Cheap Dak

[Bullflop]

Basically then we’re All In on Dak except for how much we’re paying him.

I’m kinda conflicted then on what we should be rooting for.

If he has another Rookie type season it could cost us over a 100 million limiting the support we could surround him in the future where if he has another 2017 season then we’ll be in better position to surround him in years ahead.

Dak and the team are the only ones in complete control of his destiny. I'm rooting for the team, not necessarily one man to find success this year and beyond. I like Dak for what he does in terms of his dedication and his positive attitude. How he performs is another matter unto itself. I doubt Stephen is inclined to overcompensate Dak in absurd fashion if his performance doesn't merit such generosity but of course, I could be mistaken.

If Stephen has already decided what he's going to do regarding Dak's compensation next year, I think he's nothing more than an incompetent fool. Of course, being one who wants what's best for the team, I wouldn't want to see that happen. Would you?

 

[LetsBeReal]

if Dak keeps saying all the right things, I think he’s gonna make a hell of an SEC network broadcaster in a year or two.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'm not trying to be a smart *** but if this front office/coaching staff can't build a championship team while Dak is making pennies, what gives you confidence that they can do it when he's taking up 1/7th of the salary cap.

A year or two from now he could be taking up 1/7th of the salary cap, D-Law could be on another team, and the Irving experiment could be over. That's two elite players gone and a lot of financial flexibility lost (I realize we get some back by not letting D-Law go). The sense of urgency to win now should be at an all-time high.

I'm not trying to be a smart *** but....

Do you have any earthly idea how many championship teams have been built around quarterbacks that are in their second, third, or fourth NFL contracts?

What makes our situation any different?

It's a process as long as Garrett is here (which will only be one more year if we don't make a deep playoff run).

 

[ItzKelz]

I'm not trying to be a smart *** but if this front office/coaching staff can't build a championship team while Dak is making pennies, what gives you confidence that they can do it when he's taking up 1/7th of the salary cap.

A year or two from now he could be taking up 1/7th of the salary cap, D-Law could be on another team, and the Irving experiment could be over. That's two elite players gone and a lot of financial flexibility lost (I realize we get some back by not letting D-Law go). The sense of urgency to win now should be at an all-time high.

This would be a better question after the season. We have no idea if this is or is not a championship team. And quite frankly as long as Stephen Jones is managing the cap and player salaries no one should really be worried about the cap as it pertains to how Dak affects the cap.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak and the team are the only ones in complete control of his destiny. I'm rooting for the team, not necessarily one man to find success this year and beyond. I like Dak for what he does in terms of his dedication and his positive attitude. How he performs is another matter unto itself. I doubt Stephen is inclined to overcompensate Dak in absurd fashion if his performance doesn't merit such generosity but of course, I could be mistaken.

If Stephen has already decided what he's going to do regarding Dak's compensation next year, I think he's nothing more than an incompetent fool. Of course, being one who wants what's best for the team, I wouldn't want to see that happen. Would you?

My evaluation is all about how he performs on the field. Dedication and positive attitude is meaningless without the talent level needed.

I don’t think Stephen has decided the length or size of extension but I do believe they’re All In regardless. Which is not how even some of his supporters are who want to see more before inking him long term.

It’s possible what’s best for the team long term is not what’s best for the team this season.

My hope is we sign him to a contract similar to Bortyles. 3 years 50 million which doesn’t commit long term nor totally limit us in surrounding him. At this time that’s about where I’d place him.

If we haven’t had more success in 4 or 5 years then we can move on. The core of this talent will be matured by then. That’s probably a good window.

 

[LittleD]

Basically then we’re All In on Dak except for how much we’re paying him.

I’m kinda conflicted then on what we should be rooting for.

If he has another Rookie type season it could cost us over a 100 million limiting the support we could surround him in the future where if he has another 2017 season then we’ll be in better position to surround him in years ahead.

My guess is he will not get even close to 100million from the Cowboys because they can franchise him for at least two years. The FO will know if
he has the skills with 3 more years in the league to determine if he can be a franchise player or not. We may do the same thing the Commanders did just
keeping him a year at a time. Dak was not a top 5 QB by any stretch and we are not at all sure if he can function without Zeke in the
backfield.

 

[Bullflop]

if Dak keeps saying all the right things, I think he’s gonna make a hell of an SEC network broadcaster in a year or two.

LOL -- I take it you're not a Dak fan. I wouldn't assume Dak is destined to fail and become a broadcaster of any kind. As far as saying the right things are concerned, most QBs do their utmost to say all the right things. Dak is no different in that respect. Let's see how he does this year and probably the next before deciding he's destined to be looking for another job that soon. He's entering his 3rd year -- it's a bit early for such cynicism.

 

[Bullflop]

My evaluation is all about how he performs on the field. Dedication and positive attitude is meaningless without the talent level needed.

I don’t think Stephen has decided the length or size of extension but I do believe they’re All In regardless. Which is not how even some of his supporters are who want to see more before inking him long term.

It’s possible what’s best for the team long term is not what’s best for the team this season.

My hope is we sign him to a contract similar to Bortyles. 3 years 50 million which doesn’t commit long term nor totally limit us in surrounding him. At this time that’s about where I’d place him.

If we haven’t had more success in 4 or 5 years then we can move on. The core of this talent will be matured by then. That’s probably a good window.

Sounds like a plan and I'm sure we'll see what Stephen has in mind in terms of a contract for Dak when the time comes. I would agree that he and Jerry are highly likely to afford him another contract, whatever it might entail. All things considered, I feel he's done well.

Personally, I think Dak will experience a considerably better year this year than what he did in 2017 but of course, whatever happens will happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he'll prove himself and earn a contract commensurate to his contributions in his career. Godspeed to Dak and the team as well. It's my fervent hope that they'll take us to the playoffs -- as deeply as possible in the process. Maybe it's just a dream but a good one at that.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

if Dak keeps saying all the right things, I think he’s gonna make a hell of an SEC network broadcaster in a year or two.

Or an NFL Broadcaster in 10 years or so.

 

[losersgetcute]

Well right now as we speak, Dallas has an opportunity to make this a defensive juggernaut. Simply by getting Earl Thomas in here.
DLINE - check
Linebacker - check
Corner - check
Safety - ???

You value 2nd and 3rd round draft picks more than Super Bowl titles.

Earl Thomas is not as good as everyone seems to think, the secondary in Seattle was a good group and without Kam and Earl Richard Sherman is not exactly league MVP in SF in my opinion...Earl Thomas benefitted from having a good pass rush and good all around play from the other 10 guys on the field...never know when our guys will lay an egg...

 

[Rockport]

Curious . Do you define “ haters” as anyone who criticizes? I’d be concerned with a Cowboy fan who wasn’t critical of our FO.

No I define haters as “those who constantly complain about anything Cowboy related post after post thread after thread”.

 

[guag]

Personnel decisions, too.

Jerry is little more than a figurehead/mouthpiece at this point.

 

[LetsBeReal]

LOL -- I take it you're not a Dak fan. I wouldn't assume Dak is destined to fail and become a broadcaster of any kind. As far as saying the right things are concerned, most QBs do their utmost to say all the right things. Dak is no different in that respect. Let's see how he does this year and probably the next before deciding he's destined to be looking for another job that soon. He's entering his 3rd year -- it's a bit early for such cynicism.

I don’t care who plays quarterback for them, I just want them to win. With the offense players we have in place theres quite a bit to be concerned about with the current qb. I agree his rookie year was great but last year other teams got smart and decided hey we better not sit back and let zeke and the o-line run us over and dak check it down to Beasley all day. And dak had no answer for it.
We still got rushing yards but they were a lot tougher to come by last year than they were his rookie year. And the passing game was completely pathetic.
If these new receivers can get off the line and dak gets it to them early and is accurate, we do have some guys that can make plays after they catch it. But if he doesn’t soften up the defense so we can punish the D with zeke this year, I’d be drafting a new qb for sure. We can’t upgrade the offense anymore than it is, for him, right now.

I will admit to being a zeke homer and it does drive me insane that dak got rookie of the year that year when anybody that’s ever watched football knows he wasn’t even the best rookie on his own team.

 

[jsb357]

Some would argue he’s already earned it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Since when is a cheap QB the key to success? The reason we have a rookie wage scale is b/c the rookie QB's were getting paid more than most of the veterans. So, now teams have a few years to audition the QB before deciding on that big contract. If Dak is good enough this year to merit that 100 million dollar contract, then Dallas will be happy to pay him. The hard part is finding a QB.

 

[LetsBeReal]

And believe it or not, it’s not the rarest thing in the world for a 4th round draft pick to lose his job. Or be out of the league in 3/4 years.

We need to quit falling in love with players around here. Love the team, not the players (unless it’s zeke. We better keep loving on him)

 

[jsb357]

We need to quit falling in love with players around here.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not trying to be a smart *** but if this front office/coaching staff can't build a championship team while Dak is making pennies, what gives you confidence that they can do it when he's taking up 1/7th of the salary cap.

A year or two from now he could be taking up 1/7th of the salary cap, D-Law could be on another team, and the Irving experiment could be over. That's two elite players gone and a lot of financial flexibility lost (I realize we get some back by not letting D-Law go). The sense of urgency to win now should be at an all-time high.

This sort of thinking is why we have been mired in mediocrity for the past 20 plus years. Let's go for it-- we are only one player away. Then you don't get there, your cap is shot to hell and your roster is full of older injury prone washed up players.

Lawrence is a case in point. There are a couple of different paths you can take with Lawrence. They can extend him which is going to eat up a huge portion of our cap, or we can let him walk and maybe get a comp pick out of him, or you can trade him, or you can tag him for one more year.

He's a very good pass rusher. But is he worth 10 percent of your cap good? Probably not. If you extend him you pay him about $20 million per year for 5 years and end up eating part of his contract at the end. Can he be disruptive? Yeah. But if you only have one guy who can get to the QB they can take him out of the game.

Arguably, right now we have several guys who can play at a relatively high level, cheaply. None of them can currently play at the level Lawrence is playing, but neither did Lawrence at that stage in his career. Many were using is name and bust in the same sentence.

We need to do what we have been doing for the past few years, which is he smart about salary cap management and cut the dead weight, like Dez and watch players like Witten move on. If we operate like that and draft well you will see that the window to win a super bowl will remain open every year.

Team depth usually will usually put you in a better situation than having a top heavy team. We have proved that to ourselves for the past 20 plus years.

You guys bash the hell out of Red Ball, but we have been more successful under Red Ball than anyone other than Jimmy's Johnson. We are headed in the right direction.

Trading for ET would be a reversion back to the old way of doing business and in all likelihood a step back for the team.

 

[Bullflop]

I don’t care who plays quarterback for them, I just want them to win. With the offense players we have in place theres quite a bit to be concerned about with the current qb. I agree his rookie year was great but last year other teams got smart and decided hey we better not sit back and let zeke and the o-line run us over and dak check it down to Beasley all day. And dak had no answer for it.
We still got rushing yards but they were a lot tougher to come by last year than they were his rookie year. And the passing game was completely pathetic.
If these new receivers can get off the line and dak gets it to them early and is accurate, we do have some guys that can make plays after they catch it. But if he doesn’t soften up the defense so we can punish the D with zeke this year, I’d be drafting a new qb for sure. We can’t upgrade the offense anymore than it is, for him, right now.

I will admit to being a zeke homer and it does drive me insane that dak got rookie of the year that year when anybody that’s ever watched football knows he wasn’t even the best rookie on his own team.

Dak's performance last year was adversely affected by the outrageously poor backup situation with Chaz Green being more of a matador than an offensive guard. Bell wasn't much better, if at all. There were times when Dak didn't even have time to set up, much less deliver the ball with any semblance of accuracy. The Atlanta game all but destroyed his confidence in the OL to protect him.

Let's wait and see what happens this year before coming to premature conclusions that he can't perform up to snuff. With football being a team sport and all, his receivers will be obliged to get open with some degree of regularity -- something that was sorely missing last year. I think we'll see a much better level of success this year in the way that this newly overhauled offense operates. At least, let's hope so.

The new WRs were chosen largely for their abilities to gain good separation. I think it will help the passing game somewhat and allow Zeke more running room in turn. Let's see if Dak can soften up the defenses enough to make the yards come far easier for the running game to thrive, although it may take a few games to make that happen. Expect a period of adjustment for Dak and his many new receivers to get fully into sync.

 

[Clove]

That ship sailed during the draft. They have long sense left that interest behind. All they need is Heath and one other safety to line up on
Sunday's. Safety position is not a money5 position in the NFL.

Count on another decade of futility