Ceedee Lamb a true 1

[CowboysExchange]

I'm not seeing the same separation or as often. You can measure that also

I know Dak would appreciate it and so would Schultzkowski

Run Dak run

 

[CWR]

I'm not gonna put all the blame on our defense because we're always down by 20 every playoff games.

I'ma lay in on the positions and players that have not been producing well.

The defense doesn't get a free pass but we put up zeros in the first half of alot of those games

Them playoff teams somehow know how to beat our 12 personnel scheme every time last I checked.

Why should they get a free pass to be subpar and not Kelce Gronk Kittle etc etc etc who y'all have in your fantasy leagues lmao

I already told you we didn't run 12 personell in the playoffs last year. After Jarwin was injured we went away from it. In fact we ran a lot of 3 wr formation with Coop, CD and Wilson. Guess what? We still sucked.

I'm all for having another elite receiver and was outspoken enough about my disappointment in trading Coop for peanuts.

That doesn't change facts, though.

I can promise you this much: your theory will be tested come playoffs this season because with the current group, odds are you are going to see it.

 

[CowboysExchange]

I already told you we didn't run 12 personell in the playoffs last year. After Jarwin was injured we went away from it. In fact we ran a lot of 3 wr formation with Coop, CD and Wilson. Guess what? We still sucked.

I'm all for having another elite receiver and was outspoken enough about my disappointment in trading Coop for peanuts.

That doesn't change facts, though.

I can promise you this much: your theory will be tested come playoffs this season because with the current group, odds are you are going to see it.

I've got 20 years worth of proof that these tes have never scored but one playoff TD out of all them playoff games

And we lost

These tes couldn't score on college teams much less these pros

Them playoff teams let our tes take what their defense gives them But they the ones going home w trophies and rings while we're crying on valentines because our beloved team lost and biggest most hated rivals won the division and or Superbowl

How did we all of a sudden jump over Philly when they 2.5 games ahead rn and beat us head to head and have home field advantage in the playoffs on grass

All I can say if we do meet Philly on that grass Dak better run or it's gonna Hurts

Just go up and catch it one time in the end zone and we'll have 2 tds in a playoff game in 20-25 years and tie the drought record lmao

Ha ha ha

 

[CowboysExchange]

But it's different players this year

Then we lose in the first round and it's everybody else's fault except those 2 Receiving tes who play a 135% of the snaps that couldn't even score against Boston College

Lol

Let's use this undrafted rookie and fourth round te over that #1 pick at wr and save 8 million said NO general mgr at any Superbowl Parade js

I can't turn these tes into playmakers and differencemakers

I cant bow down in disgust and say well at least we won the NFC East this year yet

 

[CWR]

I've got 20 years worth of proof that these tes have never scored but one playoff TD out of all them playoff games

And we lost

These tes couldn't score on college teams much less these pros

Them playoff teams let our tes take what their defense gives them But they the ones going home w trophies and rings while we're crying on valentines because our beloved team lost and biggest most hated rivals won the division and or Superbowl

How did we all of a sudden jump over Philly when they 2.5 games ahead rn and beat us head to head and have home field advantage in the playoffs on grass

All I can say if we do meet Philly on that grass Dak better run or it's gonna Hurts

Just go up and catch it one time in the end zone and we'll have 2 tds in a playoff game in 20-25 years and tie the drought record lmao

Ha ha ha

We weren't running 12 personnel as a staple back then.

Can you not remember the pissing and moaning Bennett used to do because he couldn't get playing time with Witten around?

It seems to me you have more of a problem with the guys we line up at TE, rather than the formation.

Your argument is with about 95% of the league since TEs are almost always involved in base formations. The list of Kelces is not long, but if we can get one I'd be 100% behind it.

I argued before that Schultz's success last year was in large because he was funneled the ball against defenses that had to account for Coop, CD, and Gallup.

 

[Stryker44]

Did he purposefully tank for the legendary Cooper Rush to get Dak back in the QB position?

 

[Bobhaze]

Anyone still not happy with what he has done? Since Dak has been back the guy has been once of the best in the NFL. Moore putting him in motion on most plays its almost like he cant be stopped.

I have him as a top 10 WR, but outside the elite top 5 at this point.

There is no doubt Cedee has developed a ton in the last two months.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Yeah

I already told you we didn't run 12 personell in the playoffs last year. After Jarwin was injured we went away from it. In fact we ran a lot of 3 wr formation with Coop, CD and Wilson. Guess what? We still sucked.

I'm all for having another elite receiver and was outspoken enough about my disappointment in trading Coop for peanuts.

That doesn't change facts, though.

I can promise you this much: your theory will be tested come playoffs this season because with the current group, odds are you are going to see it.

Jarwin came back and played 9 offensive snaps w one target zero catches

Sprinkle Played 4 off snaps

McKeon played 1 off snaps

Schultz played 58 off snaps

That has nothing to do w sts stats btw

Schultz had 7 catches 0 tds
Coop had 6 receptions 1 tds
Wilson 5 receptions 0 tds
Pollard 2 receptions 0 tds
Lamb 1 reception 0 tds
Malik Turner 1 reception 0 tds
Cj Goodwin 1 reception 0 tds

Dak went 23 of 43 but scored on a QB run

Schultz had 30% of the receptions 7 but no tds

A non scoring factor got 7 receptions

Cooper the guy yall voted off the island only got 6 receptions but he scored the only TD besides Dak

If Schultz woulda got all 23 receptions and it prolly woulda been 23-9 vs 23-17

These tes ain't scoring beans in the playoffs at the big boy level

You know it's sad but trueeeee

 

[CowboysExchange]

They been running that 12 since Gronk and Hernandez started it 2010 or 11

Before that they ran a fb scheme

They almost never let Bennett play w/o #82 in on the play. Never!! Esp in the red zone #82 wasn't having it

Bennett was mainly the blocker too

Witten was in in prime and wouldn't come off the field so it stunted everyone else at te as a receiver

Bennett always was outspoken about the cowboys afterwords too that they chose #82

When they cut Bennett is when I became more critical of our te core and it just escaleted over the past 7-8-9-10 years of losing.

I thought Bennett was a better receiver by a longshot

 

[ghst187]

Wrong.

lol it’s 1000% correct

 

[Blackspider214]

To be a legit 1 WR, you need to prove it over time. Not just a portion of one season. He still has a lot to prove. He might be our best WR but true #1 WRs take over a game and teams gameplan to take you out the game. He isn't that.

 

[CowboysExchange]

We weren't running 12 personnel as a staple back then.

Can you not remember the pissing and moaning Bennett used to do because he couldn't get playing time with Witten around?

It seems to me you have more of a problem with the guys we line up at TE, rather than the formation.

Your argument is with about 95% of the league since TEs are almost always involved in base formations. The list of Kelces is not long, but if we can get one I'd be 100% behind it.

I argued before that Schultz's success last year was in large because he was funneled the ball against defenses that had to account for Coop, CD, and Gallup.

Yeah it's not the position

My favorite players were Gronk, Winslow, sharpe and Earl Campbell was my hero. I was an old oiler fan but I liked the cowboys too

I lived in Houston so I grew up watching Moon and the run n shoot that had no tes on the roster at all. No snap counts

So i'ma a pretty good judge of receivers because of it even though I like the hybrid tes best

I've always been a fan of the hybrid tes like Winslow, Casper, Sharpe, Vernon Davis, Gronk, Etc etc

Winslow was prolly the first

Most of the greatest tes ever were picked in the top 2- 3 rounds

They are hardly ever found in the bargain basement where we've been picking alot of ours. Ufas are almost never good tes btw Stephen Jones so just stop it already lmao

Kelce is one but most are top picks .

All I can tell ya is belechek doesn't have Gronk and Hernandez anymore and he doesn't run an exclusive 12 personell scheme after that tandem split up.

Weve seen him run a ton of 10 personell 11 personell etc. But not every week the same strategy

He's not trying to turn the Schultz and Fergies into Gronk and Hernandez every year like us. But Jerry is stuck in it. Since like 2011

 

[CowboysExchange]

much well since Ferguson is a rookie who we drafted with our fourth round pick, we would have him regardless of what we did with Amari….sooooo we could’ve just kept Amari and still added Ferguson then we’d have both instead of trying to find a third WR and busted Odell Beckham…

we coulda kept Cooper and picked woods up in round 2

He'll be good one of these days if he gets on a good offense

Part of the reason Kelce is so good is because he's on a good to offensive minded and stacked team.

If he woulda came here he'd had to play underneath #82 as a primary blocker too just like Martellus lol.

Jerry is set it and forget it

I could go on forever about the 1 TD a year Swaim who almost never came off the field for substitution until he got hurt in like week 14

Half of this forum pleaded that he was Serviceable.

He was serviceable if we had the top three wrs, a good running game and a top 2 defense lmao

 

[CowboysExchange]

We weren't running 12 personnel as a staple back then.

Can you not remember the pissing and moaning Bennett used to do because he couldn't get playing time with Witten around?

It seems to me you have more of a problem with the guys we line up at TE, rather than the formation.

Your argument is with about 95% of the league since TEs are almost always involved in base formations. The list of Kelces is not long, but if we can get one I'd be 100% behind it.

I argued before that Schultz's success last year was in large because he was funneled the ball against defenses that had to account for Coop, CD, and Gallup.

and gallop got hurt, our passing oline wasnt that good, and Pollard was still considered just one of those Complimentary players that was leading the league in runs over 20+ yards, and yards per touch avg, getting 35% of the carries as most rbs

 

[CWR]

and gallop got hurt, our passing oline wasnt that good, and Pollard was still considered just one of those Complimentary players that was leading the league in runs over 20+ yards, and yards per touch avg, getting 35% of the carries as most rbs

I was screaming for TP to start and get more carries by then. We are in agreement there.

 

[CWR]

Yeah
Jarwin came back and played 9 offensive snaps w one target zero catches

Sprinkle Played 4 off snaps

McKeon played 1 off snaps

Schultz played 58 off snaps

That has nothing to do w sts stats btw

Schultz had 7 catches 0 tds
Coop had 6 receptions 1 tds
Wilson 5 receptions 0 tds
Pollard 2 receptions 0 tds
Lamb 1 reception 0 tds
Malik Turner 1 reception 0 tds
Cj Goodwin 1 reception 0 tds

Dak went 23 of 43 but scored on a QB run

Schultz had 30% of the receptions 7 but no tds

A non scoring factor got 7 receptions

Cooper the guy yall voted off the island only got 6 receptions but he scored the only TD besides Dak

If Schultz woulda got all 23 receptions and it prolly woulda been 23-9 vs 23-17

These tes ain't scoring beans in the playoffs at the big boy level

You know it's sad but trueeeee

"Advanced statistics" are difficult to find, but there are only 14 plays where we used the other tes.

Of those plays Schultz took 6 off, as we had 64 total offensive plays ran.

You could guess we ran 12 personell maybe half a dozen plays, if that, because we weren't running it with any combination that didn't include Schultz.

I can't find a break down of formations, but the snap count is revealing.

My point, its not the formation hurting us in the playoffs.

You'll need to find another scapegoat. I also need to point out for the fifth time I didn't "vote Cooper off," I was against trading him.

 

[Flamma]

Anyone still not happy with what he has done? Since Dak has been back the guy has been once of the best in the NFL. Moore putting him in motion on most plays its almost like he cant be stopped.

I have him as a top 10 WR, but outside the elite top 5 at this point.

Do you think he's worth 21M a year?

 

[CowboysExchange]

"Advanced statistics" are difficult to find, but there are only 14 plays where we used the other tes.

Of those plays Schultz took 6 off, as we had 64 total offensive plays ran.

You could guess we ran 12 personell maybe half a dozen plays, if that, because we weren't running it with any combination that didn't include Schultz.

I can't find a break down of formations, but the snap count is revealing.

My point, its not the formation hurting us in the playoffs.

You'll need to find another scapegoat. I also need to point out for the fifth time I didn't "vote Cooper off," I was against trading him.

No it's not the formation that's hurting is.

Its the over usage of the formation and this scheme based upon the talent. None of these tes can score. Never could in the playoffs They aren't even good blockers at that level

Ya kinda have to take that into consideration when youre strategizing

On 1st and 2nd down we use alot of 12 formation. On 3rd and 10 most of the time we use 11 personell so we can have more firepower right?

Makes ya wonder why we don't use the most firepower on 1st and 2nd down more often lol

We're making completions to these tes but we're feeding a bunch of guys that couldn't score against Boston college lol

We put too much emphasis on receptions and next man up principles

Let's overinvolve these skilled players at te that score a playoff TD once every 25 years

Every year it's gonna be different. Witten can score, Swaim can score, Escobar can score, Schultz can score, Jarwin can score, Hanna can Score,

But the BIG PICTURE is they can't score never can never will. They could have 200 playoff receptions and 1 TD bro

So put some firepower out there that can score and target them instead

I don't care how many catches Schultz and hendershot have their basically just college player caliber skilled players who couldnt even score in college.

I care about how many catches Ceedee, Cooper, Gallop, and Pollard and guys who can score and against the best pro teams and in the playoffs

And I'm not benching them in favor of using a non factor to block and wasting a bunch of targets or snaps

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do you think he's worth 21M a year?

Lamb? Great question. I dont think any WR is worth 21 million. But based on the current market, yes I would pay him 21 million. Definitely better than Cooper.

Sadly he will probably get 27 million by the time he signs. Im of a mind that if you pay a QB 40 million you shouldnt be paying WR's top notch money. If we have to pay him 27 million I might think about trading him for first round picks like some of these other teams have done.

 

[Macnalty]

Anyone still not happy with what he has done? Since Dak has been back the guy has been once of the best in the NFL. Moore putting him in motion on most plays its almost like he cant be stopped.

I have him as a top 10 WR, but outside the elite top 5 at this point.

He is a top 10 WR1 but honestly, he is the top slot receiver in the league. Just wonder if he played where his talents dwell.