College athletes arise! You half nothing to lose but your chains!

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yeah, it half began at Northwestern University where a has-been athlete led the fight for the right to unionize "student" athletes.

Undoubtedly the main point by the athletes will be SHOW ME THE MON-AY!

Ok, pay them, all you rich colleges. This would be fitting at places like the Univese of Texas that half more money than Arthur Godrey and Leonard Nimoy combined.

But what of the small colleges barely making money and barely getting by on ticket sales?

If i am a college, this is what I would tell unionzed players who want monies:
OK, we will pay you as per the new contract between the college and your athletes.
Now, here is your bill for your four years of college education: $20,000 for small colleges or maybe $200,000 for what it costs to be schooled at top-tier universities.

And We will charge you for you unis, transportation to and from games, all medical and rehab and surgical costs and all publicity associated with your attendance here.

Also, as per the contract, you must maintain a C+ average in "real" courses that "real" students take as course requirements.

The following year, the student unions, faced with the realities of real life, disband and return to their cushy status as "student" athletes.


Holla!
problem (for the colleges) solved.

 

[BigStar]

Yeah, it half began at Northwestern University where a has-been athlete led the fight for the right to unionize "student" athletes.

Undoubtedly the main point by the athletes will be SHOW ME THE MON-AY!

Ok, pay them, all you rich colleges. This would be fitting at places like the Univese of Texas that half more money than Arthur Godrey and Leonard Nimoy combined.

But what of the small colleges barely making money and barely getting by on ticket sales?

If i am a college, this is what I would tell unionzed players who want monies:
OK, we will pay you as per the new contract between the college and your athletes.
Now, here is your bill for your four years of college education: $20,000 for small colleges or maybe $200,000 for what it costs to be schooled at top-tier universities.

And We will charge you for you unis, transportation to and from games, all medical and rehab and surgical costs and all publicity associated with your attendance here.

Also, as per the contract, you must maintain a C+ average in "real" courses that "real" students take as course requirements.

The following year, the student unions, faced with the realities of real life, disband and return to their cushy status as "student" athletes.


Holla!
problem (for the colleges) solved.

Or the professional leagues could not pidgeon hole young athletes into years of modern indentured servitude? Can't have it both ways. If you force them to go to school to meet some "qualification", that is surely agreed upon between collegiate sports and the professional leagues as a way to develop talent and stretch profit across both medians(NBA/NFL) . College tuition is heavily inflated as a result of the monopoly like structure of "pay to learn" acadmia in the US.

You don't charge them while you excessively profit from them. The profits "recouped" by the school more than make up for the funds tied into the glorified "scholarship" that couldn't land you a job in today's market anyway. Pay college athletes based off of the sport they play, the division (significance), and the "draw" of that sport (financially in that arena). Allow scholarships to become academically/sociologically based and sincere as opposed to some fantasy that allows "po students to get educated while they entertain" and "be grateful for it."

 

[Doomsday101]

Or the professional leagues could not pidgeon hole young athletes into years of modern indentured servitude? Can't have it both ways. If you force them to go to school to meet some "qualification", that is surely agreed upon between collegiate sports and the professional leagues as a way to develop talent and stretch profit across both medians(NBA/NFL) . College tuition is heavily inflated as a result of the monopoly like structure of "pay to learn" acadmia in the US.

You don't charge them while you excessively profit from them. The profits "recouped" by the school more than make up for the funds tied into the glorified "scholarship" that couldn't land you a job in today's market anyway. Pay college athletes based off of the sport they play, the division (significance), and the "draw" of that sport (financially in that arena). Allow scholarships to become academically/sociologically based and sincere as opposed to some fantasy that allows "po students to get educated while they entertain" and "be grateful for it."

Or colleges can say we refuse to be blackmailed and cut the programs altogether and guess what the colleges will still survive however kids who would never get the chance to go to college without a athletic scholorship can remain in their go no where lives. Also Title IX put in place by congress gives equal treatment to women so if men are being paid then equally women will also be paid.

 

[BigStar]

Or colleges can say we refuse to be blackmailed and cut the programs altogether and guess what the colleges will still survive however kids who would never get the chance to go to college without a athletic scholorship can remain in their go no where lives. Also Title IX put in place by congress gives equal treatment to women so if men are being paid then equally women will also be paid.

What is stopping them from doing that now? $, not the "chance to offer the opportunity." I just find that attitude to be condescending to the player athlete. We're offering you "the chance of a lifetime" leaving out the profits to be had by the school in the process as if it were out of their own good will. They are "paying" or "offering scholarships" to maximize profits for the atheltic program.

 

[Doomsday101]

What is stopping them from doing that now? $, not the "chance to offer the opportunity"

They money is not going into their pockets that money is put back into the program and into other athletic programs some that do not bring in the same amount of cash. Northwestern is going to appeal and the President at Northwester is prepared to cut the programs. Northwestern is not a powerhouse program in sports but they are one in academics. This ruling also only pertains to Northwestern other states have different laws and some schools are exempt because they are state ran colleges not private

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Or the professional leagues could not pidgeon hole young athletes into years of modern indentured servitude? Can't have it both ways. If you force them to go to school to meet some "qualification", that is surely agreed upon between collegiate sports and the professional leagues as a way to develop talent and stretch profit across both medians(NBA/NFL) . College tuition is heavily inflated as a result of the monopoly like structure of "pay to learn" acadmia in the US.

You don't charge them while you excessively profit from them. The profits "recouped" by the school more than make up for the funds tied into the glorified "scholarship" that couldn't land you a job in today's market anyway. Pay college athletes based off of the sport they play, the division (significance), and the "draw" of that sport (financially in that arena). Allow scholarships to become academically/sociologically based and sincere as opposed to some fantasy that allows "po students to get educated while they entertain" and "be grateful for it."

Doesn't work for me.

What about the Universe of Texas scrub who gets a 4-year education for 40,000K. What do he get paid, huh? The female soccer player who with her other teammates do not make enough in a year to pay for one team flight across the state?

I say with greatness come responsibility. Pay for your medical costs, rehab, books, tuition, unis, stake dinners, jet travel and publicity shots.
See? In time, some players will OWE money to the university for their time in the limelight of college football.
And the sad part of it is, maybe 5% of them will play professional football.

When the po kids play football, there are many expenses. lettuce see if their contractural pay can actually pay their "education" and the chance to showcase their talents for the pros.

Players, be careful what you wish (or vote) for. .

 

[BigStar]

They money is not going into their pockets that money is put back into the program and into other athletic programs some that do not bring in the same amount of cash. Northwestern is going to appeal and the President at Northwester is prepared to cut the programs. Northwestern is not a powerhouse program in sports but they are one in academics. This ruling also only pertains to Northwestern other states have different laws and some schools are exempt because they are state ran colleges not private

I understand that big money sports (Football and Basketball) fund the other sports programs. But why exactly? The football and basketball players should play for free so the swim team is funded? State and Private colleges will surely have different rules in place and kids will choose appropriately.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What is stopping them from doing that now? $, not the "chance to offer the opportunity." I just find that attitude to be condescending to the player athlete. We're offering you "the chance of a lifetime" leaving out the profits to be had by the school in the process as if it were out of their own good will. They are "paying" or "offering scholarships" to maximize profits for the atheltic program.

I can be condescending. Wait till colleges start discussions and you will really see what condescending means.

Be reals: many athletes go to college simply to showcase their talents and hope for a NFL contract (just talking football now). They are really not in it for the chance to learn calculus or english lit.
But the school has to play-act that they are getting a education and the players go along with the charade.
They benefit from each other in this current arrangement.

But once labor negotiations start, be assured that the schools will be in it (again) for profit. Once the players find that thier school paychecks do not even equal one-quarter of their actual expenses, it will be time for them to disband the organization and declare early (realy early) for the draft.

 

[BigStar]

Doesn't work for me.

What about the Universe of Texas scrub who gets a 4-year education for 40,000K. What do he get paid, huh? The female soccer player who with her other teammates do not make enough in a year to pay for one team flight across the state?

I say with greatness come responsibility. Pay for your medical costs, rehab, books, tuition, unis, stake dinners, jet travel and publicity shots.
See? In time, some players will OWE money to the university for their time in the limelight of college football.
And the sad part of it is, maybe 5% of them will play professional football.

When the po kids play football, there are many expenses. lettuce see if their contractural pay can actually pay their "education" and the chance to showcase their talents for the pros.

Players, be careful what you wish (or vote) for. .

He gets paid appropriately (not much, COLA) but Texas makes plenty of money to fund his "contribution" as one of the members of the entity that brings millions of dollars into the university every year. Divy it up appropriately. Cut the other sport programs if they aren't funded on their own. That is an easy one for me. We give flack to college football and basketball players for having a small chance to make it pro when just about every other sport has a 0% chance of college athletes pursueing a professional atheltic career upon graduation. What, zero is a percent?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

They money is not going into their pockets that money is put back into the program and into other athletic programs some that do not bring in the same amount of cash. Northwestern is going to appeal and the President at Northwester is prepared to cut the programs. Northwestern is not a powerhouse program in sports but they are one in academics. This ruling also only pertains to Northwestern other states have different laws and some schools are exempt because they are state ran colleges not private

Good post! Good points!

See, I knew that Doomsday would one day make a good argument for something. He is learning (from me) and growing.

I am so proud of you Doomsday that I will eat a extra stake in your honor.

 

[BigStar]

I can be condescending. Wait till colleges start discussions and you will really see what condescending means.

Be reals: many athletes go to college simply to showcase their talents and hope for a NFL contract (just talking football now). They are really not in it for the chance to learn calculus or english lit.
But the school has to play-act that they are getting a education and the players go along with the charade.
They benefit from each other in this current arrangement.

But once labor negotiations start, be assured that the schools will be in it (again) for profit. Once the players find that thier school paychecks do not even equal one-quarter of their actual expenses, it will be time for them to disband the organization and declare early (realy early) for the draft.

And that is the argument of college athletes. Why are they forced into this "scholarship" to only showcase their ability to NFL teams? The NFL and NCAA have a develpmental farm league without paying for it. Both parties are making out well ($). The NFL gets a a free training program to weed out those without the talent and the college gets 2-4 years of talent to bring in money for the school and fund other sports programs that wouldn't exist otherwise (appealing to other non football/bball students) as a marketing tool for prospective students. All for the cost of an "academic scholarship" that is not nearly as costly once bureaucratic/administrative costs are stripped. I wouldn't want things to change either (from NFL/NCAA perspective). They are making out fat.

 

[Doomsday101]

Doesn't work for me.

What about the Universe of Texas scrub who gets a 4-year education for 40,000K. What do he get paid, huh? The female soccer player who with her other teammates do not make enough in a year to pay for one team flight across the state?

I say with greatness come responsibility. Pay for your medical costs, rehab, books, tuition, unis, stake dinners, jet travel and publicity shots.
See? In time, some players will OWE money to the university for their time in the limelight of college football.
And the sad part of it is, maybe 5% of them will play professional football.

When the po kids play football, there are many expenses. lettuce see if their contractural pay can actually pay their "education" and the chance to showcase their talents for the pros.

Players, be careful what you wish (or vote) for. .

UT is not a private school it is a State ran college it is exempt from this ruling that passed at Northwestern which is not a state funded school it is a private school so the NLRB can go jump off a cliff because their crap does not apply at State Funded schools. Athlectic programs is not what keeps colleges alive they are not the NFL, when the NFL does not play games the owners and players lose out college is not dependent on football or basketball to survive their main goal is education so what player will go on strike? GO for it and the schools will remain open. As for what many go there for? fact is 99 percent of college players will never set foot on a football field how many draft picks are there each year? now how many kids graduate every year who played sports?

I have no problem having kids get spending money since holding a part time job, going to class and being involved in athletics is almost impossiable but that money should be given equally to each and every student on athletic teams, not one guy making big bucks while others get little. This is college not professional sports and push come to shove colleges will cut programs before they are blackmailed into anything.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He gets paid appropriately (not much, COLA) but Texas makes plenty of money to fund his "contribution" as one of the members of the entity that brings millions of dollars into the university every year. Divy it up appropriately. Cut the other sport programs if they aren't funded on their own. That is an easy one for me. We give flack to college football and basketball players for having a small chance to make it pro when just about every other sport has a 0% chance of college athletes pursueing a professional atheltic career upon graduation. What, zero is a percent?

Flak, Big Star, flak!
GOOD post!

 

[Doomsday101]

Good post! Good points!

See, I knew that Doomsday would one day make a good argument for something. He is learning (from me) and growing.

I am so proud of you Doomsday that I will eat a extra stake in your honor.

And that is the argument of college athletes. Why are they forced into this "scholarship" to only showcase their ability to NFL teams? The NFL and NCAA have a develpmental farm league without paying for it. Both parties are making out well ($). The NFL gets a a free training program to weed out those without the talent and the college gets 2-4 years of talent to bring in money for the school and fund other sports programs that wouldn't exist otherwise (appealing to other non football/bball students) as a marketing tool for prospective students. All for the cost of an "academic scholarship" that is not nearly as costly once bureaucratic/administrative costs are stripped. I wouldn't want things to change either (from NFL/NCAA perspective). They are making out fat.

How are they forced into scholorships, I know high school kids who would give their right arm to have a college recruiter talk to them to give them the oppertunity to go to college and play. No one is forcing anyone to go to college they can leave high school and go work at Jack in the box since the colleges are being so mean.

 

[BigStar]

UT is not a private school it is a State ran college it is exempt from this ruling that passed at Northwestern which is not a state funded school it is a private school so the NLRB can go jump off a cliff because their crap does not apply at State Funded schools. Athlectic programs is not what keeps colleges alive they are not the NFL, when the NFL does not play games the owners and players lose out college is not dependent on football or basketball to survive their main goal is education so what player will go on strike? GO for it and the schools will remain open. As for what many go there for? fact is 99 percent of college players will never set foot on a football field how many draft picks are there each year? now how many kids graduate every year who played sports?

I have no problem having kids get spending money since holding a part time job, going to class and being involved in athletics is almost impossiable but that money should be given equally to each and every student on athletic teams, not one guy making big bucks while others get little. This is college not professional sports and push come to shove colleges will cut programs before they are blackmailed into anything.

I think that is the system that is likely to be pursued instead of a "pay for play" kind've structure. Football/Basketball players would likely be paid a general salary dependant on the division of the school. It would become tricky, if Alabama is offering 20K a year to 1st year scholarship enrollees and Florida is offering 15K. That would be an ugly situation but is only forced due to the NFL and NCAAs current age and eligibility restrictions.

 

[BigStar]

How are they forced into scholorships, I know high school kids who would give their right arm to have a college recruiter talk to them to give them the oppertunity to go to college and play. No one is forcing anyone to go to college they can leave high school and go work at Jack in the box since the colleges are being so mean.

So they have to work @ Jack in the Box bc the NCAA and NFL devised a clever rule that forces young athlete's hand into "scholarship" opportunities. Like you said, these are generally young atheletes that could not afford college otherwise, so they offer this "scholarship" as payment. When it has been discovered how much profit the schools derive from these "scholarship" athletes, it is becoming clear that they ALSO don't care about these athletes. Why should they be forced to follow these rules for the pure motive of greed on behalf of the NFL/NCAA? Because they are too poor otherwise?

 

[Doomsday101]

I think that is the system that is likely to be pursued instead of a "pay for play" kind've structure. Football/Basketball players would likely be paid a general salary dependant on the division of the school. It would become tricky, if Alabama is offering 20K a year to 1st year scholarship enrollees and Florida is offering 15K. That would be an ugly situation but is only forced due to the NFL and NCAAs current age and eligibility restrictions.

Many of these college Jr are not ready for the NFL let alone kids younger than that, Yes there is a restriction and players should be thankful for that when so many hot shot college players have shown many times over they would have been better off staying the extra year as opposed to entering a league that physically and mentally they were not ready for..

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

UT is not a private school it is a State ran college it is exempt from this ruling that passed at Northwestern which is not a state funded school it is a private school so the NLRB can go jump off a cliff because their crap does not apply at State Funded schools. Athlectic programs is not what keeps colleges alive they are not the NFL, when the NFL does not play games the owners and players lose out college is not dependent on football or basketball to survive their main goal is education so what player will go on strike? GO for it and the schools will remain open. As for what many go there for? fact is 99 percent of college players will never set foot on a football field how many draft picks are there each year? now how many kids graduate every year who played sports?

I have no problem having kids get spending money since holding a part time job, going to class and being involved in athletics is almost impossiable but that money should be given equally to each and every student on athletic teams, not one guy making big bucks while others get little. This is college not professional sports and push come to shove colleges will cut programs before they are blackmailed into anything.

You bring up so many good points.
This labor push seemingly will half so many variables that I just cant see it working as part of the NCAA, small schools or big schools. The inquities in the labor system will soon turn athlete agin athlete. Who gets more pay? Which sports will be kept? Should Stanford pay the same as say Odessa College? Will college football begins a slow death? Will players be furloughed when small schools run out of money? so many variables.
Thx for the good points.

 

[BigStar]

Many of these college Jr are not ready for the NFL let alone kids younger than that, Yes there is a restriction and players should be thankful for that when so many hot shot college players have shown many times over they would have been better off staying the extra year as opposed to entering a league that physically and mentally they were not ready for..

That is why it is considered a free farm league. Weed out the average talent, and develop their bodies to be ready to compete in the NFL. MLB has the minors, the NFL has the NCAA. People calling for the rule change are merely asking for transparancy on behalf of the NFL/NCAA. No more "the opportunitiy" talk. Explain these profits?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

How are they forced into scholorships, I know high school kids who would give their right arm to have a college recruiter talk to them to give them the oppertunity to go to college and play. No one is forcing anyone to go to college they can leave high school and go work at Jack in the box since the colleges are being so mean.

Let us not forget that going to college means . . . BABES!