Claiborne in person is worse than on TV

[Blast From The Past]

Wow the bust is worse than I thought...

I finally am seeing the light on Mo. I think in this system he is a bust. Only because he was drafted so uber high and he hasn't produced vs. his draft status. Nice int. to close out the game yesterday, I'll give him props for that.

 

[CF74]

I finally am seeing the light on Mo. I think in this system he is a bust. Only because he was drafted so uber high and he hasn't produced vs. his draft status. Nice int. to close out the game yesterday, I'll give him props for that.

I keep hoping the light bulb turns on for the kid and he lives up to his pedigree but that analysis has dampened that ideal...

 

[revospeed]

I don't have any evidence. He may simply can't play football. But he had the "brains" to do it in college and be a projected top 10 pick though right?

No. The only thing he had the brains to do was pick a school with a great defense, playing in a conference where most teams have the offensive philosophy of Knute Rockne and two great corners opposite if him.

I say the guy is dumb because plays like a dumb player, scored slightly better than a rock on his Winderlic and hasn't proven that he had anything but hot air in his head.

 

[ROUSH8692]

I just watched the game again a second time. What I see now is clearly in my opinion poor "football intelligence".

He isn't going to be here next year at this pace.

The question is, why is he still here now...

AND...

Why did we give up a 1st and a 2nd for him?

 

[The Natural]

I have seen people saying how good Carr was yesterday and he was just as bad as Claiborne except for the fact Davis overthrew his man twice on plays that likely would have been long receptions if not TD's. We have to get better pressure than we did yesterday. We must tackle better as well. Last week against Tennessee we swarmed to the ball.....not so much this week and we got juked a lot...ton of extra yards due to that. In fact, I would guess we gave up close to 100 yds on plays we got juked on...not just normal RAC yards.

I agree with you. Now granted the stats show Carr didnt give up a reception..atleast at some point in the 4th Q that was the stat, so Im not going to dog him, but going off the eye test there were a couple of plays where he was toast. The speed (or lack of speed) at the CB position between Claiborne and Carr is very concerning to me.

 

[diehard2294]

You owe him an apology

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The question is, why is he still here now...

AND...

Why did we give up a 1st and a 2nd for him?

Because we had the worst secondary in the league prior to getting him.

 

[Team Speed]

We need play makers. He made a good play. Let's hope he can build on that. I like Patmon & Moore, & it was great to have Orlando back. We need to blitz MORE. No way We give Drew all day to throw the ball & win

 

[JohnsKey19]

Just got back from the game. Great win. Down 21-0 I was an unhappy camper. I will post my general thoughts in a separate thread but the horrid play of Mo deserves it's own thread. He is MUCH worse in person than on TV. I watched him on every snap and came away horrified. Yes, he got the pick at the end but that was nothing but an overthrow.

Deep speed= Nonew. He may be the slowest CB we have had since Anthony Henry. He can't catch anyone and WR's were constantly beating him down field. On top of his physical limitations he has no clue what he is doing. He spent half the game looking around for clues as to what he was supposed to do. One glaring play. I'll have to watch it to figure out where it was. But he was top of the field covering 13. A few seconds before the snap he started back peddling giving the WR a good 7-8 yard window to work with. At the last second he must have realized he was in the wrong coverage because he sprinted at full speed to the line, getting there as the ball was snapped. HE basically ran past the receiver, who was immediately six yards behind him. Luckily, Davis never saw it or it would have been another easy TD.

At best, he is the #4 CB on this team and for the money I would rather put Patmon out there. If we cut him tomorrow I would he a happy camper. Just an awful, awful player.

Rant over. Enjoyed the game. Love my fellow fans who showed up and packed the Jones dome!

This post reminded me of a game i went to many years ago at then Jack Kent Cooke stadium to see the Cowboys play the Skins. The Aikman-to-Rocket game. I could not believe how bad our CBs were seeing them in person. Somehow, Charlie Williams and Kevin Mathis were our starting DBs. I think Deion had a bad toe or something and sat out. Commanders WRs were open by 5yds on nearly every passing play. I think Brad Johnson broke a franchise record for passing yards.

 

[khiladi]

There's no comparison. I was asking a question. And Dez may have "broke" ankles but the corner read it TERRIBLY and paid for it. He tried to bite the wrong route. But there was no comparison. I was asking a question. Do you discredit that play because the corner screwed up? Of course not.

He bit on the route, partially because the play-action and because of the crisp route Dez had. Dez beat his man with a sick move... Nobody is discrediting the play of Claiborne. Dramatizing it as some masterful genius play or that it absolves him of what he did the whole game is absurd. Why are people posting stuff about owing Claiborne an apology? Uh no, they don't. It was overthrown and it was also when the Rams were pushing, based on time and the Cowboys were playing essentially prevent.

 

[sureletsrace]

He's been really bad.

If he isn't markedly improved in the first half of the Saints game, he needs to get benched for Moore or Patmon.

 

[silver]

You can't coach stupid. Somebody said that a while ago and it stands true with Mo. The kid had a ridiculously low wonderlic score, can't figure out zone defenses and doesn’t have the top speed to keep up with the speedy wide outs when they go deep. Having said that, the only way he can improve is by learning on the job, if we bench him now we might as well cut him since he won’t get better on the bench. Plus I doubt the coaching staff will pull the plug on him, since they signed off on him and his money is guaranteed. They have to make it work with Mo, as much as it pains the fan base.

 

[DiResta]

There's no comparison. I was asking a question. And Dez may have "broke" ankles but the corner read it TERRIBLY and paid for it. He tried to bite the wrong route. But there was no comparison. I was asking a question. Do you discredit that play because the corner screwed up? Of course not.

Jenoris Jenkins is a great example. if the dude wasnt a pothead who knows how high lol in the draft he would have gone or how good he could be. he flashes his football IQ by reading the QB and jumping routes sorta like Asante Samuel made a living doing but at great risk. he jumped the 1st for a pick6 but then got caught out by Romo as they double moved him later. but he flashed. you always know hey, if I stare down receiver this guy might run the route for him because he is crafty with a football IQ. and like Asante he will get it wrong plenty of times. thing is Claiborne should show something in his game but pretty much nothing since he was drafted. give him this play that iced the game sure but will it take 2 more years to make some play? Patmon got little time but flashed. Moore was everywhere with ff and tfl.

 

[Eddie]

Let's give up more top tier draft picks for a single player. It always works out for Jerry Jones.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He bit on the route, partially because the play-action and because of the crisp route Dez had. Dez beat his man with a sick move... Nobody is discrediting the play of Claiborne. Dramatizing it as some masterful genius play or that it absolves him of what he did the whole game is absurd. Why are people posting stuff about owing Claiborne an apology? Uh no, they don't. It was overthrown and it was also when the Rams were pushing, based on time and the Cowboys were playing essentially prevent.

I don't know about "owing" him a apology. I'm not even giving him a pass for his game yesterday. I initially was posting about how SILLY it is was to discredit his one play he made because it was a "overthrow".

IMO, if Claiborne drops that INT which he's very capable of doing....it could've possibly been a different result. That's it. It was a big INT. "Overthrow" or not.

Most INT's are badly thrown balls lol. That's why they are INT's.

Jenoris Jenkins is a great example. if the dude wasnt a pothead who knows how high lol in the draft he would have gone or how good he could be. he flashes his football IQ by reading the QB and jumping routes sorta like Asante Samuel made a living doing but at great risk. he jumped the 1st for a pick6 but then got caught out by Romo as they double moved him later. but he flashed. you always know hey, if I stare down receiver this guy might run the route for him because he is crafty with a football IQ. and like Asante he will get it wrong plenty of times. thing is Claiborne should show something in his game but pretty much nothing since he was drafted. give him this play that iced the game sure but will it take 2 more years to make some play? Patmon got little time but flashed. Moore was everywhere with ff and tfl.

I guess you can call that "IQ". I tend to believe jumping routes as frequent as Ashanti did will hurt you more than it does.

And in regards to Patmon and Moore.....I think its a lot easier for them to "flash" being they are guarding the #3 or #4 receivers out there. Claiborne is usually on the #1 or #2.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Let's give up more top tier draft picks for a single player. It always works out for Jerry Jones.

How many times has he done it?

 

[Teague31]

Boom. Called it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

At best, he is the #4 CB on this team and for the money I would rather put Patmon out there. If we cut him tomorrow I would he a happy camper. Just an awful, awful player.

Boom. Called it.

Well done.

 

[8FOR!3]

I think he's an idiot who was lucky to play on a great defense in a non-passing conference in college who for some reason was hyped to the moon by 'experts.'

And our GM fell for it and made an impulse buy on draft day.

I'm just gonna play devil's advocate for a minute. In 2011 he played against Geno Smith, so I'm assuming he was on Tavon Smith, maybe Stedman Bailey some. He played AJ McCarron who I think is a solid QB, but Bama definitely runs the ball a lot. He played Tyler Wilson who had a couple of NFL level wideouts, I know Arkansas liked to throw the ball that year. I believe he played against Aaron Murray. The SEC is seen as a non-passing conference, but they're a lot of talented QBs who have good to great weapons, gets better each year. Texas A&M throws the ball, Steve Spurrier's also really trigger happy.

Of course with that said, I have no idea how Claiborne played in any of those games.