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Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by erod, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    Harbaugh did not rebuild SF..lol A big chunk of that SB team was there when he got the job. e did not change their identity either, he just plugged in a running QB.
     
  2. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    I'd call it luck.

    They lose to Indy by 2 scores without the refs.

    They got dominated by the Skins but got 17 points in gifts.

    They got gift points to barely beat the Rams too.

    They could very easily be 4-6 right now.
     
  3. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing

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    A lot of the drafted talent was there (yes) but Singletary didn't get them into the playoffs and geared towards consecutive winning seasons, etc. I don't love their offensive makeup in all honesty, but like that he seemed to get more out of that team than was there.
     
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  4. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately this post is as devoid of substance as your other posts

    Of course the HC will have 'some ' input but the evidence i posted is VERY damning that the input is negligible and not substantive and that Garrett's input has been specifically removed from the offense.

    The fact that you ignore it and post unrelated stuff and try to move the goalposts by "clarifying your position" and pretend like you responded is unfortunately your usual schtick and not surprising in the least

    You don't have the self confidence to admit you made up stuff when you were saying that you could "categorically" refute what I had said. Everyone who reads our exchange can clearly see this because the reality is that you made it up.
     
  5. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    ........And with this post, Shady McCoy picks up a first down.
     
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  6. DOUBLE WING

    DOUBLE WING Well-Known Member

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    Right, and we could have easily lost to Seattle/Houston/St. Louis this year and been 4-6 as well.

    NFL games are rarely blowouts. Most teams have multiple games every year that are decided by one or two plays, or by a few referee calls.
     
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  7. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    So could the Cowboys. Almost every team lucks into a few wins.
     
  8. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    This is what I get for treating one of your arguments seriously.

    The evidence you posted was a 140 character paraphrase from a single Jerry interview that only addressed 1/2 of your criticism. You overreached in your argument again because you can't help yourself. This time you actually were able to back up part of what you were trying to say, and I give you full credit for that.

    In that specific regard, you were right that Jerry said what he said about play calling, and I did not remember that that interview existed. But your fantasy involved more than just play calling. We can have a discussion about either half of that debate if you care to, but it really does have to be without the personal jabs.

    Failing that--and your reply here makes it really clear that we're failing that--I'm very comfortable letting our exchange stand on it's own and people can make up their own minds who's making stuff up.

    I'll just sit here enjoying 7-3 at the bye with a six game season in front of us. If you want to pretend that that's happening without Jason Garrett's direct and regular involvement in planning for the offense, then that's on you.
     
  9. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    Yeah. In order to win, you have to do enough right to be in position to luck into a win. Do it often enough, and it's not luck. Or it is luck, and it's one of those things where the smarter you are and the harder you work, the luckier you get.
     
  10. blindzebra

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    Name a game the refs gave us?

    We are the team that has been giving up defensive and ST scores not getting them.

    They have won games because of good luck.

    We have won games in spite of bad luck.

    You can't coach good luck, but overcoming bad luck is about coaching.
     
  11. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    Luck doesn't necessarily mean the refs giving you a win.

    The 3rd-and-22 conversion in Seattle was pretty lucky.
     
  12. Doomsday101

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    no that was very well executed.
     
  13. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    But there you have it - other team's big plays are "lucky," the Cowboy's big plays are "well executed."
     
  14. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    No not at all, I for one am not big on luck, I think good teams tend to make their own good luck. My only comment was in regards to the 3rd and 22. Romo directed Williams and put the ball on the money and Williams made the grab to me that is great execution.
     
  15. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Romo did the same with Jessie Holley in the 49're game a few seasons ago.
     
  16. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Garrett was strapped with a bucket full of horribly long-term contracts on declining or former players, a complete neglect on the offensive and defensive lines, and an owner drunkenly obsessed with throwing money at 190-pound players.

    The team had no identity. It had no ability to be balanced because of a mismanaged offensive line a defense that couldn't hold a lead to save its life. (The defense is still greatly in need of upgrade).

    One more offseason, and Jerry's roster sins will be vanquished. God willing.
     
  17. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    The thing that goes unnoticed by some is that Jerry refused to allow a rebuild in a normal sense. Had he allowed a one season blow up situation, where all the overpriced, always injured, locker room cancers were gone in one shot, the turn around would have been a lot quicker.

    The fact that Garrett has redone the roster, culture and identity of this team while having them one game from the playoffs during two injury riddled years is an amazing job of coaching.
     
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  18. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Jerry relinquished control slowly and reluctantly. He basically has parsed the GM role to Will McClay, Garrett, and his son at this point.

    With Garrett here, Jerry was able to admit he was wrong without admitting he was wrong. That's why I like Garrett so much, because I can't see another guy that could have brought us to this point. His close friendship with Stephen, Romo, and the Jones family made this possible.

    Can you imagine Jerry with another coach in here? He'd be back to his old ways in a heart beat.
     
  19. scooper

    scooper Benched

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    The eagles head coach accomplished in one year what Our head coach hasn't been able to in over three years, despite not having a franchise quarterback and having to completely overhaul the roster.

    Resumes and logic point to Chip Kelly being a better and more successful head coach.

    Deep down you know this is true. As such, you're having to cite such unfounded things as refs and luck and hope others ignore your intellectual dishonesty just to give Garrett a leg to stand on.

    Kind of sad, really.

    Chip Kelly is the better coach. Year one, he takes a below average QB and roster and wins the division.

    Garrett with a franchise qb hasn't been able to get the job done.

    And I know, I know.... had Romo played in week 17 we probably would've won that game and the division. Sadly, had Jason Garrett not so horrendously mismanaged the Lions and Packers game, that week 17 game wouldn't have even mattered. Sucks when your head coach costs you games, doesn't it?
     
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  20. scooper

    scooper Benched

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    If by Romo making two miraculous dodges of pass rushers and heaving the ball to a spot with two receivers in it, yeah that's great execution.

    Just like the coaching staff drew it up.

    Romo made a miracle happen there. More of his backyard offense. And Willliams made as good a catch as I've seen in years.

    There was more "luck" in that play than good execution. Hence the free rushers.
     

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