Cleveland police refuse to participate in Browns’ national anthem

[Manwiththeplan]

now complain that the officers are expressing their freedom of speech.





YR

lol, don't think that's what he's saying, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's pointing out they are doing the exact same thing that they are criticizing the players for doing.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

lol, don't think that's what he's saying, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's pointing out they are doing the exact same thing that they are criticizing the players for doing.

I read it as the Cleveland PD views the whole ceremony as a farce. The Browns condoning disrespecting the flag and anthem means they're participating. Why would the PD want to take part in a fake dog and pony show?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I read it as the Cleveland PD views the whole ceremony as a farce. The Browns condoning disrespecting the flag and anthem means they're participating. Why would the PD want to take part in a fake dog and pony show?

If a player views the ceremony as a farce, do to what they perceive as racial injustice, and doesn't participate in it, are you as understanding?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

If a player views the ceremony as a farce, do to what they perceive as racial injustice, and doesn't participate in it, are you as understanding?

I understand their views, and in some respects agree it takes place. I do not agree though on how and where they do it. I see it as them hijacking someone else's stage and fan's experiences.

I would respect it more if they chose to be vocal and protest off the football field.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I understand their views, and in some respects agree it takes place. I do not agree though on how and where they do it. I see it as them hijacking someone else's stage and fan's experiences.

I would respect it more if they chose to be vocal and protest off the football field.

So when the Cleveland PD chooses not to participate, are they not hijacking someone else's stage and fan's experiences? Keep in mind, in every other game, they will be Players, Police Officers, Military Members and First Responders participating, and in Cleveland, the Police Department will be absent.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Nice strawman you've created since no one is saying the officers must work the flag.

And for the record, the Browns players knelt in prayer, but I'm sure it's more scandalous to say they "sat out the anthem", so have at it.

Its not a strawman. The original post talked about freedom of speech, not whether or not they had to work. Your response is the strawman.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And for the record, the Browns players knelt in prayer, but I'm sure it's more scandalous to say they "sat out the anthem", so have at it.

6 in 1, half dozen....



YR

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

yes, if the PD chose to participate in the ceremony and then did something during it that so many felt disrespected, insulted and alienated by, they would be hijacking and I wouldn't agree with them on that. I would more respect if the PD made their own stage to voice their protest.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

yes, if the PD chose to participate in the ceremony and then did something during it that so many felt disrespected, insulted and alienated by, they would be hijacking and I wouldn't agree with them on that. I would more respect if the PD made their own stage to voice their protest.

the police will be in the building more than likely, just like they are for every other home game in the NFL, they just won't be participating in the ceremony. Is that, that different from Colin Kaepernick sitting on the bench during the anthem? Remember, he started kneeling when a military member suggested that instead. personally, I don't see them as that different.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

the police will be in the building more than likely, just like they are for every other home game in the NFL, they just won't be participating in the ceremony. Is that, that different from Colin Kaepernick sitting on the bench during the anthem? Remember, he started kneeling when a military member suggested that instead. personally, I don't see them as that different.

not sure what your point is. The reason everyone's there is to watch a football game and escape from political and social anx. CK purposely chose to join the two and hijack his owners stage and fans experiences.

The police are there to provide security and safety.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

not sure what your point is. The reason everyone's there is to watch a football game and escape from political and social anx. CK purposely chose to join the two and hijack his owners stage and fans experiences.

The police are there to provide security and safety.

And Colin Kaepernick is there to play football. Yes he did choose to mix the two by not standing and choosing to not participate, and I do understand why someone would not like that. What I don't understand is how it's viewed differently that the police who are there to do a job as well, and then choose to not participate in the ceremony that happens on opening week of every year, in every stadium. It's the two wrongs make a right argument.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

And Colin Kaepernick is there to play football. Yes he did choose to mix the two by not standing and choosing to not participate, and I do understand why someone would not like that. What I don't understand is how it's viewed differently that the police who are there to do a job as well, and then choose to not participate in the ceremony that happens on opening week of every year, in every stadium. It's the two wrongs make a right argument.

ok, I understand your point but you are assuming every police officer who were to participate would be there already. I think it's a very real topic but there are endless real and pressing political/social topics someone could find to protest - what's next and I guess everyone should just accept.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Keep politics out of sports.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I hope everybody protests everything so nothing happens and the games get cancelled. At that point, maybe somebody or everybody will decide that they'd like to just play and watch football again.

 

[Risen Star]

All I know is if someone disrespects the flag and/or anthem in my presence they will feel the wrath of the Butcher.

It's not pleasant. Ask my parents.

 

[Kevinicus]

...What?

I am trying to see if your view on them standing for the first amendment and being upset by how someone uses that right is consistent.

 

[Dodger12]

What does the flag have to do with the Browns organization? Did the Browns found America?

I don't care if the officers feel offended and voiced that, but saying they aren't going to carry a physical representation of America because people are exercising the rights of Americans feels like arguing against yourself.

I have no idea what argument you're trying to make. The officers simply said they won't participate in the ceremony since the organization and some players want to be disrespectful to the flag and first responders. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

 

[Dodger12]

Sound like a bunch of self riotous cry babies.

That's one way to describe these entitled players. You're right; they should stick to playing football.

 

[TheCount]

I am trying to see if your view on them standing for the first amendment and being upset by how someone uses that right is consistent.

I don't even understand the scenario you've created as some sort of arbitrary test.

The Browns players decide to wave confederate flags on the sideline and add **** symbology to their uniform... is there any more context?

 

[TheCount]

Keep politics out of sports.

Good luck with that.