Clabo or Winston which is the right choice ?

[kojak]

Do you have the link for this? I would be interested in reading that.

Winston said on Sirius XM NFL Radio that he knows he won’t get the kind of money he got last year from the Chiefs, when he signed a four-year, $22 million contract that included a $4 million signing bonus. The Chiefs cut him to avoid paying a $4.9 million base salary for 2013, and now Winston is just hoping some team will pay him more than $3 million in salary this year.

“In the $3-4 million range is something that I think is more than fair for a starter who has played pretty well throughout his career,” Winston said.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-million-calls-free-agent-market-frustrating/

 

[visionary]

You think this, because, as I always tell you, context matters, and you never keep anything you choose to believe in context. You're pulling a quote from Stephen Jones from back in January. And some fairly significant things have changed since January relative to our salary cap.

Here's a simliar quote from the same person from draft weekend:

:laugh2:

Zing!!!!

 

[DOUBLE WING]

That is such a dumb quote by Stephen Jones, though. Those guys are only "progress stoppers" if your coaching staff allows them to be. Signing a veteran doesn't mean they HAVE to start over your young player, at least that isn't the case anywhere in the NFL outside of Dallas. All it means is that you're bringing in another talented player to compete for the starting job.

 

[Sarge]

If you're gonna settle on Winston, you might as well put Parnell in there instead. .

Exactly.

 

[visionary]

You think this, because, as I always tell you, context matters, and you never keep anything you choose to believe in context. You're pulling a quote from Stephen Jones from back in January. And some fairly significant things have changed since January relative to our salary cap.

Here's a simliar quote from the same person from draft weekend:

So between January and April things relating to the cap have gone from,

we can sign anyone and "cap is irrelevant" to

We can't sign anyone because of cap limitations

Well ... If this was going to happen 3 monthsaref shouldn't our cap guru ( who negotiates all the contracts) have known this in January?

Excuse making at its finest

 

[Idgit]

So between January and April things relating to the cap have gone from,

we can sign anyone and "cap is irrelevant" to

We can't sign anyone because of cap limitations

Well ... If this was going to happen 3 monthsaref shouldn't our cap guru ( who negotiates all the contracts) have known this in January?

Excuse making at its finest

So...you're saying you've successfully read and interpreted both of the quotes provided from Stephen on this topic, realize that we've squeezed a monster extension for the QB under what in January had been an extended cap, realize, apparently, that you were wrong earlier, and you're still for some reason concluding that it's Stephen Jones making the excuses. Got it.

Gotta say, visionary, I think you're really just nailing this topic.

 

[visionary]

So...you're saying you've successfully read and interpreted both of the quotes provided from Stephen on this topic, realize that we've squeezed a monster extension for the QB under what in January had been an extended cap, realize, apparently, that you were wrong earlier, and you're still for some reason concluding that it's Stephen Jones making the excuses. Got it.

Gotta say, visionary, I think you're really just nailing this topic.

So are you saying that when we signed the QB to that contract our front office is so inept they did not realize we needed to upgrade the RT position or mismanaged the money available?

And by the way, it is not Stephen making excuses, it is you excusing the idiocy of our front office
Please get the "context" right
That is a problem I have noticed with you before

Gotta say Idgit you are doing your user name proud

 

[Idgit]

So are you saying that when we signed the QB to that contract our front office is so inept they did not realize we needed to upgrade the RT position or mismanaged the money available?

And by the way, it is not Stephen making excuses, it is you excusing the idiocy of our front office
Please get the "context" right
That is a problem I have noticed with you before

I'm not saying any of these things. I'm actually having a really hard time even following the line of argument you're even trying to use. I said earlier in the thread that we didn't have the cap room to sign a premium FA OT this season. You followed that up with a quote from Stephen Jones from January saying we had room to do what we needed to do in FA. The context of that quote was directly relating to the immediate cap situation at that time, the extension for Spencer, and the extension for Romo. I replied that context mattered and that that same Stephen Jones had said as recently as draft weekend that we were going to be limited in terms of signing VFAs.

All of this was in relation to our immediate ability to trade for and sign Branden Albert. Now. After the Romo extension, with Spencer franchised, and after the draft.

Sorry, but, yes, your context is all over the place.

Now you're apparently concluding that somewhere in the above *I'm* excusing the idiocy of our front office.

And all of this was because I originally said this:

You can do something similar in FA most offseasons without giving up a pick if you have the cap room to do it. The problem is, we don't have the cap room.

This is not excuse making.

It's not possible to debate you, visionary, when your reasoning on a topic is sliding all over the place. When your pronoun reference in the middle of the sliding arguments is completely unclear, and when you literally suggest I'm coming to conclusions that are literally the opposite of what is actually being said. You're game, in that you'll reply to every post, so, props for that. It's what I like best about your posting, honestly. You don't back down. But if you can't string together an argument from one post to another in a single thread, it gets really difficult to debate with you. It's tiring trying to organize the arguments for the both of us.

 

[xwalker]

clabo and its not even close. justice is probably worse than free at this point in his career. clabo gave up 3 sacks last year, all in the same game.

What does "justice" have to do with Eric Winston?

Are you confused with the NFL player named Winston Justice?

 

[visionary]

I'm not saying any of these things. I'm actually having a really hard time even following the line of argument you're even trying to use. I said earlier in the thread that we didn't have the cap room to sign a premium FA OT this season. You followed that up with a quote from Stephen Jones from January saying we had room to do what we needed to do in FA. The context of that quote was directly relating to the immediate cap situation at that time, the extension for Spencer, and the extension for Romo. I replied that context mattered and that that same Stephen Jones had said as recently as draft weekend that we were going to be limited in terms of signing VFAs.

All of this was in relation to our immediate ability to trade for and sign Branden Albert. Now. After the Romo extension, with Spencer franchised, and after the draft.

Sorry, but, yes, your context is all over the place.

Now you're apparently concluding that somewhere in the above *I'm* excusing the idiocy of our front office.

And all of this was because I originally said this:



This is not excuse making.

It's not possible to debate you, visionary, when your reasoning on a topic is sliding all over the place. When your pronoun reference in the middle of the sliding arguments is completely unclear, and when you literally suggest I'm coming to conclusions that are literally the opposite of what is actually being said. You're game, in that you'll reply to every post, so, props for that. It's what I like best about your posting, honestly. You don't back down. But if you can't string together an argument from one post to another in a single thread, it gets really difficult to debate with you. It's tiring trying to organize the arguments for the both of us.

I could care less what you like (or not) about my posting

The statement by Stephen jones was not in any "immediate" cap context, that is exactly the kind of excuse-making I am talking a out

It was in the context of cap room in general , hence the opening remark "room ALWAYS makes me cuckle..."
He was implying that we have the cap room to sign whoever we want and cap room is never an issue

When he says stupid stuff like this and people point out that these remarks are ridiculous, you are among the first to defend those remarks as accurate

But later on in a different thread you make excuses for our ability to sign much needed players because of lack of cap room

 

[john van brocklin]

Clabo or Eric Winston which is the right choice for the Cowboys and why ?

BOTH ! LOL

Really would like to see us sign a Guard more than a Tackle.