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[nobody]

Subconsciously or consciously? I ask because Kal-El has always consciously controlled himself. There were examples of his superhuman self-aware restraint even in the movies like Superman: The Movie and Man of Steel. As far as video media is concerned, I believe DC summed up his never-ending predicament in the episode Destroyer--which was the series finale of Justice League Unlimited:



The animated movie, Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, is based on Earth-1's universe (I think)--which is DC's primary reality. I was tempted to post a clip from a Supergirl television series episode, which showed Supergirl beating Superman but her series is based on Earth-38 and definitely an alternate reality like the Arrowverse.

Getting back to S/B:A, Batman explains his rationale for why Kara may be stronger than Kal-El. I clipped the scene from HBO Max and uploaded it to YouTube. I couldn't find it already posted on YouTube. Why can't thousands and thousands of other people make this easy for me to post here?



Kal-El has the superior edge on Kara Zor-El in experience though.

I have disagree. I think Kal-El is far stronger. However, he has more psychological limits from being raised human. Kara was mostly raised Kryptonian and thus will hold back far less. After all, he's been on Earth far longer and had more time to absorb the effects of the Yellow sun longer. That's shown in various stories where he's spent time in the Sun for a long time and come out godlike. Kara being stronger was a far more recent change and one that never really made sense unless it has more to do with psychology and how they were raised, which is psychological.

 

[quickccc]

I have disagree. I think Kal-El is far stronger. However, he has more psychological limits from being raised human. Kara was mostly raised Kryptonian and thus will hold back far less. After all, he's been on Earth far longer and had more time to absorb the effects of the Yellow sun longer. That's shown in various stories where he's spent time in the Sun for a long time and come out godlike. Kara being stronger was a far more recent change and one that never really made sense unless it has more to do with psychology and how they were raised, which is psychological.

Subconsciously or consciously? I ask because Kal-El has always consciously controlled himself. There were examples of his superhuman self-aware restraint even in the movies like Superman: The Movie and Man of Steel. As far as video media is concerned, I believe DC summed up his never-ending predicament in the episode Destroyer--which was the series finale of Justice League Unlimited:



The animated movie, Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, is based on Earth-1's universe (I think)--which is DC's primary reality. I was tempted to post a clip from a Supergirl television series episode, which showed Supergirl beating Superman but her series is based on Earth-38 and definitely an alternate reality like the Arrowverse.

Getting back to S/B:A, Batman explains his rationale for why Kara may be stronger than Kal-El. I clipped the scene from HBO Max and uploaded it to YouTube. I couldn't find it already posted on YouTube. Why can't thousands and thousands of other people make this easy for me to post here?



Kal-El has the superior edge on Kara Zor-El in experience though.

Thanks for Sharing ,...

I don't get the aging factor of the Kryptonians.

If Kal-el can go from toddler.... to kid ....to teenager.. and into adulthood as Superman, by Earth's standard ..then why hasn't he aged into a very old man by now ?

Ditto for Kara,. what age did she arrive as Super Girl, and why hasn't she developed into adult hood by now as Kal-El has ..?

 

[DallasEast]

I have disagree. I think Kal-El is far stronger. However, he has more psychological limits from being raised human. Kara was mostly raised Kryptonian and thus will hold back far less. After all, he's been on Earth far longer and had more time to absorb the effects of the Yellow sun longer. That's shown in various stories where he's spent time in the Sun for a long time and come out godlike. Kara being stronger was a far more recent change and one that never really made sense unless it has more to do with psychology and how they were raised, which is psychological.

Being raised within a human environment would logically impact Kal-El psychologically but he is consciously aware of keeping his abilities in check. Everyone's safety is on his mind 24/7. Any abrupt movement could seriously injure or kill someone standing or walking beside him.

I am only posting the seemingly recent position DC has taken about their individual power levels. There was a fairly recent storyline that I haven't read personally but noted in an article (link last year), where that reality's Kara (Ultragirl) was notably stronger than her cousin (Ultraman). The supposed rationale was because Kara had lived far longer in Krypton's harsh environment before coming to Earth. That automatically makes me question how competitive Superman, oops, Ultraman would be facing other Kryptonians who lived far longer than Kara had--like General Zod for instance. Here is an issue cover from the storyline:

Apologies for the image size. I linked it directly from the article without manually resizing it. EDIT: Resized the image.

 

[DallasEast]

Thanks for Sharing ,...

I don't get the aging factor of the Kryptonians.

If Kal-el can go from toddler.... to kid ....to teenager.. and into adulthood as Superman, by Earth's standard ..then why hasn't he aged into a very old man by now ?

Ditto for Kara,. what age did she arrive as Super Girl, and why hasn't she developed into adult hood by now as Kal-El has ..?

Answer: the yellow sun radiation has infused into their cellular structures and slowed the aging process.

 

[quickccc]

Answer: the yellow sun radiation has infused into their cellular structures and slowed the aging process.

So that radiation slow aging process only kicks in during between Clark's adolescent teens to his adulthood ?

And Super Girl had to grow into Super Girl.. but she never grows into "Super Woman ? ......

i can get the Asgardians and Olympians ala Thor, Hercules have to have a slow aging genetic and maybe they grow from toddler to adulthood by the eons years.
but the Kryptonians to from Smallville to Metropolis, show growth and age,.. then stop aging for decades, can you see how it can be confusing ...?

 

[DallasEast]

So that radiation slow aging process only kicks in during between Clark's adolescent teens to his adulthood ?

And Super Girl had to grow into Super Girl.. but she never grows into "Super Woman ? ......

i can get the Asgardians and Olympians ala Thor, Hercules have to have a slow aging genetic and maybe they grow from toddler to adulthood by the eons years.
but the Kryptonians to from Smallville to Metropolis, show growth and age,.. then stop aging for decades, can you see how it can be confusing ...?

The comic book publishers created fictional explanations for mythological characters. And yes, the Kryptonians may be more recent than Norse and Greek characters but they are equally mythical in nature.

In my opinion, there must come some point where imagination must stop nitpicking. Any one of us can tear any of these characters to bits by applying logic. Take one of your favorites for example: Daredevil. Radioactive gunk splashed into Matt Murdock's face and eyes. He should have received significant radiation burns. It is highly likely the radioactive toxicity should have developed into a lethal form of cancer. There would have been a minute chance of him ever meeting others like Stick, Elektra, etc., in a city of millions wrapped within a planet of billions. Rationalization does not stop here.

Yet despite this, The Man Without Fear is a popular, decades old, blind-as-a-bat, fictional character employing fantastical hyper senses, leaping gracefully from rooftop to rooftop, cleaning up Hell's Kitchen one punk or supervillain at a time.

The erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts. My advice? Accept the erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts.

 

[quickccc]

The comic book publishers created fictional explanations for mythological characters. And yes, the Kryptonians may be more recent than Norse and Greek characters but they are equally mythical in nature.

In my opinion, there must come some point where imagination must stop nitpicking. Any one of us can tear any of these characters to bits by applying logic. Take one of your favorites for example: Daredevil. Radioactive gunk splashed into Matt Murdock's face and eyes. He should have received significant radiation burns. It is highly likely the radioactive toxicity should have developed into a lethal form of cancer. There would have been a minute chance of him ever meeting others like Stick, Elektra, etc., in a city of millions wrapped within a planet of billions. Rationalization does not stop here.

Yet despite this, The Man Without Fear is a popular, decades old, blind-as-a-bat, fictional character employing fantastical hyper senses, leaping gracefully from rooftop to rooftop, cleaning up Hell's Kitchen one punk or supervillain at a time.

The erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts. My advice? Accept the erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts.

Hmm.. Ironically I think I recall that very same radiation" slash" rationale before from one of our fellow brethren here;

@Runwildboys ...?

Here’s rationale for the Splash Bruthas' with Murdock origin.
- Do we know what small amount of radiation splash (or drops ?) got into Matt Murdock’s retina eyes retina? .. ..what angle did the exposed ’ splash drops’ come
from ..whereas it contacts with his eyes but not his face ?

But if I take one of my ole' school pet peeve as maybe a perfect example for imagination nitpick critique …. drum roll pleeez.. heh heh..

- Between the satellites, helicopters, countless thrill seeking reporters and snooping photographers ala Jimmy Olsons Peter Parkers, etc. and thousands of victims in despair
that have been personally rescued by Superman up close to recognize his face …, and thousands very well aware of Clarke Kent’s face – as Daily Planet’s favorite,
you would think “thousands and plus ’. could easily pick up both the same face identity of Superman and Clarke Kent.
- Despite Clarke only using mere eye glasses as a " identity disguise " . . lol

- Even Margot Kidder's Lois Lane in Superman II finally sorted out her dizziness and to personally see Christopher Reeves' face look up close without his nerdybi-focals
to realize how much Reeves looks exact just like her beloved - she didn't have to jump into a ramping roaring
lake at Niagra Falls to prove so . .

 

[Roadtrip635]

The comic book publishers created fictional explanations for mythological characters. And yes, the Kryptonians may be more recent than Norse and Greek characters but they are equally mythical in nature.

In my opinion, there must come some point where imagination must stop nitpicking. Any one of us can tear any of these characters to bits by applying logic. Take one of your favorites for example: Daredevil. Radioactive gunk splashed into Matt Murdock's face and eyes. He should have received significant radiation burns. It is highly likely the radioactive toxicity should have developed into a lethal form of cancer. There would have been a minute chance of him ever meeting others like Stick, Elektra, etc., in a city of millions wrapped within a planet of billions. Rationalization does not stop here.

Yet despite this, The Man Without Fear is a popular, decades old, blind-as-a-bat, fictional character employing fantastical hyper senses, leaping gracefully from rooftop to rooftop, cleaning up Hell's Kitchen one punk or supervillain at a time.

The erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts. My advice? Accept the erratic Kryptonian aging process is nuts.

Don't go messing with Daredevil........

How many people have been exposed to assorted radiations, toxins etc. that didn't survive, didn't gain special abilities or lived their life with the expected outcome from such events? Well, they don't write stories about those people, they write stories about those very special few that somehow buck the odds and become extraordinary from the event. Heck there was probably someone in that very same crowd that was also exposed to the same radiation that Matty was, but they ended up with cancer and passed away, but they didn't write that short and vert sad story.

Maybe there was a scientist working in a lab that gets splashed in the eyes by the very same radioactive gunk, except he didn't get any special abilities. He just became blind, got a sizable settlement after signing a nondisclosure agreement, got a seeing eye dog and now teaches freshman Chem at the local community college, but where is his comic?

 

[nobody]

Hmm.. Ironically I think I recall that very same radiation" slash" rationale before from one of our fellow brethren here;

@Runwildboys ...?

Here’s rationale for the Splash Bruthas' with Murdock origin.
- Do we know what small amount of radiation splash (or drops ?) got into Matt Murdock’s retina eyes retina? .. ..what angle did the exposed ’ splash drops’ come
from ..whereas it contacts with his eyes but not his face ?

But if I take one of my ole' school pet peeve as maybe a perfect example for imagination nitpick critique …. drum roll pleeez.. heh heh..

- Between the satellites, helicopters, countless thrill seeking reporters and snooping photographers ala Jimmy Olsons Peter Parkers, etc. and thousands of victims in despair
that have been personally rescued by Superman up close to recognize his face …, and thousands very well aware of Clarke Kent’s face – as Daily Planet’s favorite,
you would think “thousands and plus ’. could easily pick up both the same face identity of Superman and Clarke Kent.
- Despite Clarke only using mere eye glasses as a " identity disguise " . . lol

- Even Margot Kidder's Lois Lane in Superman II finally sorted out her dizziness and to personally see Christopher Reeves' face look up close without his nerdybi-focals
to realize how much Reeves looks exact just like her beloved - she didn't have to jump into a ramping roaring
lake at Niagra Falls to prove so . .

The Donner cut of Superman 2 has a superior way of her proving it. She points a gun at him and fires it, but it is full of blanks. She tricks him into revealing himself.

 

[DallasEast]

Pandora Defeates Earth as Avatar 2 Beats Top Gun 2 to Become 2022's Box Office Champion
By Germain Lussier | Yahoo! News/Gizmodo
January 5, 2023

The Way of Water has cracked the top 10 highest-grossing films of all time.

In Avatar: The Way of Water, people from Earth hunt down the Na’vi of Pandora as part of a larger plan to take over their planet. But here on actual Earth, the Na’vi have officially won the war.

As of Wednesday, James Cameron’s sequel has grossed $1.51 billion globally, which bests the $1.49 billion Top Gun: Maverick grossed earlier this year. That means Avatar: The Way of Water is now the highest-grossing film of 2022 globally. Domestically, it’s a different story; Maverick still comfortably sits at the top of the mountain, over $260 million ahead. (Maverick stands at $718 million domestic, Way of Water was at $454 million as of Wednesday). To put that in perspective, that’s one full The Amazing Spider-Man.

But Avatar has never been just a domestic franchise. The original film, which grossed a still hugely impressive $785 million domestically (good for fourth all-time), grossed over three times that internationally for a global cume of almost $3 billion. So that it’s outgrossed Maverick, a film with its roots very much in Americana, internationally isn’t really a surprise. What is a surprise is that it did so quickly. The Way of Water has been in theaters for just about three weeks in total. It’s still got weeks, probably months, of playing in theaters and getting those numbers up. We’re looking at a true box office juggernaut.

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[Stash]

Pandora Defeates Earth as Avatar 2 Beats Top Gun 2 to Become 2022's Box Office Champion
By Germain Lussier | Yahoo! News/Gizmodo
January 5, 2023

The Way of Water has cracked the top 10 highest-grossing films of all time.

In Avatar: The Way of Water, people from Earth hunt down the Na’vi of Pandora as part of a larger plan to take over their planet. But here on actual Earth, the Na’vi have officially won the war.

As of Wednesday, James Cameron’s sequel has grossed $1.51 billion globally, which bests the $1.49 billion Top Gun: Maverick grossed earlier this year. That means Avatar: The Way of Water is now the highest-grossing film of 2022 globally. Domestically, it’s a different story; Maverick still comfortably sits at the top of the mountain, over $260 million ahead. (Maverick stands at $718 million domestic, Way of Water was at $454 million as of Wednesday). To put that in perspective, that’s one full The Amazing Spider-Man.

But Avatar has never been just a domestic franchise. The original film, which grossed a still hugely impressive $785 million domestically (good for fourth all-time), grossed over three times that internationally for a global cume of almost $3 billion. So that it’s outgrossed Maverick, a film with its roots very much in Americana, internationally isn’t really a surprise. What is a surprise is that it did so quickly. The Way of Water has been in theaters for just about three weeks in total. It’s still got weeks, probably months, of playing in theaters and getting those numbers up. We’re looking at a true box office juggernaut.

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Amazing how successful that franchise is overseas.

 

[dsturgeon]

Amazing how successful that franchise is overseas.

i wonder what the breakdown of "overseas" is

 

[DallasEast]

i wonder what the breakdown of "overseas" is

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr1943818757/

 

[dsturgeon]

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr1943818757/

It looks pretty even on the gross to population ratio. Japan, South Korea, and a few others are off. In Japan it is not very popular, and South Korea it seems extremely popular. I wonder why it is not popular in Japan.

 

[DallasEast]

10 Best Selling Marvel Comics Of All Time, Ranked​

By Jerry Stanford | CBR
January 3, 2023

The sales of comic books are something that has historically been hard to pin down. Multiple distributors from the very first days of the Golden Age never allowed anyone to determine actual sales numbers, even if they wanted to. During those early years, comic book creators had trouble learning how their books were selling.

In the 1990s, the market for comic books boomed, regularly setting records. When determining the highest-selling comic of all time, some numbers will be approximate, determined by published numbers of other comics. Wherever numbers are available, the bestsellers can be called, and Marvel Comics dominates such a list.

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10. Star Wars #1 Is The Best Selling Comic Of The Modern Age (2015) 1,073,000 Copies

9. Spider-Man #1 Started The Boom Of The 1990s (1990) 1,325,000 Copies (Unofficial)

8. X-Force #2 Featured Deadpool's Return (1991) 1.4 Million Copies (Per Rob Liefeld)

7. X-Men #2 Proves The First Issue Sales Weren't A Fluke. (1991)1.5 - 1.8 Million Comics (Estimated)

6. Punisher 2099 #1 Showed The Anticipation For Marvel 2099 (1992) over 1.7 million copies(Unofficial)

5. Spider-Man #26 Featured A Holographic Cover (1992) over 1.7 million copies(Unofficial)

4. Spider-Man 2099 #1 (1992) Over 1.7 million copies(Unofficial)

3. Venom: Lethal Protector #1 (1992) Over 1.7 million copies(Unofficial)

2. X-Force #1 Held The Record For Two Months. (1991) 5,000,000 copies (Unofficial, but accepted)

1. X-Men #1 Is The All-Time Leader (1991) 8,186,500 copies

 

[DallasEast]

 

[DallasEast]

The Avengers 90's Cast Trailer - Fan made - WTM (*video contains language)

 

[Runwildboys]

The Avengers 90's Cast Trailer - Fan made - WTM (*video contains language)

That could've been pretty good, if they'd had the effects, writers, directors, etc. of recent MCU movies. In the comments, someone mentioned that they missed an opportunity by not having Schwarzenegger as Thanos. lol

 

[DallasEast]

10 Best Selling DC Comics Of All Time​

By Cailyn Szelinski | Screen Rant
January 8, 2023

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1. Batman 10 Cent Adventure #1 (2002) - 702,126

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Not sure how this article was researched or whether I have read it wrong but DC Comics has sold more issues of various titles than the ones in this list. The Death of Superman is one example off the top of my head that sold six million copies in the early 1990s.

Anyone can click the Read Me link for the entire list but I am not posting it. The list is flawed in my opinion. Maybe I am missing something?

 

[Roadtrip635]

10 Best Selling DC Comics Of All Time​

By Cailyn Szelinski | Screen Rant
January 8, 2023

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1. Batman 10 Cent Adventure #1 (2002) - 702,126

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____________________________

Not sure how this article was researched or whether I have read it wrong but DC Comics has sold more issues of various titles than the ones in this list. The Death of Superman is one example off the top of my head that sold six million copies in the early 1990s.

Anyone can click the Read Me link for the entire list but I am not posting it. The list is flawed in my opinion. Maybe I am missing something?

That doesn't make any sense, there's not a single comic from before 2002 and most less than 10 years old. "The Death Of Superman" was huge, main stream media and national news even had stories about the comic and event. I didn't even read Superman, but I bought a copy. Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns was big, Crisis on Infinite Earths, so many others from the 80's and 90's would have sold more than the ones on that list.

Instead of "of all time" the writer of the article meant to say "from when I started to read comics"