Twitter: CBs: Lowest/Highest Burn Percentages

[jobberone]

Such an underrated player. Had a heck of a career. I was a big fan since the day we drafted him.

And many here said he could still play although he played injured a lot of his last years here.

 

[dogunwo]

Ramsey at 65 percent.....wow

I don't believe ol Gil there. Right here on this board I read Ramsey was dominating. So the stat must be misleading.

 

[dogunwo]

And yet there are still some saying we made a mistake in picking Elliott over him.

I am a little surprised at your take here. Is it reactionary? Or do you just believe in a top 5 RB over a top 5 CB?

If I remember correctly, you wanted Bosa.

 

[Alexander]

I am a little surprised at your take here. Is it reactionary? Or do you just believe in a top 5 RB over a top 5 CB?

If I remember correctly, you wanted Bosa.

No, Elliott over the other two.

 

[ConceptCoop]

And yet there are still some saying we made a mistake in picking Elliott over him.

Can anyone show me a single poster who said Ramsey would be better in the first year? I hope that I, and the rest of the Ramsey camp, end up being wrong. But our argument was never that Ramsey helps more day one. It was that RBs have a shorter, more injury prone shelf-life, and are easier to replace. Thus, are not worth the #4 overall pick.

And Ramsey is having a good rookie year. I have no idea what the hell that stat is, but it can't be too damning if Joe Hayden is on the list.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I think he had a burn rate of like 90% when he was here.

The guy was the best corner we've had since Dion. He made two pro-bowls and was robbed of another.

 

[Alexander]

And Ramsey is having a good rookie year. I have no idea what the hell that stat is, but it can't be too damning if Joe Hayden is on the list.

Ramsey's achievement is getting into a Twitter war with Steve Smith. Otherwise, he certainly has not done much to improve the Jaguars' defense.

And the idea was between the two, who makes their team better. I guess it is convenient now to talk about shelf life.

Sad to say, CB longevity is not a lot better than RBs. Go back to 2013, 2012. How many of those DBs earned second contracts with their original teams? I don't get that concept that you draft for contract length. The salary cap basically makes this a game like college, four years and you are up unless they are a star.

 

[ConceptCoop]

He has barely been targeted and has allowed only short catches. According to PFF's data --

Week 1 against Green Bay -- allowed 3 of 4 for 25 yards.

Week 2 against San Diego -- allowed 3 of 5 for 25 yards

Week 3 against Baltimore -- allowed 4 of 6 for 13 yards

Ramsey played all but three snaps in those games, against Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers and Joe Flacco, who threw 34, 25 and 40 passes, respectively. He allowed 10 catches on 15 attempts (a "burn rate" of 66.7%) -- but only 6.3 yards per catch, 4.2 yards per attempt, 21.0 yards per game and less than 0.65 yards per opponent pass attempt. All of those numbers are very, very good.

I don't have the Week 4 numbers from PFF, but Andrew Luck threw 42 passes for 234 yards (5.6 YPA).

And according to this, he has the most tackles without a miss in the NFL.
http://blackandteal.com/2016/10/13/jalen-ramsey-richard-sherman-better/

 

[ConceptCoop]

Sad to say, CB longevity is not a lot better than RBs.

100% false.

...he certainly has not done much to improve the Jaguars' defense.

"It is the play of a shutdown corner like Ramsey that helps the Jaguars elevate the defense into being a top-10 unit in a number of categories. Heading into Week 6, the Jags are seventh overall, seventh against the pass, 14th against the run, and fourth in opposing drives ending in a score. That’s a massive improvement after three seasons that were historically bad for the franchise."

Maybe just don't talk about things you don't know.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I am a little surprised at your take here. Is it reactionary? Or do you just believe in a top 5 RB over a top 5 CB?

If I remember correctly, you wanted Bosa.

Bosa wasn't there for us to pick though. Just saying

 

[gimmesix]

Newman was averaging a little over $4.5 million on his last Cowboys contract but his cap hit had reached 8 million. He's been averaging around $2.5 million for the bengals and now vikings since being released.

Yes, Dallas would have needed to talk him into re-signing for less, which might have been impossible to do. Certainly, Dallas shouldn't have tried to continue paying him a high salary, but I wanted the team to at least offer him similar to what he received from the Bengals because I felt he was still showing enough when healthy to be a solid third corner.

It's the same way I felt about Ware while understanding that health/age compared to salary was the reason for not attempting to retain either one of them.

 

[Plankton]

And Ramsey is having a good rookie year. I have no idea what the hell that stat is, but it can't be too damning if Joe Hayden is on the list.

He isn't.

They are referring to D.J. Hayden, former first rounder of the Raiders.

 

[dogunwo]

Can anyone show me a single poster who said Ramsey would be better in the first year? I hope that I, and the rest of the Ramsey camp, end up being wrong. But our argument was never that Ramsey helps more day one. It was that RBs have a shorter, more injury prone shelf-life, and are easier to replace. Thus, are not worth the #4 overall pick.

And Ramsey is having a good rookie year. I have no idea what the hell that stat is, but it can't be too damning if Joe Hayden is on the list.

Joe Hayden was toasted a couple times on Sunday on deep receptions. So he may be an awesome player by reputation, but he has gotten burnt a few times this year.

 

[Verdict]

I prefer yards per pass attempt counting ALL of the attempts for which the DB was on the field. If a cornerback plays an entire game in man-to-man with the opponent throwing 40 passes but is targeted only once for a 9-yard catch, he almost certainly played at an elite level. But his "burn percentage" was 100 percent, and his YPA was 9.0, both of which are terrible. Never mind that he completely shut down the opponent and allowed 0.225 yards per opponent pass attempt, which is insanely good.

I think that your position on this makes a lot of sense. It isn't foolproof, obviously, but, it does make some sense, especially if it is used in conjunction with other statistics. Statistics are used to help quantify what you are seeing with your own eyes. When there is a conflict between stats and my eyes though, I will go with my eyes every time.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I never in my life disliked a draft pick more than Claiborne but I'm happy he's finally playing well. Keep feedin me crow Claiborne

 

[Alexander]

100% false.

Prove it. Most go on to other teams because, well, teams are insane and think corners make the difference.

That might explain why Darrelle Revis has been paid millions by multiple teams and now is considered a wash out.

"It is the play of a shutdown corner like Ramsey that helps the Jaguars elevate the defense into being a top-10 unit in a number of categories. Heading into Week 6, the Jags are seventh overall, seventh against the pass, 14th against the run, and fourth in opposing drives ending in a score. That’s a massive improvement after three seasons that were historically bad for the franchise."

Maybe just don't talk about things you don't know.

Whoa. I love how the narrative changes depending on perspective.

So, Elliott has not elevated this offense to a new level, but Ramsey, with his burn rate, has some how propelled the woeful Jags D to a new level?

So Elliott has done nothing for the offensive production?

Are you really going to go there?

Perhaps you maybe just should not talk about things you don't know, like what makes a winning football team.

Last time I checked the Cowboys were on the upswing because of their first round pick.

The Jaguars. Well, there you go.

 

[RamziD]

He has barely been targeted and has allowed only short catches. According to PFF's data --

Week 1 against Green Bay -- allowed 3 of 4 for 25 yards.

Week 2 against San Diego -- allowed 3 of 5 for 25 yards

Week 3 against Baltimore -- allowed 4 of 6 for 13 yards

Ramsey played all but three snaps in those games, against Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers and Joe Flacco, who threw 34, 25 and 40 passes, respectively. He allowed 10 catches on 15 attempts (a "burn rate" of 66.7%) -- but only 6.3 yards per catch, 4.2 yards per attempt, 21.0 yards per game and less than 0.65 yards per opponent pass attempt. All of those numbers are very, very good.

I don't have the Week 4 numbers from PFF, but Andrew Luck threw 42 passes for 234 yards (5.6 YPA).

Awesome stats, thank you. Would you mind doing the same for Claiborne so we can compare?

 

[gmoney112]

Good for Mo. His play has definitely helped us reach this point. Only negative is every game he plays well means more FA dollars. Boooo.

Looks like Ramsey will be a player too. Bosa also had an impressive showing recently.

Still happy with Zeke. Was against the pick at the time, but surrounding your future (and present QB) with a young star studded cast on the OL, WR, and now tailback, well you can't really complain about that. Dude is tougher than I thought, and his pass protection is top notch. I'm happy to be wrong.

 

[Nightman]

He isn't.

They are referring to D.J. Hayden, former first rounder of the Raiders.

Exactly, Joe HADEN is the CLE CB

 

[Nightman]

I prefer yards per pass attempt counting ALL of the attempts for which the DB was on the field. If a cornerback plays an entire game in man-to-man with the opponent throwing 40 passes but is targeted only once for a 9-yard catch, he almost certainly played at an elite level. But his "burn percentage" was 100 percent, and his YPA was 9.0, both of which are terrible. Never mind that he completely shut down the opponent and allowed 0.225 yards per opponent pass attempt, which is insanely good.

Does any site provide that stat for free?