Collins working at Right Guard

[xwalker]

i think the obvious point is the 2012 and 2013 OLs were rather bad; this one isn't.

you have collins and green ahead of gibson as developmental guys this year.
gibson is your 3rd highest rated ROOKIE OT.
weems is ahead of him by having a couple years in the system already.

Last season:
Free/Tyron
Backup: Parnell
Backup Backup: Hills
Developmental player: Hawkins
IR: Weems

Last season:
Free/Tyron
Backup: Weems
Backup Backup: None (Martin or Collins would have to move over)
Developmental player: Gibson
IR: Green

If they can keep a purely developmental OT in 2014 then they could do it again in 2015. It seems to be a trend that they continued even when they were a really good OL in 2014.

FYI - Gibson is one of he most athletic OL on the team. He just has no clue how to play OT in the NFL at this point.

 

[Redball Express]

Just skimming through some Florida games from last year.

Chaz Green really looks like a good prospect. We need to get that guy back.

I think that is what happens.

Greene becomes a swing tackle while they decide what they have.

Greene was drafted before Collins showed up..

So I think they plan on using him on the 53 squad.

 

[NEODOG]

I wonder why Collins isn't seeing any work at RT. I was really hoping that would be his position of the future, not guard. I didn't like the Chaz Green pick, and was hoping Collins would be our RT of the future.

Then you guys didn't watch Green, just saw or heard bits. He is solid RT.... Played in SEC, didn't give up sacks or stupid penalties

He is WAY better than anyone gives credit

 

[jterrell]

Last season:
Free/Tyron
Backup: Parnell
Backup Backup: Hills
Developmental player: Hawkins
IR: Weems

Last season:
Free/Tyron
Backup: Weems
Backup Backup: None (Martin or Collins would have to move over)
Developmental player: Gibson
IR: Green

If they can keep a purely developmental OT in 2014 then they could do it again in 2015. It seems to be a trend that they continued even when they were a really good OL in 2014.

FYI - Gibson is one of he most athletic OL on the team. He just has no clue how to play OT in the NFL at this point.

1st this is the 2014 final cuts roster:
OT Tyron Smith
OT Doug Free
OT Jermey Parnell
OT Darrion Weems
OT John Wetzel

C Travis Frederick
OG Zack Martin
OG Ronald Leary
OG Mackenzy Bernadeau

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...s-roster-2014-53-man-roster-finalized-for-now

Hawkins was cut twice last pre-season.

Keeping Hawkins was done later and proved mostly pointless(now with Dolphins). Something I doubt is lost on the front office.
The team went out and added a 1st and 3rd round talent at OL. I doubt they are worried about development types this class.

Gibson is not that athletic if you factor in power. He is merely a light-footed quick guy.
But he has been routinely abused in camp.
Some of that is technique but the rest is strength.
He lacks the quickness and technique to play LT and lacks strength which is a big no-no for a RT.

He has zone tackle potential down the line but it is a few years away after he adds strength and technique.
He was arguably the best talent on the board when Dallas chose in round 6 but I see zero reason for them to keep him on the roster.

It looks right now like Wetzel is above Gibson on the depth chart.

Any 9th or 10th OL is developmental but it doesn't mean that will be Gibson or even a rookie.

Gibson is competing with all the guys in this camp and all the guys getting released.
I'd say it is very unlikely he sticks here through final cuts.
He is simply the kind of player who bounces around a bit and has to develop on a shallow roster.
Dallas was that in 2012/13 but it is not now.

 

[Stash]

I think there is a big difference between liking a player as a UDFA who can come in, learn how to play in your offense and be evaluated every single day by your staff vs. a guy who you liked being available post-camp. Holding a spot for a guy you had no chance to see at all would happen only if no one from camp did anything to make you want to keep them.

It certainly shows that the Broncos were looking at offensive tackles. And again, that was before losing Clady. I can't only think their interest will increase.

Same deal with the Giants - are they really so thin that they will use a roster spot just to ruin our plans? Doubt it.

I don't think it would be to ruin our plans but to give them more options, now or in the future. It's not like they have a bunch of great options now.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Then you guys didn't watch Green, just saw or heard bits. He is solid RT.... Played in SEC, didn't give up sacks or stupid penalties

He is WAY better than anyone gives credit

Didn't Collins play in the SEC as well as a tackle and come out with a much higher grade than Green.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

4) La'el Collins has now taken snaps at both left and right guard in this camp, but in visiting with Jerry Jones after practice, he could also be an option -- and I repeat, an option -- to see some work at tackle, as well. Jones was willing to give Darrion Weems the benefit of the doubt after the San Diego game, but that rope doesn't appear to have much more slack in it. Collins was solid in his work on the right side with no major mental or physical mistakes

 

[Stash]

Is this a Broaddus piece?

 

[Corso]

Yes, I did like every post @jterrell made in this thread.
I'm an admitted jterrell groupie and I think this man deserves more likes.

As for @stasheroo - he knows he's my Blu already.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Is this a Broaddus piece?

I think so......

 

[xwalker]

1st this is the 2014 final cuts roster:
OT Tyron Smith
OT Doug Free
OT Jermey Parnell
OT Darrion Weems
OT John Wetzel

C Travis Frederick
OG Zack Martin
OG Ronald Leary
OG Mackenzy Bernadeau

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...s-roster-2014-53-man-roster-finalized-for-now

Hawkins was cut twice last pre-season.

Keeping Hawkins was done later and proved mostly pointless(now with Dolphins). Something I doubt is lost on the front office.
The team went out and added a 1st and 3rd round talent at OL. I doubt they are worried about development types this class.

Gibson is not that athletic if you factor in power. He is merely a light-footed quick guy.
But he has been routinely abused in camp.
Some of that is technique but the rest is strength.
He lacks the quickness and technique to play LT and lacks strength which is a big no-no for a RT.

He has zone tackle potential down the line but it is a few years away after he adds strength and technique.
He was arguably the best talent on the board when Dallas chose in round 6 but I see zero reason for them to keep him on the roster.

It looks right now like Wetzel is above Gibson on the depth chart.

Any 9th or 10th OL is developmental but it doesn't mean that will be Gibson or even a rookie.

Gibson is competing with all the guys in this camp and all the guys getting released.
I'd say it is very unlikely he sticks here through final cuts.
He is simply the kind of player who bounces around a bit and has to develop on a shallow roster.
Dallas was that in 2012/13 but it is not now.

Again, in 2014 when they were one of the best OLines in the league, they carried a pure developmental type OT that they had less invested in than Gibson and that was when they had the extra guy Hills on the roster also.

I have no idea if they will carry Gibson on the 53 but it probably makes more sense to keep him as #4 than it did to keep Hawkins as #5 last year.

 

[dfan32]

I hope so but for a different reason than you might suspect. He will forever be tied to the "we should have taken a RB with that pick" crowd and frankly I don't want to hear about that for the next 5 or more years.

You know those same posters will be crying about something no matter what, so hoping against a player for that, probably won't yield the results you are hoping for!

 

[jterrell]

Again, in 2014 when they were one of the best OLines in the league, they carried a pure developmental type OT that they had less invested in than Gibson and that was when they had the extra guy Hills on the roster also.

I have no idea if they will carry Gibson on the 53 but it probably makes more sense to keep him as #4 than it did to keep Hawkins as #5 last year.

Hawkins is a G/T. He was also a Longhorn.

Gibson may be treated much like Hawkins in that he could get added to the squad after some point but he almost certainly passes through waivers first.

I've seen zero to suggest Dallas values Gibson since the draft occurred. But we'll see. It isn't a big deal either way.

 

[jterrell]

Yes, I did like every post @jterrell made in this thread.
I'm an admitted jterrell groupie and I think this man deserves more likes.

As for @stasheroo - he knows he's my Blu already.

nothing wrong with you having friends (like me)in low places lol.

 

[Alexander]

I have heard Gibson getting abused in basically every training camp report I read.
My sense is he has neither the athleticism nor technique to play in the NFL at this point but I could certainly be wrong.

Unless everything I have read about him is wrong, he has the athleticism. The technique, yes, he is probably downright primitive coming from Virginia Tech.

I do not see anything less in him that Parnell. In fact, I think he's a superior athlete. At least he was drafted.

 

[Bluefin]

But wouldn't they run Martin at RT instead of C if they had that in mind?

Jerry Jones said it was an option yesterday.

So is moving La'el Collins.

But Jerry expressed confidence in Darrion Weems becoming the swing tackle and Doug Free getting healthy at RT.

He said there are options they haven't looked at yet, such as moving a current starter on the line to RT, and that Collins has OT experience.

But Jerry's planning on Free starting and Weems being the back-up, at least at RT, which would cure a lot of the OL questions.

I wrote it up yesterday.

Jerry Jones: I think Darrion Weems, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt relative to the Chargers game, I think he's very legitimate way to go here as the swing tackle, obviously Doug Free is, we can afford to have the patience to let him come around right.

We've always got those things we aren't doing now, and that's look at any options we might have with 2-3 guys that can play the position, I'm talking about guys that are starting at other positions right now, and of course you know La'el Collins, as we all know Collins has some tackle experience, we got a lot of ways to go, I think where we are right now, I'm planning on, I have no reason to think Doug won't be, health wise, where we think he can be, and that Weems can't get to where we think he can be, at least at RT, and that cures a lot of the question.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I would love to see at least Martin if not Collins get some work at RT. I don't think anyone would bet money Free makes it 16 games and Collins should be the next guy off the bench. Both Collins and Martin were considered potential RT prospects coming out of the draft so one of them should be prepared to fill in when Free goes down....not Weems. Nobody can make an argument Weems is a better RT prospect than Martin or Collins.

Collins isn't a tackle in the pros..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Collins isn't a tackle in the pros..

I don't agree with this. I think he needs to work on his flexibility and core strength but I think he has the quickness and size/length to be an excellent RT.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I don't agree with this. I think he needs to work on his flexibility and core strength but I think he has the quickness and size/length to be an excellent RT.

you think the NFL is the place to try that experiment...his skill set is at guard, that's where he projects in the NFL, not tackle especially right tackle where he's never played...Just like with Martin, played left tackle in college but his skill set is projected as a guard in the NFL where he's an all pro....

 

[burmafrd]

Like Martin, Collins could probably be a good RT but that is all. I think Collins can be a Pro Bowl guard