Chart showing average defensive rank for a QBs career, including Dak

[CowboyFrog]

Its hilarious to think people are still trying to save one side or the other in that playoff game..lol
News flash we were down 20+ points in the first half...simple math tells you that BOTH sides of the ball sucked..you dont have enough fingers to point out the guilty players on that day...There offense couldn't punt and ours couldn't score..yeah they all played like crap...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Same way people watch the offense feast on bad defenses and think Dak's good enough to win?

both offense and defense are over rated. feast at the average to below average. fold against better teams.

 

[Captain-Crash]

On the other hand, having a QB like Brady gives a defensive coach situational options during a game that one might not have otherwise.

so having dak is like having an anchor that they have to carry? and that the defense has to carry.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Sources
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2006.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2008.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2009.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2010.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2011.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2012.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2013.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2014.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2015.htm#all_team_stats

dang I though Romo had all pro's at every position. dang. my bad.

 

[Motorola]

Would love to know where romo's teams ranked

Sources
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2006.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2008.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2009.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2010.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2011.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2012.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2013.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2014.htm#all_team_stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2015.htm#all_team_stats

"Ask, and you shall receive."

Nice work, DallasEast.

 

[jterrell]

sure isnt when you have boat anchor mcgee at QB.

Defense shut down CMC and basically everyone on SF, one big play to kittle and one TD given up late, guess that means they suck. In todays crazy offense-favored world, thats good. Then keep in mind they had to deal with two turnovers with one being in the redzone they held them to a fg on both.

how was his real data at halftime? Im sure he was really great in the 4th when the game was down multiple scores, but at least somehow he did something as opposed to the defense that game.

Dak was bad at halftime to be sure. Awful first half.
But you know who else had awful halves of football?
EVERY QB in the playoffs except Matt Stafford who lost but played solid both halves.
but Josh, Brock, Pat, Lamar, CJ, Love, Baker? All had an awful half of football.

Why? Because NFL defenses in the playoffs are really, really good.

 

[jterrell]

Dak was bad at halftime to be sure. Awful first half.
But you know who else had awful halves of football?
EVERY QB in the playoffs except Matt Stafford who lost but played solid both halves.
but Josh, Brock, Pat, Lamar, CJ, Love, Baker? All had an awful half of football.

Why? Because NFL defenses in the playoffs are really, really good.

And since we are clearly keeping score at home; NO other defense allowed 6 TDs in a single game much less in 7 drives.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

Dak was bad at halftime to be sure. Awful first half.
But you know who else had awful halves of football?
EVERY QB in the playoffs except Matt Stafford who lost but played solid both halves.
but Josh, Brock, Pat, Lamar, CJ, Love, Baker? All had an awful half of football.

Why? Because NFL defenses in the playoffs are really, really good.

1. Thats the 5th playoff game hes had a terrible half now, thats horrible for a QB paid like that.
2. GB also had one of the worst pass defense out in the playoffs ( i guess ours counts as worse for that game)

 

[1942willys]

dang I though Romo had all pro's at every position. dang. my bad.

And in 2009 when we had the D the O line died in the playoffs against the Vikings; and sadly Favre cut the D up badly
I keep saying this: Jerry sold his soul for that third SB and we will never sniff one as long as he is around

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

On the other hand, having a QB like Brady gives a defensive coach situational options during a game that one might not have otherwise.

Yes. That is the crucial thing Dak Crusaders rarely acknowledge.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is absolute proof how statistics can be used to strengthen haters hate and at the same time show their ignorance. If you can’t stop the run defensively, and the Cowboys can’t and havent, then your defense sucks.

Speaking of .....


Plus as if you are immune? LOL. NOT.

 

[Proof]

The Patriots putting together 22 defenses that averaged a ranking of 7th over two plus decades is impressive.

This is why I chuckle at those that say BB is a product of Brady.

it's wild. like going from the greatest qb of all time to.... anyone would be a difficult ask. but his replacements haven't even been competent. meanwhile brady takes the helm of a team that was a qb away already, and brought his friends with him.

 

[Brax]

Would love to know where romo's teams ranked

Dallas Cowboys Total Defense Rankings from 2007-2015

• 2007 – 9th (13-3)
• 2008 – 8th (9-7)
• 2009 – 9th (11-5) 2010 – 23rd (6-10) 2011 – 14th (8-8) 2012 – 19th (8-8) 2013 – 32nd (8-8) 2014 – 19th (12-4) 2015 – 17th (4-12

 

[Rockport]

Obviously, a ton of mental gymnastics involved in using a regular season stat for the defense while saying the QB sucks because he isn't good in the playoffs.

Dak had a higher PLAYOFF passer rating than Brock Purdy.
Dak is imperfect and has some obvious areas to improve in, but it is really hard to take fans who bad mouth him seriously when they have no real data or intelligent discussion to offer just utter nonsense or complete mistruths.

Not to mention having an MVP type season with no running game and the defense couldn’t stop the run. Dak deserves some of the blame but the vast majority is those 2 things that every NFL team must have to win in December, January and February.

 

[Jayinem]

The fact that he "won nothing without Brady" is isn't a fair knock on him. He took over a 3 win Browns team and improved them every year, reaching 11-5 at one point. It was his first gig as a HC. It can take time to both change the roster and culture of a terrible team and I'm sure he learned a lot along the way. Brady bailed on the Pats because he could see the roster was finally falling apart. If Brady had stayed, the Pats would have won 0 additional championships and struggled just as much as they have with Mac Jones. Well, maybe not just as much, but they still struggle to make the playoffs.

If Brady was drafted by the Lions or Browns, or Cowboys for that matter, he no way puts up the career he did with the Pats. He may not even have a ring. I'm not trying to knock Brady. A great QB is a great thing to have but you most definitely need a lot of other things to fall in place to achieve the success the Pats did. The Pats most likely still win that first SB with Bledsoe at QB. BB won 11 games with Matt Cassell at QB.

Brady and BB were equally instrumental in the dynasty, imo.

So did Belichick just make Brady so good at winning Super Bowls that he went and did it in Tampa without Belichick? Brady winning in Tampa was definitely the Belichick effect right? It's easy to turn around a 7-9 team in his first season with them with no training camp due to covid and just win the Super Bowl because Belichick taught him everything he knows. Whatever.

Tampa should have been the dead giveaway for anyone wondering who deserves the most credit in that dynasty. I'm not saying 100% of the credit, but the majority. But yet there's still people that you that try to say 50/50, and some try to give more credit to Belichick than Brady. It's a joke.

The greatest thing Belichick ever did bar none was stick with Brady when he was winning games over Drew Bledsoe. And you try to do revisionist history "well they still would have won with Drew Bledsoe" ignoring that Brady had a game winning drive in that game like he did in all 6 Super Bowls with the Patriots. I can't believe anyone would try to downplay that. They were down or tied every time yet Brady did what Brady always does come up clutch in the end.

 

[Jayinem]

You can try and poke holes though no one is saying Brady won all those Super Bowls with the worst defense and he did it all by himself but he is unarguably the greatest football player that ever laced up he could have had 9 Super Bowls he scored 33 points against Eagles and Nick Foles but Belichick's vaunted defense gave up 41 to Nick Foles? and did what he always did scored what should have been the game winning drive in the first meeting with Eli but Belichick's defense gave up a TD to Eli Manning? Not a field goal a Touchdown, had to because they were down 4.

And btw he was 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs.

Belichick with Brady: 249-75
Belichick without Brady: 84-103

That's almost 200 games without Brady, which is more games a lot of coaches are given before never coaching again and he stunk.

 

[Jayinem]

The Pats won 11 games with Matt Cassel at QB. They made the playoffs with Mac Jones and CTE laden Cam Newton at QB.
The first Super Bowl Brady won he was a full-on bus driver passing for less than 190 yards per game and throwing 12 picks in 15 games.

Brady played forever so he covered the vast majority of Belichick's head coaching tenure but pretending it was all Brady is nuts.
Bill is arguably the greatest defensive coach in NFL history and won titles as an assistant with the Giants.
Of the 6 Super Bowls Bill and Tom won, only twice was Brady the highest approximate value season by a Patriot.
And in 2 of those 6 seasons the defense ranked first in points allowed. FIRST.

I just showed where BB coached 187 games without Brady and could only go 84-103, that would be about 11 1/2 seasons without Brady dividing by 16 games per season. That resume probably does not get someone another head coaching job (btw he can't get another head coaching job with the record he does have)

You reached so hard to try to give him credit for Super Bowls as an assistant really? LOL! So desperate.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The defense can't hold them to zero, the 49ers were a top ranked offense last season and ANYBODY would love taken 19 points, but Daks fans need a defense that holds the opponent to zero points apparently. Anyone who blames last playoff loss on the D has no idea what they are talking about

You’re so anti Dak that you don’t realize that one I never blamed the defense or said we didn’t lose because of Dak. You guys are worse than the pro Dak guys you claim fuel your negativity.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He made big plays against Detroit to get to the SB. He didn't poop his pants in the SB.

That alone sets him way above your dakkypoo

You don’t even know what you’re talking about. We are talking about last years game lol. Try again.

 

[jwitten82]

You’re so anti Dak that you don’t realize that one I never blamed the defense or said we didn’t lose because of Dak. You guys are worse than the pro Dak guys you claim fuel your negativity.

Lol I supported Dak this whole season, you know damn well I did. Come on dawg!!!