes...........I just think the Cowboys will hesitate to throw a top 5 picks at the 2 top QBs that feature more of the same....

now that being said............is it a college career as a spread offense QB..........or is it Garretts scheme that prevents most anyone from succeeding in it except a top 5 level QB. Vrs...now say Denver who is able to bring a 3 yr understudy in and he takes hold of that scheme nicely
 
I think KB1122 nailed it. . Yes Wentz is playing against less talented players but his receivers are being pretty well covered and he's making Damn good throws. . He looks big too and runs well. I like him
 
I think KB1122 nailed it. . Yes Wentz is playing against less talented players but his receivers are being pretty well covered and he's making Damn good throws. . He looks big too and runs well. I like him

I like that he comes out of a pro-set system.........I see Derek Carr as the only spread offense QB in the NFL that has been able to shake off the ingrained lack of reading a defense, progressing thru receivers and making a good decision in 1.5 seconds as Romo puts it.........
 
To me, watching a few videos of each .... Lynch checks off all the measurable boxes. Big. Strong arm. Prototype guy. But he does run a screen-pass offense. And his receivers seem to always be wide open. What's hard about judging college quarterbacks, to me, is that college receivers are so much better than college cornerbacks. That gap narrows at the pro level. So I chose to watch Lynch play against Mississippi State, an SEC team, so the gap wouldn't be as large. In that game, Lynch had more troubles hitting targets downfield, although he did throw one beautiful touchdown pass that was right where it needed to be. At other times, though, he couldn't accurately drop the ball in over the outside shoulder on sideline patterns. That was the throw that I wanted to see him make, and at least on that day he couldn't do it. He seems fast for his size at the college level, but he runs in a straight-up posture with good straight-line speed. I'm not sure 1) if that would translate well to being able to run zone-read at the pro level and 2) whether he's that fast in pro terms. We'll find out more about the latter at the Combine, one suspects, if he runs.

Watching Wentz ... the game is slower at that level. But his receivers are usually better covered. And I liked his ball placement - usually in a place where his receivers can make a play but the defender can't. As a runner, he runs like a halfback - bent knees, low to the ground, able to make cutbacks. Obviously, coming from a small school, it will be a big step up in the pros to being able to process the game speed. But if he can, then I think he can be better than Lynch.

You wonder certain things about Goff - size, arm strength, etc. But his ball placement is superior. He always seems to throw it accurately to the correct place, over the correct shoulder, etc. I also want a qb who can run, so that we can incorporate zone-read into our offense and play like a modern team. I'm not quite sure about whether Goff can do that.

To me, once you have a certain level of physical ability (enough size, enough arm, etc.) a lot of quarterbacking is reading the defense and putting the ball in the right place. With Goff, I wonder about 1 but am secure in 2. With Lynch, I'm certain about 1 but wonder about 2. With Wentz, I like both 1 and 2 but wonder if he can bring it to the top level.

Agreed on all counts. You nailed it with the last paragraph.
 
Man I would really love to get Wentz in the 2nd round but after the Derreck Carr debacle I don't think teams are going to let him slide. I think when its all said and done Wentz will be a first round pick.
 
Man I would really love to get Wentz in the 2nd round but after the Derreck Carr debacle I don't think teams are going to let him slide. I think when its all said and done Wentz will be a first round pick.

Not unless he absolutely blows it up at combine. This draft is not a great QB draft. Lots of the big names will be drafted lower than projected, and for good reason.
 
Lynch = Cam Newton/Big Ben. Huge athletic guy. May be inconsistent on accuracy. Can shake off tackles and has an arm.

Wentz = ?? Harder to say because he's played so little QB. 1.5 FCS seasons (at absurd level tho) and 1 year of HS. You'd have a hard time selling him to me as a good reader of defenses versus spread guys who've played 4 or 5x as much football at a much higher level than FCS or whatever HS is like in his home state.

Goff = Carr. Accurate, pre-snap/early read guy.
 
My biggest concern with Wentz - and why I think he'd be a great development guy later in round 1 but won't move up - is that he has really poor footwork at times and throws off his back foot a TON.

In this video, throws like the one at 1:20 and 1:55 and 3:20 are what show he has the physical talent to be an NFL QB, but at 2:12, 3:35 and 5:54 he has poor footwork which causes him to just kind of shotput the ball and make him inaccurate.

These things to me, are correctable, but they'll take time. That's why a) he makes a lot more sense for a team like the Cowboys that has a QB than a team like Houston b) you want to take him in the first round to get the extra year of the rookie contract and c) he's got the upside to fully warrant a first round pick anyways.
 
Not unless he absolutely blows it up at combine. This draft is not a great QB draft. Lots of the big names will be drafted lower than projected, and for good reason.

I doubt it. QBs get over drafted every year. This year will be the same.
 
Just wanted to share my 2 cents in this thread.

I have been to Fargo a few times to watch the Bison play the last 3 seasons.
People in the area have spoken highly of Wentz since he was a backup to Brock Jensen. It was clear then he had an NFL caliber arm and he just needed to wait for his turn in the program. Since he took over as QB he has been a consistent winner and the game never looked too big for him, even with huge expectations to win it all his first year as starter (which they did).

Obviously there is a lot to like with Wentz. He has great size, very strong arm, character/smarts and plays in a real pro style offense. He is more mobile than many people are going to give him credit for. He has a knack for picking up first downs with his legs like Jensen did before him.

He would definitely benefit from a year or two on the pine, but that is exactly what we want if we draft a young QB to groom behind Romo.

To those of you worried he played for a small school, I wouldn't sweat it. NDSU has been playing at high level for several years now (the wins over d1 programs make that pretty obvious). They clearly know how to develop talent. Just look at the guys they have put in the NFL lately like Marcus Williams (Jets) Kyle Emanuel (Chargers) and Billy Turner (Fins). I was hoping we would take a shot at their RB John Crockett as an UDFA last season but the Packers snatched him up.


The thing is we could end up with a top 5 pick. Do we gamble and hope Wentz drops to the second round?

I haven't watched enough of Lynch to say which QB i like more, but I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Wentz in the first or second round.
 
Man I would really love to get Wentz in the 2nd round but after the Derreck Carr debacle I don't think teams are going to let him slide. I think when its all said and done Wentz will be a first round pick.

Me too. If Bosa is not there, I would not mind trading back several times and add some picks. Then with the extra picks, get back in the bottom of the 1st to grab him. We get an extra year. The only problem is the Texans might grab him with first pick or he doesn't fall to the bottom of the 1st.
 
Me too. If Bosa is not there, I would not mind trading back several times and add some picks. Then with the extra picks, get back in the bottom of the 1st to grab him. We get an extra year. The only problem is the Texans might grab him with first pick or he doesn't fall to the bottom of the 1st.

Hackenberg is all but a Houston Texan already imo. And Wentz should be there in the late 1st. He's not even a top 50 prospect on most analysts and scouts boards. He's more of a project that has a lot of potential. But bc he's a QB, he'll be over-drafted by someone in that early-2nd round range. Could be us.
 
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Hackenberg is all but a Houston Texan already imo. And Wentz should be there in the late 1st. He's not even a top 50 prospect on most analysts and scouts boards. He's more of a project that has a lot of potential. But bc he's a QB, he'll be over-drafted by someone in that early-2nd round range. Could be us.

Hope you're right.
 
I think after our 2 year experiment with the spread offense kid from West Texas, with no jump in progress toward progressing thru reads, sticking a ball into tight routes...........I just think the Cowboys will hesitate to throw a top 5 picks at the 2 top QBs that feature more of the same....

now that being said............is it a college career as a spread offense QB..........or is it Garretts scheme that prevents most anyone from succeeding in it except a top 5 level QB. Vrs...now say Denver who is able to bring a 3 yr understudy in and he takes hold of that scheme nicely

We had 2 backups in Kitna and Orton who were mid level starters come in and be effective in this scheme ( granted Orton only played one game) I don't think the scheme needs a top 5 QB as much as outside Romo and those two we have not had NFL caliber players at that position. I think there is a steep drop off in Kitna and Orton to Cassel and Weeden
 
Just wanted to share my 2 cents in this thread.

I have been to Fargo a few times to watch the Bison play the last 3 seasons.
People in the area have spoken highly of Wentz since he was a backup to Brock Jensen. It was clear then he had an NFL caliber arm and he just needed to wait for his turn in the program. Since he took over as QB he has been a consistent winner and the game never looked too big for him, even with huge expectations to win it all his first year as starter (which they did).

Obviously there is a lot to like with Wentz. He has great size, very strong arm, character/smarts and plays in a real pro style offense. He is more mobile than many people are going to give him credit for. He has a knack for picking up first downs with his legs like Jensen did before him.

He would definitely benefit from a year or two on the pine, but that is exactly what we want if we draft a young QB to groom behind Romo.

To those of you worried he played for a small school, I wouldn't sweat it. NDSU has been playing at high level for several years now (the wins over d1 programs make that pretty obvious). They clearly know how to develop talent. Just look at the guys they have put in the NFL lately like Marcus Williams (Jets) Kyle Emanuel (Chargers) and Billy Turner (Fins). I was hoping we would take a shot at their RB John Crockett as an UDFA last season but the Packers snatched him up.


The thing is we could end up with a top 5 pick. Do we gamble and hope Wentz drops to the second round?

I haven't watched enough of Lynch to say which QB i like more, but I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Wentz in the first or second round.

Thanks for the insight. Good info.
 
Just wanted to share my 2 cents in this thread.

I have been to Fargo a few times to watch the Bison play the last 3 seasons.
People in the area have spoken highly of Wentz since he was a backup to Brock Jensen. It was clear then he had an NFL caliber arm and he just needed to wait for his turn in the program. Since he took over as QB he has been a consistent winner and the game never looked too big for him, even with huge expectations to win it all his first year as starter (which they did).

Obviously there is a lot to like with Wentz. He has great size, very strong arm, character/smarts and plays in a real pro style offense. He is more mobile than many people are going to give him credit for. He has a knack for picking up first downs with his legs like Jensen did before him.

He would definitely benefit from a year or two on the pine, but that is exactly what we want if we draft a young QB to groom behind Romo.

To those of you worried he played for a small school, I wouldn't sweat it. NDSU has been playing at high level for several years now (the wins over d1 programs make that pretty obvious). They clearly know how to develop talent. Just look at the guys they have put in the NFL lately like Marcus Williams (Jets) Kyle Emanuel (Chargers) and Billy Turner (Fins). I was hoping we would take a shot at their RB John Crockett as an UDFA last season but the Packers snatched him up.


The thing is we could end up with a top 5 pick. Do we gamble and hope Wentz drops to the second round?

I haven't watched enough of Lynch to say which QB i like more, but I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Wentz in the first or second round.

Lots of good stuff, Great to have you in N.Dak---what bring here? I see Wentz having to work on pocket awareness, not to always take off and run, but develop that nice little slide step that A.Rogers and Rothlesburger etc do to sidestep the rush. But the Bison do run a WCO along the lines of Steve Youngs 49rs where the want the QB to be a run threat and keep a defender out of a drop. He will take some grooming, but will progress faster than most with his aptitude and pro-set offense experience. Of the other 2 higher rated qB's I am gunshy of the low percent of Spread Offense QB that have succeeded in the NFL.....
 

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