Colombo, 'boys far apart in contract talks

[Mansta54]

yeah I'd bet that had more to do with the HC than the medical staff

David

 

[Alexander]

I missed it. With whom has he signed a contract?

Let's hold off on the failure until he signs with someone else. As far as Jerry getting him signed before FA started...how do we know that Colombo and his agent weren't bound and determined to go out to the market particularly with these insane deals. These guys--players and agents--knew the market was going to be through the roof this year.

They failed to get him signed to a reasonable contract before free agency.

I realize he's not gone yet.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

I'm not a big fan of how we approaching one of the biggest weaknesses of our team. Instead of getting better we are taking a step back.

exactly

 

[skinsscalper]

I would say given Jones history of paying guys who are proven here, Columbo priced himself out of town...or at the least, the Cowboys told him to go find his market value

it is not beyond the realm that our medical staff is saying to be cautious with him...sure everyone wants him back, but not to the extent that we kill ourselves cap eise in 2 or 3 yrs if his career ends prematurely because of the knee...we do have some history here with guys getting contracts late in their careers despite health concerns, and those contracts blowing up for us because said players career did end early

David

For those without a clouded memory, Jerry in the past has been loyal to fault. You hit this one on the head David. Jerry is morer than willing to shell out money to players that are worth the investment. Cheap is not a word I would use to describe Jerry Jones.

Another thing that I think people are missing the point on is the fact that we are paying a pauper's fare for everything from starting QB, to RB, to C-LT (in comparison to some of these mind boggling numbers we are seeing). These players/positions are going to need to be paid eventually (Tony Romo or Terrance Newman anyone?). If we squeeze our cap situation by signing guys like Dockery (WAY overpriced POS) at $49 fricken million then where exactly do you plan to come up with the cap space to pay your OWN superstar players? I disagree the notion that "It's the way it's going to be". The salary cap alone won't be able to sustain that type of dough being shelled out to mediocre players. A couple of owners out there have gone Danny Snyder and WAY overpaid for players that will never even sniff the end of those contracts (the Dockery signing alone reeks of Adam Archuletta, who will be lucky to see more than this next season in Washington). How long do you really think it will be before Clements is asked to re-structure his deal and have the 49ers by the balls in the process? How about Dockery?

It's obvious that as the cap goes up, salaries will go up. That's the way that the NFLPA and the NFL wanted it to go, but mediocre guards accounting for an average of 1/11th of your cap space is going to be a short lived trend. This is the weakest FA market in recent memory, yet some of these players are signing the richest contracts in NFL history. Overspending for the sake of spending at all is a blueprint for disaster (ask Snyder and the Skins faithful).

With that being said, I think that we can come to reasonable terms with Colombo and 2 teir guard (as long as Colombo isn't looking for Dockery money). If Colombo isn't re-signed it's a signal that he's priced himself out of the reasonable market. That's one thing Jones is is reasonable. But, if anyone on this board yesterday would have read that we signed a lazy ******* like Dockery to a 7 year/49mil dealthe pitchfork brigade would have been in full force over "Jerry's stupidity". You can't have it both ways.

SS

 

[dbair1967]

For those without a clouded memory, Jerry in the past has been loyal to fault. You hit this one on the head David. Jerry is morer than willing to shell out money to players that are worth the investment. Cheap is not a word I would use to describe Jerry Jones.

Another thing that I think people are missing the point on is the fact that we are paying a pauper's fare for everything from starting QB, to RB, to C-LT (in comparison to some of these mind boggling numbers we are seeing). These players/positions are going to need to be paid eventually (Tony Romo or Terrance Newman anyone?). If we squeeze our cap situation by signing guys like Dockery (WAY overpriced POS) at $49 fricken million then where exactly do you plan to come up with the cap space to pay your OWN superstar players? I disagree the notion that "It's the way it's going to be". The salary cap alone won't be able to sustain that type of dough being shelled out to mediocre players. A couple of owners out there have gone Danny Snyder and WAY overpaid for players that will never even sniff the end of those contracts (the Dockery signing alone reeks of Adam Archuletta, who will be lucky to see more than this next season in Washington). How long do you really think it will be before Clements is asked to re-structure his deal and have the 49ers by the balls in the process? How about Dockery?

It's obvious that as the cap goes up, salaries will go up. That's the way that the NFLPA and the NFL wanted it to go, but mediocre guards accounting for an average of 1/11th of your cap space is going to be a short lived trend. This is the weakest FA market in recent memory, yet some of these players are signing the richest contracts in NFL history. Overspending for the sake of spending at all is a blueprint for disaster (ask Snyder and the Skins faithful).

With that being said, I think that we can come to reasonable terms with Colombo and 2 teir guard (as long as Colombo isn't looking for Dockery money). If Colombo isn't re-signed it's a signal that he's priced himself out of the reasonable market. That's one thing Jones is is reasonable. But, if anyone on this board yesterday would have read that we signed a lazy ******* like Dockery to a 7 year/49mil dealthe pitchfork brigade would have been in full force over "Jerry's stupidity". You can't have it both ways.

SS

post of the weekend

David

 

[Alexander]

For those without a clouded memory, Jerry in the past has been loyal to fault. You hit this one on the head David. Jerry is morer than willing to shell out money to players that are worth the investment. Cheap is not a word I would use to describe Jerry Jones.

Historically, you are correct.

But he has maintained often since the season ended how much the overspending with no payoff last year left its mark.

 

[dbair1967]

Historically, you are correct.

But he has maintained often since the season ended how much the overspending with no payoff last year left its mark.

and he's right to be leary of overspending

David

 

[skinsscalper]

Historically, you are correct.

But he has maintained often since the season ended how much the overspending with no payoff last year left its mark.

And rightfully so, Alexander. Just because he's become more judicious (sp?) with the way that he spends his money doesn't mean that he's not willing to spend the money. He just wants to spend it more wisely.

SS

 

[Alexander]

and he's right to be leary of overspending

David

It is only overspending if you have a poor eye for talent.

Players like Boiman, Hannam and Fabini were simply bad talent investments who did not have much to offer in comparison to their cost.

Vanderjagt was a ticking time bomb.

Smarter decisions would have kept him from overspending.

Right now, signing a quality starting offensive lineman is a lot more rational than spending millions on a special teams linebacker, backup tight end/special teams player, aged right tackle insurance and a mentally unbalanced placekicker.

Jones is overreacting to the decision, not the items that made it a bad decision.

 

[Alexander]

And rightfully so, Alexander. Just because he's become more judicious (sp?) with the way that he spends his money doesn't mean that he's not willing to spend the money. He just wants to spend it more wisely.

SS

I cannot think of any position that isn't more worthy of having peace of mind than the offensive line.

Peace of mind will cost. There is not a "reasonable" option any longer. That window has closed.

 

[dbair1967]

It is only overspending if you have a poor eye for talent.

Players like Boiman, Hannam and Fabini were simply bad talent investments who did not have much to offer in comparison to their cost.
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and players like Davis, Dockery and Columbo all fall into this category too...none of them are very good or even solid NFL starters...they're average

overspending for "average" is always a bad idea IMO...we probably overspent in 1995 to get Deion, but he was the best CB in the league and arguably one of the best players all around...so it was a gamble that was worth it...there were also no questions with Deion's work ethic or health, and all these guys being tossed around now how those

David

 

[skinsscalper]

It is only overspending if you have a poor eye for talent.

Players like Boiman, Hannam and Fabini were simply bad talent investments who did not have much to offer in comparison to their cost.

Vanderjagt was a ticking time bomb.

Smarter decisions would have kept him from overspending.

Right now, signing a quality starting offensive lineman is a lot more rational than spending millions on a special teams linebacker, backup tight end/special teams player, aged right tackle insurance and a mentally unbalanced placekicker.

Jones is overreacting to the decision, not the items that made it a bad decision.

I certainly agree with you to a certain extent. But those signing were Parcells all the way. That's part of the remark Jones had about Parcells when he retired that "didn't work". During Parcells' tenure, Jerry wasn't much more than a check signer. Of course he had the final say and the stroke of the pen, but he valued Parcells input and nary said no to a Parcells request.

Now, it's Jerry's time (like it or not) to evaluate with Ireland, Phillips and Co. to decide which risk is worth taking. The results won't be seen untilthis time next year. But, I'm not ready to hang the guy for not biting on a ridiculous market just yet.

SS

 

[dbair1967]

I cannot think of any position that isn't more worthy of having peace of mind than the offensive line.

Peace of mind will cost. There is not a "reasonable" option any longer. That window has closed.

McQ and Proctor wouldnt "cost" and would be reasonable...draft picks used on the OL wouldnt be huger investments either and be "reasonable"

and guys like Davis and Columbo are just as big a gambles as draft picks or using whats already here on the roster IMO...one because he has always been mediocre on the field and has a terrible work ethic, the other because of a serious medical concern thats almost ended his career once already

David

 

[Hiero]

colombo had one decent year and got greedy.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Colombo asking price should be at a bargain for the Cowboys since they are responsible for his rehab and sucessful return to the football field. I wouldn't pay him over 8 million in guaranteed money.

 

[Alexander]

and players like Davis, Dockery and Columbo all fall into this category too...none of them are very good or even solid NFL starters...they're average

You think everyone is terrible or "average", so forgive me if I don't take your evaluation skills all that seriously.

Post after post from you talks about how this player is garbage and not worth this or that. You do it all of the time. You have perhaps the most unrealistic criteria I have seen on this board.

The whole NFL is full of talent that will never be "solid". At least in your book.

 

[dbair1967]

You think everyone is terrible or "average", so forgive me if I don't take your evaluation skills all that seriously.

Post after post from you talks about how this player is garbage and not worth this or that. You do it all of the time. You have perhaps the most unrealistic criteria I have seen on this board.

The whole NFL is full of talent that will never be "solid". At least in your book.

they dont have to be allpros A, but come on...Dockery and Davis are both guys who year after yr after their work ethic and conditioning questioned...they are both penalty machines...one of them has been tried at numerous OL positions with only mediocre results

those guys are average

David

 

[fanfromvirginia]

they dont have to be allpros A, but come on...Dockery and Davis are both guys who year after yr after their work ethic and conditioning questioned...they are both penalty machines...one of them has been tried at numerous OL positions with only mediocre results

those guys are average

David

Dockery is not a penalty machine. I and others, on numerous occasions, pointed out to you that last year his combined penalty yardage was 40. That includes his infamous 6 false starts. You have mentioned the 6 false starts on multiple occasions and have yet, to my memory, acknowledged that his one holding all year was a good thing.

On edit: This doesn't make Dockery a great player. I'm not really sure how good he is or how much money he deserves. I think the jury's out on that.

 

[burmafrd]

just ignore him. I think he and peashooter are twins.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

him and the cowboys seem to be far apart on numbers.

Marc Colombo-T- CowboysMar. 3 - 10:09 am et

Free agent T Marc Colombo visited the Broncos on Friday.
He was considered a priority for the Cowboys after they re-signed Andre Gurode, but the sides are reportedly far apart in contract talks. Denver may be looking to beef up at right tackle after trading George Foster.

Whats the source here???