Colts Eberflus has a top 10 D with similar talent

jterrell

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Colts have 2 All Pro defenders.
I mean this kinda stuff has to stop.
It's just egregiously and demonstrably false for no reason other than to make a goofy point we all agree with anyway.
 

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This is so off base they have an elite player at each level of the defense. PFF grades at their position this year: buckner 4th, leonard 10th, and x rhodes 12th.

We have D law who only likes to be on the field for 60% of the snaps
Players rarely decide to come out
Other than zeke
Our dline plays in a rotation they don’t check in an out line zeke does
 

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My point is the talent level isn't that far off from the Colts. It just shows what a good DC can do.
A great defense doesn’t require 11 pro bowlers
It requires a coach and scheme that gets the most out of the talent you have
We have a scheme the players obviously don’t fit and too many under performing
 

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I just hope Jerry gets lucky with new DC. We all have to hope for luck because there really is little else that you can trust when it comes to decision making.
 

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Colts have 2 All Pro defenders.
I mean this kinda stuff has to stop.
It's just egregiously and demonstrably false for no reason other than to make a goofy point we all agree with anyway.

Leonard is an all pro? Myself don't follow the Colts. Is he prime Demarcus Ware good? Stats don't show it.
 

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There are no more good defenses in this league. Now all you need to do is stuff the run and get a little pressure on the QB. The rest of the defense can be average. As long as the offense does its job, that is now a good D in this league. A good example is the Commanders with an offense.
 

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I was listening to a Voch Lombardi podcast this morning and he made a very good point; a good DC can get success out of a talent deficient unit. He used the Colts and Matt Eberflus as a good example. Here is their current depth chart:

DE-Houston
DT-Buckner
DT-Stewart
DE-Autry

Just 1 stud in Buckner who they traded a first rd pick for

WLB-Leonard
MLB-Walker
SLB-Okereke

Once again just 1 stud in Leonard

CB-Ya-Sin
CB-Rhodes
SS-Willis
FS-Blackmon

Average

Eberflus basically has two studs within the entire unit, yet his defense was ranked within the top 10.

A good DC, can be all of difference.
We had a top 10 defense with many of the same core players that we have now. The problem clearly was the DC. Hopefully we don't let McCarthy choose one of his boys as DC this time around.
 

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What happened to Hooker? I thought he was going to be an All Pro Safety by now. The problem with the Cowboys defense is LVE and Jaylon have failed to live up to the expectations they had after the 2018 season. They were supposed to be two top 5 linebackers wrecking havoc. Now LVE is unreliable and Jaylon has regressed to the point that there are rumors he will be released.
Really? Thats the problem with the defense?
Having 2 Lbers not play at a probowl level is why we were the worst defense in the history of this franchise? We gave up almost 500 yards because Jaylon and LVE regressed?

Seems like you are missing the real reasons.
 

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I just like the way the Colts' D plays. They are opportunistic and play an extremely smart brand of defense.

It is too bad Eberflus was too afraid to step on Marinelli's toes that he moved on.
 

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I was listening to a Voch Lombardi podcast this morning and he made a very good point; a good DC can get success out of a talent deficient unit. He used the Colts and Matt Eberflus as a good example. Here is their current depth chart:

DE-Houston
DT-Buckner
DT-Stewart
DE-Autry

Just 1 stud in Buckner who they traded a first rd pick for

WLB-Leonard
MLB-Walker
SLB-Okereke

Once again just 1 stud in Leonard

CB-Ya-Sin
CB-Rhodes
SS-Willis
FS-Blackmon

Average

Eberflus basically has two studs within the entire unit, yet his defense was ranked within the top 10.

A good DC, can be all of difference.

They had better depth and were healthy. We fielded 2nd and 3rd and 4th teamers all season long. Some games half the defense were these backups.
 

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Really? Thats the problem with the defense?
Having 2 Lbers not play at a probowl level is why we were the worst defense in the history of this franchise? We gave up almost 500 yards because Jaylon and LVE regressed?

Seems like you are missing the real reasons.
The poor linebacker play is the problem because that is were the investments went into. The two highest payed players on defense is Tank and Jaylon. Neither player played up to their salary but Jaylon was a liability on the field. Teams game planned specifically to get Jaylon in coverage. The Football Team dinked and dunked us to death because they knew he could not cover. LVE was a middle 1st round draft pick who was 2nd team all pro his rookie season. He is now injury prone and has not played in a meaningful game in two seasons. Yes I blame these two guys for the problems with our defense. There job is to make plays and lead by example. They have done nothing in the last two years.
 

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They got a nice defense but I think Josh Allen is gonna carve em up.
 

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We have 0 difference makers on defense at any level.

DE- D Law is a great run defending DE, but has been nothing more than an above average (at best) pass rusher since mid 2018. Aldon Smith and Gregory are more hype and potential than substance.

DT- Nothing to speak of here. Gallimore may develop into a good part time pass rusher, but has a long way to go before he can be played full time. Hill was just getting to playable and now has to come back from an acl. We perpetually need a 1 tech...

LB- Jaylon is mediocre and LVE is Sean Lee 2.0

S- Woods stinks. Wilson is a scary heat seeking missile but how much skill? Just another version of Heath?

CB- Diggs is very promising, 1st cowboys CB we’ve seen in a while that is actually capable of playing the ball in the air. Complete overhaul is needed at the position behind him.
 

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Not sure Lawrence is responsible for taking himself off the field. But I agree to some extent about the Colts' talent, and one big difference is that they have an interior playmaker. The 4-3 is predicated on having a disruptive player at 3-tech and a player at NT who can occupy two blockers. If you have that then the linebackers can stay relatively clean to go make plays.

Although I'm not saying either of our linebackers are close to being as good as Leonard, I also don't think they are as bad as they appeared this year. (They are probably closer to what they appeared to be a couple of years ago.) The problem is we have no one at DT to protect them. The 3-tech doesn't consistently get into the backfield to throw the timing of plays off and the NTs can often be handled by one blocker.
An elite player in the middle is huge.

We've been spoiled of late with future ROH inductee Tyrone Crawford, but its likely he will retire off the strength of this past season.

Its paramount to replace him so we don't lose the benefits of the other cornerstone, #54.

I used to think Jerry was a buffoon who was a master salesman.

Now he is simply a buffoon.
 

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Technically we had a top 10 defense the last 2 years with Marinelli if you consider yards and pts. But we know in critical moments the D broke at the worst times and didn't generate enough turnovers. Sure Byron Jones was a loss, but Nolan led this D off a cliff.

Coaching does matter and as disgusted as we were with a bend don't break simple D the players knew their assignments and executed for the most part. Maybe Nolan didn't have totally a fair shake with the short offseason, but 6 weeks into the season we should have seen significant improvement with amble time to practice. The Colts certainly reinforce this.
 

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I agree a good coordinator makes a huge difference. They put their players in better position to make plays BUT, they have more talent than what we dragged out at the end of the year. 4-5 of our guys were below average on that last possession.
I always get a kick of the polarizers who endlessly drone on about it being about either talent or coaching, never having the brain power to even consider that it could be both!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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We had a top 10 defense with many of the same core players that we have now. The problem clearly was the DC. Hopefully we don't let McCarthy choose one of his boys as DC this time around.
With the failure of MM's hand-picked guy, you would think the front office will be apart of the decision this time around.
 
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