CeeDee not signing puts extra pressure on the Jones' Cowboys

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KJJ

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I know its early but this would be an ideal XMAS gift for you and the Dakdavidian clan..............
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If Dak bashing is all you have to consume your day you really should find yourself a hobby. :rolleyes: Start a collection of Dak fatheads, and throw darts at them all day.
 

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Tell you what Dak and this team do? What kind of English is that? Not sure what you’re talking about.
You said the defense was like the 85 bears, the offense was number 1. So im asking what did dak accomplish with that roster since your counter points are always putting blame on the fo the def. Whats the excuse for that season?
 

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You said the defense was like the 85 bears, the offense was number 1. So im asking what did dak accomplish with that roster since your counter points are always putting blame on the fo the def. Whats the excuse for that season?
You are in for a long ride. KJJ is a "right fighter". Darn, he just must be right. Don't make him hold his breath and stomp his feet in anger, he is right, get it! lmao
 

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You said the defense was like the 85 bears, the offense was number 1. So im asking what did dak accomplish with that roster since your counter points are always putting blame on the fo the def. Whats the excuse for that season?
Jeez, man, he hasn't bought his new Rolodex.
Give the guy a break his filing cabinet must be bursting at the seams!!! :muttley:
 

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You are in for a long ride. KJJ is a "right fighter". Darn, he just must be right. Don't make him hold his breath and stomp his feet in anger, he is right, get it! lmao
Yea but he's actually right, in this thread.

Dude said the team was as good with Dak and Cooper Rush, which is incredibly stupiid.
 

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You said the defense was like the 85 bears, the offense was number 1. So im asking what did dak accomplish with that roster since your counter points are always putting blame on the fo the def. Whats the excuse for that season?
Easy to call someone wrong if you lie about what they said.
 

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Yea but he's actually right, in this thread.

Dude said the team was as good with Dak and Cooper Rush, which is incredibly stupiid.
They were not as good with Rush, but sooner or later Dak is not going to be here and that is what he fears the most as if Dak were the only player in the World that can save the Cowboys.
 

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That was two years ago when we were loaded and our defense was playing lights out. Our defense was on pace to break the 85 Bears sack record. We never gave up more than 17 points in the four wins we had with Cooper Rush. Our offense was middle of the pack at best with Rush. We beat the Rams with him passing for just 100 yards. CeeDee didn’t have a 100 yard game and everyone was saying he wasn’t a number one receiver. As soon as Dak returned our offense shot to number one in the NFL and CeeDee had five 100 yard games. It’s laughable how some of you keep bringing up the wins we had with Cooper Rush. You would rather have him at QB than Dak. Lol
That's the thing though, No one.... maybe I should say very few people on here would actual say that Cooper Rush is better than Dak Prescott. The Cowboys are obviously a stronger team with Dak assuming all else is the same. The point is that this team can still win football games without an all pro QB. You also have to look at it in terms of what are the realistic alternatives for this team and that wouldnt be Cooper Rush. It's probably more likely someone in the group of Trey Lance, Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, Sam Darnold, Justin Fields, etc. None of those guys are still Dak Prescott, but I would assume the best of those guys plus another $30-40M per year for the front office to spend would be capable of a playoff birth. Cleveland, Tampa, and Pittsburgh all made the playoffs with QBs no one wanted so it certainly isnt impossible.

Maybe you're right and this team isn't as good in 2024 and does truly need a top QB in order to make the post season, I think that's a fair argument, but time will tell on that. Looking back to 2023 though I think this team maybe doesnt win the division but is still plenty good enough to win 10 games and make an early playoff exit. The year before we were clearly not in the same class as Philly without Dak, but were plenty good enough to beat up on bad and mid tier teams. This roster has some flaws, but its not like this team is miserable with an elite QB carrying them for 12 wins each year.
 

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You said the defense was like the 85 bears, the offense was number 1. So im asking what did dak accomplish with that roster since your counter points are always putting blame on the fo the def. Whats the excuse for that season?
I said our “pass rush” was like the 85 Bears the first few weeks of the 2022 season. We were on pace to break the sack record. Our pass rush fell off later in the season. Our defense got carved up by old man Brady for 350 yards and two TDs in the playoffs but Dak played lights out leading to our first road playoff win in 28 years and our first win over Tom Brady in 8 attempts. Our season ended the following week because Dak and our offense crapped the bed. That was our only playoff loss under Dak where our defense played respectable. Even had Dak played well I still believe our defense would’ve choked in the end. Even in that game, George Kittle converted a big third down catch that could’ve made the difference had we been able to stop them.
 

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Fine, loaded and played lights out while almost breaking the 85 bears sack record.

You want a cookie?
Nope not what he said. It was a five-game sample and he used the word "pace." I'd use the word extrapolate, but I doubt you know what it means.

Then the offense got better when Dak returned.

You want bifocals so you can read?
 

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That's the thing though, No one.... maybe I should say very few people on here would actual say that Cooper Rush is better than Dak Prescott.
The fact there’s a few that would say Cooper Rush is better than Dak shows how wacky this fan base is. Someone started a thread saying had we stayed with Cooper Rush during the 2022 season we would have won the Super Bowl. :laugh: I can’t locate that thread, but here’s one almost as entertaining.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cooper-rush-the-man-who-can-lead-dallas-to-lombardi.505507/
 

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Or...CeeDee starts throwing fits because the new QB sucks, and asks for a trade.

I can see a very uncomfortable situation for the Jones's here. Dak walks and you are QB-less. If your star WR wasnt getting along with a MVP runner up QB in a playoff game after having a monster season...its going to be hard to please him in the future.

Im a huge fan of Lamb's game. But the body language in the playoff game was off-putting...and its not the only time he's done it.
You have a point, it seems cowboys stars shine brightly in unimportant games when pressure is low and when the stakes are high & tough sledding, sulks or goes into shell.

Cee Dee, has shown multiple times by not crossing the face of DB had led to interceptions. But he makes tough catches and hangs on to the ball after hit too.
 

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Bashing one of the top QBs in the league who just came in second for league, MVP and led the league in TDs isn’t justified.
All that doesn't matter one bit. That's not the goal. He could have won the MVP and that wouldn't have changed anything.

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How many more chances???????
 

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All that doesn't matter one bit. That's not the goal. He could have won the MVP and that wouldn't have changed anything.

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How many more chances???????
We’ve already discussed this.
 

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I hate this tactic when valuable players hold out.

First, it means they are already contracted for that particular season so they are violating the terms of their present contract.

If a team does not extend a player's contract prior to its expiration, then that player can demonstrate his displeasure by signing with a different team as a veteran free agent.

Holding out in training camp is a clear threat, not only to the owner but to the players, coaches and fans.

He is basically saying:

"Despite being under a signed agreement for this season, you will pay me this much more money for future services. If you don't, then I will destroy your season."

“I think it’s important to let him know his teammates are thinking about him”

And yet, the real pressure is based on the results of any regular season game that Lamb may miss. Those fellow Cowboys receivers that have Lamb's "back" are the same ones that will try their utmost to prove that Lamb is not irreplaceable.

Let's not forget that football is a game of competition, not only team vs. team but also teammate vs. teammate in terms of playing time and the size of their slice of the cap pie.

In 1993, Emmitt's greatest contract leverage came from the performance of the Cowboys without him. They started off the season 0-2. Had they gone 2-0, it may have been an entirely different story.

Of course, these circumstances are somewhat different today. The 1993 season was before today's version of free agency with a salary cap. The contracts of each player today affect the contract negotiations of their teammates. This is how an advantage in scouting and drafting ability is neutralized in the name of parity.
 
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