Chris Johnson's splits

[Bob Sacamano]

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/196/76544/rushing/split.html
courtesy of FuzzyLumpkins

so TheCount can quit his *****ing

seems CJ was a consistent runner and receiver throughout games, who did very well against winning teams and OK against top-25 ones

 

[TheCount]

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/196/76544/rushing/split.html
courtesy of FuzzyLumpkins

so TheCount can quit his *****ing

seems CJ was a consistent runner and receiver throughout games, who did very well against winning teams and OK against top-25 ones

Stay Classy, Bob.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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[THUMPER]

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/196/76544/rushing/split.html
courtesy of FuzzyLumpkins

so TheCount can quit his *****ing

seems CJ was a consistent runner and receiver throughout games, who did very well against winning teams and OK against top-25 ones

He played considerably better on the road than at home. Interesting.

I would love to get this guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

STOP Necro Time

Boyleheart on CJ

Chris Johnson RB East Carolina

STRENGTHS
Chris is a natural RB with good size and excellent speed and quickness to impact at the next level. He shows great vision and lateral agility in the hole. Chris is a recurring nightmare to deal with when he catches a swing pass out of the backfield and is in open space. He has good hands to catch the ball down the field like a WR and excellent body control to adjust to the ball. Chris has the potential to impact at the next level just like Brian Westbrook and Reggie Bush have for their teams. He has the speed, burst, quickness, vision, lateral agility and eye/ hand coordination to be an impact player.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE Chris has to learn to hold onto the ball, reducing his fumbles. He also has to learn how to block and how to play when he is hurting. Right now, Chris has shown no interest in blocking at all and that alone could keep him off the field and limit his ability to impact for the team that drafts him. He has to develop the mental toughness that it takes to be the player his talent suggests he can become. Chris, at the NFL level, is going to be hit and dropped to the ground for the first time in his life. When he is, it will resemble an express train hitting a stalled car on the tracks in the middle of a town the post office lost the zip code to. I think it will take some time for Chris to adjust, but I do believe he will adjust!

TALENT BOARD ROUND 2
The Philadelphia Eagles in the 3rd round of the 2002 draft picked Brian Westbrook (RB Villanova). Brian was about the same size as Chris is right now and everybody thought Brian would be an excellent third down back. But Brian fooled everybody! He bulked up and has become a franchise back because of his intelligence, his natural talent, his mental toughness and the ability to stay injury free. Chris has the same type of athletic talent as Brian. In fact, he just might be a little bit faster. He has been bothered in the past with injuries and does fumble at times, so he will have to bulk up and realize that to play hurt and to play with an injury are two different things. He has to learn to play hurt and to play through the pain. He has to learn when to go down and when not to push for more yardage. Chris is a natural runner when he runs through the tackles because he has good balance, vision, lateral agility and can break tackles with his speed and quickness. There is no doubt in my mind that Chris has the potential to be a franchise player. Give him the chance to touch the ball 15 or 20 times at different positions and special teams and Chris will be an impact player just like Brian and Reggie are for their teams. Chris is what is known in the game as a game breaker. He is the type of player that can score from anywhere on the field and on any given play. I going to call him Chris (Zip Code) Johnson because I think he can stand up to that train and re-establish that zip code the post office so conveniently forgot about.

 

[starfrombirth]

STOP Necro Time

Boyleheart on CJ

Chris Johnson RB East Carolina

STRENGTHS
Chris is a natural RB with good size and excellent speed and quickness to impact at the next level. He shows great vision and lateral agility in the hole. Chris is a recurring nightmare to deal with when he catches a swing pass out of the backfield and is in open space. He has good hands to catch the ball down the field like a WR and excellent body control to adjust to the ball. Chris has the potential to impact at the next level just like Brian Westbrook and Reggie Bush have for their teams. He has the speed, burst, quickness, vision, lateral agility and eye/ hand coordination to be an impact player.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE Chris has to learn to hold onto the ball, reducing his fumbles. He also has to learn how to block and how to play when he is hurting. Right now, Chris has shown no interest in blocking at all and that alone could keep him off the field and limit his ability to impact for the team that drafts him. He has to develop the mental toughness that it takes to be the player his talent suggests he can become. Chris, at the NFL level, is going to be hit and dropped to the ground for the first time in his life. When he is, it will resemble an express train hitting a stalled car on the tracks in the middle of a town the post office lost the zip code to. I think it will take some time for Chris to adjust, but I do believe he will adjust!

TALENT BOARD ROUND 2
The Philadelphia Eagles in the 3rd round of the 2002 draft picked Brian Westbrook (RB Villanova). Brian was about the same size as Chris is right now and everybody thought Brian would be an excellent third down back. But Brian fooled everybody! He bulked up and has become a franchise back because of his intelligence, his natural talent, his mental toughness and the ability to stay injury free. Chris has the same type of athletic talent as Brian. In fact, he just might be a little bit faster. He has been bothered in the past with injuries and does fumble at times, so he will have to bulk up and realize that to play hurt and to play with an injury are two different things. He has to learn to play hurt and to play through the pain. He has to learn when to go down and when not to push for more yardage. Chris is a natural runner when he runs through the tackles because he has good balance, vision, lateral agility and can break tackles with his speed and quickness. There is no doubt in my mind that Chris has the potential to be a franchise player. Give him the chance to touch the ball 15 or 20 times at different positions and special teams and Chris will be an impact player just like Brian and Reggie are for their teams. Chris is what is known in the game as a game breaker. He is the type of player that can score from anywhere on the field and on any given play. I going to call him Chris (Zip Code) Johnson because I think he can stand up to that train and re-establish that zip code the post office so conveniently forgot about.

Is Westbrook really that fast? He doesn't seem that way when I see him play. Good? yes. Fast? yes, but not blazing fast.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is Westbrook really that fast? He doesn't seem that way when I see him play. Good? yes. Fast? yes, but not blazing fast.

Keep in mind that this was written in December of 2007 but Westbrook ran a 4.57 so no hes not int he same league.

 

[TheCount]

Is Westbrook really that fast? He doesn't seem that way when I see him play. Good? yes. Fast? yes, but not blazing fast.

Yes, I find it a little odd that people make this comparison. Westbrook doesn't use speed to get it done, he uses wiggle. He just seems fast because he ends up in the open field so much thanks to his elusiveness.

I don't think Chris has near the wiggle Westrook does, he hasn't needed it against lesser compeition when he can just outrun everyone. But he will in the NFL where speed can be negated.

 

[theogt]

Is Westbrook really that fast? He doesn't seem that way when I see him play. Good? yes. Fast? yes, but not blazing fast.

Westbrook is more quick than fast, and Johnson is more fast than quick. They really don't look much alike at all on the field. They're not even close to the same size, so Drew's analysis is just off.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Interesting you say he did OK against top 25. He only played against two top 25 teams (Virgina Tech in the opener and a few weeks later against West Virginia) and he was less than OK against either.

Virginia Tech Stats:
10 carries, 29 yards, 0 TDs, and a pathetic 2.9 YPC
0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TDs, and obviously 0.00 Yard per catch

West Virginia States:
14 carries, 76 yards, 1 TD, and a really nice 5.4 YPC
3 receptions, 13 yards, 0 TDs, and 4.33 Yards per catch


His game against WVU was Ok, I suppose, and could have been better had he been given the ball more. I guess this one was more of a product of getting blown out. With that in mind though you'd think, with his recieving skills, he'd have been factored into the passing game a bit more. Just two weeks before that game he had a 5 catch, 136 yard, 2 TD performance in the passing game. It was against a much lesser opponent in North Carolina, however, and that has to be considered.

But, still, that doesn't make him OK against the top 25. He was passable against one and out right terrible against the other.

Now I'm not saying this cause I don't like the kid, I really do like him, but I wouldn't use doing OK against the top 25 as part of my argument.

 

[Merlin]

The comparison was of Westbrook before he bulked up, presumably he was somewhat faster before he bulked up.

 

[TheCount]

Interesting you say he did OK against top 25. He only played against two top 25 teams (Virgina Tech in the opener and a few weeks later against West Virginia) and he was less than OK against either.

Virginia Tech Stats:
10 carries, 29 yards, 0 TDs, and a pathetic 2.9 YPC
0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TDs, and obviously 0.00 Yard per catch

West Virginia States:
14 carries, 76 yards, 1 TD, and a really nice 5.4 YPC
3 receptions, 13 yards, 0 TDs, and 4.33 Yards per catch


His game against WVU was Ok, I suppose, and could have been better had he been given the ball more. I guess this one was more of a product of getting blown out. With that in mind though you'd think, with his recieving skills, he'd have been factored into the passing game a bit more. Just two weeks before that game he had a 5 catch, 136 yard, 2 TD performance in the passing game. It was against a much lesser opponent in North Carolina, however, and that has to be considered.

But, still, that doesn't make him OK against the top 25. He was passable against one and out right terrible against the other.

Now I'm not saying this cause I don't like the kid, I really do like him, but I wouldn't use doing OK against the top 25 as part of my argument.

Agreed.

We spent the better part of 3 days arguing over this in the Ray Rice thread. As I said then, stats mean nothing without context. 2 games is a tiny sample against top competition, and it's not like he blew the doors off in either of those games. For his career, I believe he averaged something like 3.3 yards per carry against teams in the top 25, but even that number is deceptive since one game was an absolute dud where he had like 1 carry. I have no idea what happened, he could have been injured. Could have had another guy in front of him. So when you look at that number you're going to say, wow he sucks.

But he could go into one game and rack up 150 yards, and all of a sudden that average looks not so bad.

I like CJ too, but I'm not willing to ignore the difficulties he may face in making the transition.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Westbrook is more quick than fast, and Johnson is more fast than quick. They really don't look much alike at all on the field. They're not even close to the same size, so Drew's analysis is just off.

At the combine Westbrook was 5-9 195. CJ is 5-11 195. Yeah they arent close to the same size.

And I will take Boyleheart's analysis who has all the film and reviews it extensively over you who hasnt seen any ECU games.

 

[theogt]

At the combine Westbrook was 5-9 195. CJ is 5-11 195. Yeah they arent close to the same size.

And I will take Boyleheart's analysis who has all the film and reviews it extensively over you who hasnt seen any ECU games.

Actually, Westbrook was 5'8". That's 3 inches of difference (or more precise, 2-5/8"). It's like saying Chris Johnson and Darren McFadden are the same size.

As for film, if you can't tell from 5 seconds of clips that they don't like anything alike, you're blind and useless.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, Westbrook was 5'8". That's 3 inches of difference. It's like saying Chris Johnson and Darren McFadden are the same size.

As for film, if you can't tell from 5 seconds of clips that they don't like anything alike, you're blind and useless.

Yeah and so is Boyleheart too? Youre the only one that is useless who thinks that you can glean anything from 5 seconds of youtube videos or that you are better player evaluator than Boyleheart.

 

[theogt]

Yeah and so is Boyleheart too?

I generally like Broylhart. But he's pretty far off on this one. At least in terms of the comparison.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey, if the shoe fits.

I generally like Broylhart. But he's pretty far off on this one. At least in terms of the comparison.

You think hes far off. Like I said Ill take his professional opinion reviewing film over your 5 second youtube video analysis.

 

[theogt]

You think hes far off. Like I said Ill take his professional opinion reviewing film over your 5 second youtube video analysis.

I really couldn't care less what you take.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really couldn't care less what you take.

Right back at you, ma'am. Point is hes a professional and you're simply arrogant with no real basis to go by. CJ hasn't done the 20 yard shuttle yet so really you saying hes not quick is based on nothing but a few youtube clips.

Its pretty sad as usual from you.

 

[theogt]

Right back at you, ma'am. Point is hes a professional and you're simply arrogant with no real basis to go by. CJ hasn't done the 20 yard shuttle yet so really you saying hes not quick is based on nothing but a few youtube clips.

Its pretty sad as usual from you.

Please, do continue to simply mimick the opinion of every draft website you read instead of formulating your own opinion.