Chest thumpin' time: Wimbley was the one we should have drafted.

[BigDFan5]

Nope. I gurantee you Bill would have never considered it if Carpenter had shown those same crazy skillz Ware did early on. Hey, I'm not in Cowboys training camp, just my opinion, but Carpenter was drafted to be our OLB, and when he didn't show any dominance early on as a pass rusher, Bill went to his last remaining card. Just my opinion. BTW, god bless Greg for doing a good job in the swap.

If you believe that I can't help you. Carp was moved because Ellis did well no other reason. You say he never showed any dominance, how many practices did you attend? He was pretty damn good in the scrimmage registering what was it 2 or 3 sacks? He never played a preseason game there because of Ellis' emergance.

I also noti8ce you totally ducked my post about 1st round LBs which you said was rare when its not

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you believe that I can't help you. Carp was moved because Ellis did well no other reason.

even Parcells said that, this kid is crazy

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

If you believe that I can't help you. Carp was moved because Ellis did well no other reason. You say he never showed any dominance, how many practices did you attend? He was pretty damn good in the scrimmage registering what was it 2 or 3 sacks? He never played a preseason game there because of Ellis' emergance.

I also noti8ce you totally ducked my post about 1st round LBs which you said was rare when its not

Well, the whole Greg Ellis to LB move seemed to occur very late in TC. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to happen far too late to actually be the reason for it. It was almost in response to Ellis' complaints rather than any personnel decisions. If Carp had shown from day one he was the pass rushing opposite Ware threat we were looking for, Ellis never would have been considered in the first place. Since Carpenter only proved to be an adequate linebacker, Ellis was considered, and quickly won the job. Just my two cents.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, the whole Greg Ellis to LB move seemed to occur very late in TC.

are you serious? it happened from Day 1...in mini-camp

You can correct me if I'm wrong

you're wrong, and here's your 2 cents back

 

[tomson75]

Well, the whole Greg Ellis to LB move seemed to occur very late in TC. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to happen far too late to actually be the reason for it. It was almost in response to Ellis' complaints rather than any personnel decisions. If Carp had shown from day one he was the pass rushing opposite Ware threat we were looking for, Ellis never would have been considered in the first place. Since Carpenter only proved to be an adequate linebacker, Ellis was considered, and quickly won the job. Just my two cents.

actually, you'd be more accurate to say that the whole Carp being moved inside thing occured late in camp. Carp was moved to the inside only when it was clear that Ellis was taking to the OLB position...which, coincidently was done in the mini camp. You're getting worked here.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Yeah hes alluding to my thread and thats not the point of it.

The fact hes coming along slowly does not translate to him sucking. Instant evaluations are pointless.

Hmmm... please show where I said Carpenter was a bust oh high and almighty who seems to think all threads allude to his.

I said Carpenter could eventually be a steady vet, but he'll never be worth the 1st round pick because frankly, 90% of 1st round linebackers show fairly quickly whether or not they are worth that high of a pick.

Now it's time for you to show your know-it-all skillz and refute my point.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

actually, you'd be more accurate to say that the whole Carp being moved inside thing occured late in camp. Carp was moved to the inside only when it was clear that Ellis was taking to the OLB position...which, coincidently was done in the mini camp. You're getting worked here.

Show me the proof and dates and I'll believe you.

I don't remember Elllis being moved to linebacker until he complained publicly over and over about his minutes.

 

[BigDFan5]

Well, the whole Greg Ellis to LB move seemed to occur very late in TC. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to happen far too late to actually be the reason for it. It was almost in response to Ellis' complaints rather than any personnel decisions.

You are wrong it was talked about all offseason and implemented day 1 of training camp

If Carp had shown from day one he was the pass rushing opposite Ware threat we were looking for, Ellis never would have been considered in the first place.

No ellis is already a pass rush specialist that is why he got the shot there and moved Carp inside. Its about making the LB corp deeper and better. Ellis' only fit was at SOLB, Carp could play inside. Therefore moving Carp inside upgraded over Shanle which gaiuned us a pick and made the LB corp stronger

Since Carpenter only proved to be an adequate linebacker, Ellis was considered, and quickly won the job. Just my two cents.

Should have saved your money

 

[tomson75]

Hmmm... please show where I said Carpenter was a bust oh high and almighty who seems to think all threads allude to his.

I said Carpenter could eventually be a steady vet, but he'll never be worth the 1st round pick because frankly, 90% of 1st round linebackers show fairly quickly whether or not they are worth that high of a pick.

Now it's time for you to show your know-it-all skillz and refute my point.

ok, well Hawk is bust too then? or are his 3 tackles and 6 assists enough to start working on his bronzed bust right now?

 

[BigDFan5]

Show me the proof and dates and I'll believe you.

I don't remember Elllis being moved to linebacker until he complained publicly over and over about his minutes.

His complaints were all before training camp as well

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Well, the whole Greg Ellis to LB move seemed to occur very late in TC. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to happen far too late to actually be the reason for it. It was almost in response to Ellis' complaints rather than any personnel decisions. If Carp had shown from day one he was the pass rushing opposite Ware threat we were looking for, Ellis never would have been considered in the first place. Since Carpenter only proved to be an adequate linebacker, Ellis was considered, and quickly won the job. Just my two cents.

You seem very off on a lot of topics tonight Ellis was moved early. Carp mastered SOLB and was put at WILB to see if he could be of service there now of course he is a back up at both positions and will get to see more pt and hopefully get better quicker.

im off to watch the game on nfl net. p guys

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

You are wrong it was talked about all offseason and implemented day 1 of training camp





No ellis is already a pass rush specialist that is why he got the shot there and moved Carp inside. Its about making the LB corp deeper and better. Ellis' only fit was at SOLB, Carp could play inside. Therefore moving Carp inside upgraded over Shanle which gaiuned us a pick and made the LB corp stronger




Should have saved your money

Nope. It's my firm belief that Ellis was going to be reduced to a pass rusher in obvious pass situations until he raised hell about his contract. Never heard a single thing out of Valley Ranch about him playing linebacker until that.

 

[BigDFan5]

Nope. It's my firm belief that Ellis was going to be reduced to a pass rusher in obvious pass situations until he raised hell about his contract. Never heard a single thing out of Valley Ranch about him playing linebacker until that.

Doesn't mater what your belief is when the truth is on our side. You were wrong, man up and admit it

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

You seem very off on a lot of topics tonight Ellis was moved early. Carp mastered SOLB and was put at WILB to see if he could be of service there now of course he is a back up at both positions and will get to see more pt and hopefully get better quicker.

im off to watch the game on nfl net. p guys

Carp mastered SOLB?

Okay, because rookies that master a position are usually moved immediately. *sigh* I give up.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

spin on TBC...spin on...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Carp mastered SOLB?

Okay, because rookies that master a position are usually moved immediately. *sigh* I give up.

uh, BP said that Carp was a smart kid and could handle the switch inside, so that means he showed BP something at OLB

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Doesn't mater what your belief is when the truth is on our side. You were wrong, man up and admit it

All I'm asking for are some links. Some proof to show that Ellis was well on his way to being a strong linebacker before Carpenter enterered the picture. And again, you people seem to take it personal that BC couldn't win a job, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I have stated he could be a solid vet. All I'm saying is that if we blew a 1st rounder on a linebacker, Wimbley seems to be the man. Props to everyone who was for him and saw the obvious advantages, cause lord knows, it wasn't me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Knowing Ellis' work ethic and team attitude, Parcells and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer never doubted Ellis could make the transition if he put his mind to it.

But considering Ellis' rhetoric at minicamp in May and over the summer, the challenge was to get Ellis to buy into the vision.

advanced search is a wonderful thing

 

[BigDFan5]

Carp mastered SOLB?

Okay, because rookies that master a position are usually moved immediately. *sigh* I give up.

Obviously Parcell liked what he seen from Carp at OLB since he has clearly stated many times he did not want to overload a rookie by changing their positions. In Carp case he said Carp was a good player and could handle it.

 

[BigDFan5]

All I'm asking for are some links. Some proof to show that Ellis was well on his way to being a strong linebacker before Carpenter enterered the picture. And again, you people seem to take it personal that BC couldn't win a job, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I have stated he could be a solid vet. All I'm saying is that if we blew a 1st rounder on a linebacker, Wimbley seems to be the man. Props to everyone who was for him and saw the obvious advantages, cause lord knows, it wasn't me.

umm you are the one that said Ellis was moved late in training camp where are your links?