Ceedee Lamb a true 1

[Qcard]

Anyone still not happy with what he has done? Since Dak has been back the guy has been once of the best in the NFL. Moore putting him in motion on most plays its almost like he cant be stopped.

I have him as a top 10 WR, but outside the elite top 5 at this point.

Agreed!!

Lamb has Matured into a Focus for the defenses per the double and bracket coverages.

I just hope CeeDee Lamb is low Key pissed by all the OBJ talk .... that's Lamb's $$$!!

Alpha mentality kicks in..

 

[CowboyRoy]

Those results you are talking about are mainly all because of Pollard and our defense

They have zero to do w Schultz or these tes. And just a little to do w any of our receivers. But yes CeeDee is a better receiver.
Who knows how great last year's team woulda been w our defense and featuring Pollard.

We may have the #1 offense statistically

But My question is are those statistics good enough to beat Sf, Tampa, or Philly who are either trending higher or beat us outright

Statististics don't win playoff games players do.

If we had beaten Philly, Tampa or Sf I would feel the same as you but we got beat pretty handily by all three that improved also

You have to at least conceed head to head matchup losses vs ytd stats right??

One of the big reasons I thought we would have no problem moving on from Cooper was Pollard. They just needed to get him more involved. I also think the TE's have been incredible in the run game and blocking. Shultz, although not as dynamic a season with the injury still has key catches and every third game he has a nice game.

As far as SF I have not been convinced we can beat that team. I will believe it when I see it. Eagles we can beat and Tampa hell yes. But again, doesnt mean we will.

Philly I actually wasnt too impressed when they played us but they are a very tough out.

I would like a playoff scenario where we go into Tampa opening week then goto Philly the following week. Keep SF out of it as long as possible.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Agreed!!

Lamb has Matured into a Focus for the defenses per the double and bracket coverages.

I just hope CeeDee Lamb is low Key pissed by all the OBJ talk .... that's Lamb's $$$!!

Alpha mentality kicks in..

yep we can put to bed the notion that Ceedee was good because Cooper was taking away all the attention.

 

[CowboysExchange]

yep we can put to bed the notion that Ceedee was good because Cooper was taking away all the attention.

Yes we can put that notion to rest. CeeDee is doing great as the #1

Its Schultz and Gallop who were the biggest beneficiaries of having Cooper. Trading cooper didn't make us better

The improvement of our defense and Pollard busting off 20+ yard runs have been the difference maker this year
He coulda been doing that the last 2 years.

Cooper may have been a 20 million second #1/#2 wr but several teams have that dynamic.

He's still better than gallop and and Brown and woulda gave us the best shot against Deebo and auyuk, aj brown and smith, and Evans, Godwin Jones

Look at KC wrs, Miami,

They are all better than ours.

20 million for cooper isn't much compared to some teams. Miami has Tyreek a 31 million cap hit Js

 

[CowboysExchange]

One of the big reasons I thought we would have no problem moving on from Cooper was Pollard. They just needed to get him more involved. I also think the TE's have been incredible in the run game and blocking. Shultz, although not as dynamic a season with the injury still has key catches and every third game he has a nice game.

As far as SF I have not been convinced we can beat that team. I will believe it when I see it. Eagles we can beat and Tampa hell yes. But again, doesnt mean we will.

Philly I actually wasnt too impressed when they played us but they are a very tough out.

I would like a playoff scenario where we go into Tampa opening week then goto Philly the following week. Keep SF out of it as long as possible.

I'm not convinced at all we can beat Tampa, Philly, or Sf

Not after the head to head matchups.

Philly has improved a ton with AJ Brown

We had a better team than Tampa Bay and Brady won 2 yrs straight.

And sf got Mccaffery and beat us handily in the playoffs w just mainly deebo.

I think we're better off drawing Kirk cousins and the Vikes

Then maybe Tampa or Philly.

And sf last of all.

I'm also concerned about losing Anthony brown

But we fixing to play Philly again and see how we fair on turf.

I think we have a shot on turf at home but as Ive elaborated many times we are not a team w a good grass pedigree.

I hate Philly but whoever we play on grass is where I'm betting all my cheese lol js

We're like the old oiler Detroit regimes that always plays better on turf.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes we can put that notion to rest. CeeDee is doing great as the #1

Its Schultz and Gallop who were the biggest beneficiaries of having Cooper. Trading cooper didn't make us better

The improvement of our defense and Pollard busting off 20+ yard runs have been the difference maker this year
He coulda been doing that the last 2 years.

Cooper may have been a 20 million second #1/#2 wr but several teams have that dynamic.

He's still better than gallop and and Brown and woulda gave us the best shot against Deebo and auyuk, aj brown and smith, and Evans, Godwin Jones

Look at KC wrs, Miami,

They are all better than ours.

20 million for cooper isn't much compared to some teams. Miami has Tyreek a 31 million cap hit Js

Getting rid of cooper was a 3 year decision. The team is better using the money on defense and resigning other guys. Cooper is not missed as lamb is easily taking his place.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Getting rid of cooper was a 3 year decision. The team is better using the money on defense and resigning other guys. Cooper is not missed as lamb is easily taking his place.

Yeah but gallop is not filling coopers shoes, and Noah brown is not filling gallops shoes

You seem to be focussing on the #1 wr role not the whole wr tandem and I conceded that CeeDee should be the #1 wr

I'm not even a huge cooper fan. I just think trading cooper and not replacing him was a boneheaded move going back to when they did it.

They used the Gregory money to sign Armstrong and barr and their safety.

That cooper money went to sign Schultz whose just a non factor and James Washington

I woulda took any of those fa wrs not just coop. But he had like 1000 yards and 7 tds

And Schultz turned back into a frog like I predicted without Cooper

Coopers contract was year to year because he was through w guarantees. Just had to pay the 20 million or renegotiate the contract to lower the cap hit.

We basically signed Schultz
over keeping Coop. Thinking all the other wrs would get better and why CeeDee did improve into the #1 wr the other guys didn't

That's why there was no separation when we played Philly who went up on us 20-3 by halftime

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I said he's a 1. Just amari still better. That last part bothers you

Just about everything bothers him. That's why he's one of the main bullies here.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes we can put that notion to rest. CeeDee is doing great as the #1

Its Schultz and Gallop who were the biggest beneficiaries of having Cooper. Trading cooper didn't make us better

The improvement of our defense and Pollard busting off 20+ yard runs have been the difference maker this year
He coulda been doing that the last 2 years.

Cooper may have been a 20 million second #1/#2 wr but several teams have that dynamic.

He's still better than gallop and and Brown and woulda gave us the best shot against Deebo and auyuk, aj brown and smith, and Evans, Godwin Jones

Look at KC wrs, Miami,

They are all better than ours.

20 million for cooper isn't much compared to some teams. Miami has Tyreek a 31 million cap hit Js

Nope. We were not as good run blocking last two years as we are now. Our o-line isn;t getting enough credit for Dak and Tony...and even zeke...ALL running better this year. Gonna give KM a little credit too for better schemes and substitutions.

Notice you dont; see Zeke's hand come up anymore? He doesn;t have to sub himself and tip off the defense...we finally have designed subs from the sidelines.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Nope. We were not as good run blocking last two years as we are now. Our o-line isn;t getting enough credit for Dak and Tony...and even zeke...ALL running better this year. Gonna give KM a little credit too for better schemes and substitutions.

Notice you dont; see Zeke's hand come up anymore? He doesn;t have to sub himself and tip off the defense...we finally have designed subs from the sidelines.

Ok our oline did improve running the ball but Pollard has been better than Zeke for 2 years because he has more out the gate and top end speed

Alot was on Tyron being hurt and Biadish improving

One thing I was wrong about was Tyron injury and the impact of Tyler Smith to replace him

But Schultz, Pollard, and Cooper (and Lost a step Zeke) I still feel pretty good I'm right about.

Pollard is still the lead back going back 2 years ago imo

 

[CWR]

Anyone still not happy with what he has done? Since Dak has been back the guy has been once of the best in the NFL. Moore putting him in motion on most plays its almost like he cant be stopped.

I have him as a top 10 WR, but outside the elite top 5 at this point.

What is really impressive is the numbers he's been able to generate without his starting QB for a chunk of his career.

Had Dak remained healthy, CD might be talked about a lot differently.

 

[CowboysExchange]

What is really impressive is the numbers he's been able to generate without his starting QB for a chunk of his career.

Had Dak remained healthy, CD might be talked about a lot differently.

and the oline has something to do w that also.

But as a wr core we still took a hit w/o Cooper

And Schultz isn't the reason for our better blocking.or receiving

Had our oline improved this year, Pollard got the respect and targets, and we kept Cooper we'd be in the Catbird seat rn imo

As I said a lot of the problems we had last year were rb and ol problems.

Now the problem is our wrs aren't getting the same separation

Go back and watch the Philly game. Rush played a great game considering his receivers were constantly not open.

I don't think Dak gets out of that game w/o a couple of picks imo I was impressed by rush's performance If your guys aren't open you have to thread the needle or go up top

Too bad we don't have a good athletic te that can catch a contested ball

That's why we need a trio of wrs not just a #1

Because all the other teams have that kind of weaponry at wr or they have a stud receiving te and some of those sb contenders have a QB that can beat the pressure and thread the needle better imo

Run Dak run

 

[CowboysExchange]

If we gonna beat a contender he better run better than Jalen Hurts js

Or better throw it up top and have faith in your guy because there's no speed mismatch at wr anymore

And that requires pinpoint accuracy or good running abilities js

I have to give hurts that respect. He may not be a top 10 QB but he has an edge on the other game mgr qbs because he's a pretty good runner and ya have to give credit to his oline and his abilities also.

Gotta give hurts his credit even if it hurts my big ego lol

Hes gonna be running on our carpet for Christmas. We gotta shot to bang him up good js

We have to stop Hurts, Sanders, Brown, Smith, Goedert and their 2nd te or 3rd wideout

They have a better passing oline, better wrs, better te, and a good running game mgr QB

And what's our firepower huh

Hurts has a little more wr than us and everything else is almost a wash

But thats the difference between being down 20-3 at halftime in Philly

 

[CWR]

and the oline has something to do w that also.

But as a wr core we still took a hit w/o Cooper

And Schultz isn't the reason for our better blocking.or receiving

Had our oline improved this year, Pollard got the respect and targets, and we kept Cooper we'd be in the Catbird seat rn imo

As I said a lot of the problems we had last year were rb and ol problems.

Now the problem is our wrs aren't getting the same separation

Go back and watch the Philly game. Rush played a great game considering his receivers were constantly not open.

I don't think Dak gets out of that game w/o a couple of picks imo I was impressed by rush's performance If your guys aren't open you have to thread the needle or go up top

Too bad we don't have a good athletic te that can catch a contested ball

That's why we need a trio of wrs not just a #1

Because all the other teams have that kind of weaponry at wr or they have a stud receiving te and some of those sb contenders have a QB that can beat the pressure and thread the needle better imo

Run Dak run

I actually think Gallup is a fine wr2. The young TEs are all proving to be capable.

I dont dismiss losing Coop is a hit to our talent level, but we negate that to an extent running 2 and 3 TE formations. 12 personnel has been our best formation going back the last 3 years or so. It also gets us running the ball more, which is key for this team and coordinator.

I'd like to see what type of separation guys like Washington and Turbin can get as well. Utilizing TP in the passing game helps also.

 

[CowboysExchange]

If I'm Philly and I though i had the division locked up I'd play my backups like last year

We def need to win out

 

[CowboysExchange]

I actually think Gallup is a fine wr2. The young TEs are all proving to be capable.

I dont dismiss losing Coop is a hit to our talent level, but we negate that to an extent running 2 and 3 TE formations. 12 personnel has been our best formation going back the last 3 years or so. It also gets us running the ball more, which is key for this team and coordinator.

I'd like to see what type of separation guys like Washington and Turbin can get as well. Utilizing TP in the passing game helps also.

Those tes are floundering as receivers against non division teams. They all are non factors who take what the NFC East division gives them

But outside of our division and in the playoffs those tes get us falling behind early because they fold like a cheap suit for 25 years That old scheme w that 12,13 personell has been trash for 2 decades with a bunch of blockers leading our offensive strategy.

All ya gotta do is stop Pollard or CeeDee and you'll win every game

Same w Dez and Murray

We gotta move towards perfecting our 11 personell

More of Fergie and hendershot doesn't equate to the firepower of a top trio of wrs

You're trying to have the best talent on the field and guys that can break tackles and score.

Something this te core has a problem with when the level of competition is stingy and won't give them any points

Same old strategy since Gronk and Hernandez was killing it.

Without the Gronk and Hernandez pedigree just a bunch of Jags

 

[CWR]

Those tes are floundering as receivers against non division teams. They all are non factors who take what the NFC East division gives them

But outside of our division and in the playoffs those tes get us falling behind early because they fold like a cheap suit for 25 years That old scheme w that 12,13 personell has been trash for 2 decades with a bunch of blockers leading our offensive strategy.

All you have to do is stop Pollard or CeeDee and you'll win every game

Same w Dez and Murray

We gotta move towards perfecting our 11 personell

More of Fergie and hendershot doesn't equate to the firepower of a top trio of wrs

You're trying to have the best talent on the field and guys that can break tackles and score.

Something this te core has a problem with when the level of competition is stingy and won't give them any points

For whatever reason, we have the most success in that formation. I understand the logic, but the numbers show otherwise. I'll see if I can find them updated for this year, though.

 

[CowboysExchange]

For whatever reason, we have the most success in that formation. I understand the logic, but the numbers show otherwise. I'll see if I can find them updated for this year, though.

The numbers may look good against Detroit, Chicago and our division

But you show me on paper some game changing plays by a DC Te and we'll stack them up against Coopers and I bet he has more than the 25 years worth of "CAPABLE" tes in that BIG BONEPILE OUT BACK THAT SCORED 1 PLAYOFF TD EVER!!! HA HA HA

And we still lost against Green Bay

Tyron could be the Designated te no farther than our tes are catching passes lmao hahaha

I betcha we'd have 10 more xs success

He's a better run blocker than all of these tes he'd eat em up head to head

Comparing having an AJ Brown or Cooper to a scheme w hendershot and Ferguson just sounds and looks fishy

It sounds like a downgrade to me. I think it sound, looks, smells, feels, and taste like a downgraded scheme

It seems to be magically working in the regular season for years.

But let's break out those playoff stats and see those first

 

[CowboysExchange]

I haven't forgotten those 1 and Done season as the top seed or higher seed either w this magical 2 te system lmao

I think cooper deserves a lot more credit considering he had to play w the Geoff swaims, washed up #82, and other non factor tes plus a banged up oline and a slow starting rb during his time here. Js

But ya gotta concede that he's still a #1 wr even if his ceiling isn't as high as Ceedess

 

[CWR]

The numbers may look good against Detroit, Chicago and our division

But you show me on paper some game changing plays by a DC Te and we'll stack them up against Coopers and I bet he has more than the 25 years worth of "CAPABLE" tes in that BIG BONEPILE OUT BACK THAT SCORED 1 PLAYOFF TD EVER!!! HA HA HA

And we still lost against Green Bay

Tyron could be the Designated te no farther than our tes are catching passes lmao hahaha

I betcha we'd have 10 more xs success

He's a better run blocker than all of these tes he'd eat em up head to head

Comparing having an AJ Brown or Cooper to a scheme w hendershot and Ferguson just sounds and looks fishy

It sounds like a downgrade to me. I think it sound, looks, smells, feels, and taste like a downgraded scheme

It seems to be magically working in the regular season for years.

But let's break out those playoff stats and see those first

Ah, I'm not crediting the TEs for those pop plays, but the formation, more so.

It could very well be CD or Gallup going off, or the RUN GAME. I see the logic in it helping the run game with the extra big bodies.