Commander Fans are riding HIGH !!!

[CowboysFaninBaltimore]

This is just proof the Commanders make panic moves to please their fanbase.

 

[kingwhicker]

Those losers ride high every off season, particularly in ones when they hire a new coach who always turns into an epic fail.

 

[Sonny#9]

This is just proof the Commanders make panic moves to please their fanbase.

Really? Firing Zorn and Cerrato are "panic moves?" Really?!

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

That's why I think we have a shot at Locker...this is not going to be a quick fix...

The scary thing is: The Nationals are closer to contending than the Commanders.

The Commanders will be a .500 team next year, possibly better. Zorn is just in waaaaay over his head and has had to work with a boob for a GM. It is showing this season. Allen is a good GM and will get some average shmoes in FA to help fill in some gaping holes while producing a good draft.

 

[Alexander]

This is just proof the Commanders make panic moves to please their fanbase.

Replacing an overwhelmed Jim Zorn with Mike Shanahan is not a panic move. Nor is turning over a hack like Vinny Cerrato for Bruce Allen.

 

[Sonny#9]

The Commanders will be a .500 team next year, possibly better. Zorn is just in waaaaay over his head and has had to work with a boob for a GM. It is showing this season. Allen is a good GM and will get some average shmoes in FA to help fill in some gaping holes while producing a good draft.

I wish that was true -- although getting rid of Blache will help too -- no more corners 10 yards off the ball on 3rd and 2.

This team is in shambles right now -- the line is terrible. The 2ndary, once thought a strength, is highly overrated. Landry seems to be taking coverage and tackling lessons from Roy Williams. I like our TEs, LBs and D-line. Beyond that...there ain't much.

 

[Phrozen Phil]

I wish that was true -- although getting rid of Blache will help too -- no more corners 10 yards off the ball on 3rd and 2.

This team is in shambles right now -- the line is terrible. The 2ndary, once thought a strength, is highly overrated. Landry seems to be taking coverage and tackling lessons from Roy Williams. I like our TEs, LBs and D-line. Beyond that...there ain't much.

There's talent on that team, but some of it is overpaid talent and depth is almost non existent. Having said that, it's not impossible to turn the Skins around, but it will take more than one season. Chemistry is critical as well. Haynesworth is talented, but is showing himself to be selfish. Cap numbers and injuries may be addditional obstacles in hte immediate future.

 

[The Great Number 8]

Shanahan like any other coach will be a genius if he can find a quarterback. If he can't, he'll fail. The Skins are a long way from finding a QB right now. Maybe Bradford - if he falls that far. St. Louis may decide they want him

 

[AsthmaField]

It's called a prediction -- and everyone does it...not just skins fans...

That's why I specified that they do so as if it is a certainty... not just their opinion.

Still, you are correct that all fan bases have people that do that, but the Commanders have more than their fair share.

 

[AsthmaField]

Really? Firing Zorn and Cerrato are "panic moves?" Really?!

Cerrato resigned. Things got too bad for even him. :laugh2:

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I hear Skins fans say that all the time these days. You can't cut most of the team because you won't be able to replace them all in one year. Shanahan will be forced to keep a lot of your current roster. He will be able to turn over a good bit, but he can't just release everyone over the age of 27.

Not hard to see who you get rid of. Daniels, Wynn, Samuels, Thomas, Cartwright, Betts, Rabach, Smoot, Portis, Collins, Carlos Rogers, Griffin. Thats a dozen right off the top of my head

You go the draft route, along with mid level FAs and UDFAs. See the Commanders turnover on the roster between 1993 and 1994. About half the roster turned over. Its not hard to do

So you know the skins will draft a QB in round 1, huh? :laugh2: The Commanders don't even know that yet, but you are sure?

I am very certain

Thats all you need to know about that.

Nobody can tell even what is going to happen the following year in the NFL, yet you know the Commanders will compete for a playoff spot in 2012?

I love it how Commander fans always speak with certainty when predicting the future. :laugh2:

Thats how message boards usually function. Deal with it

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

There's talent on that team, but some of it is overpaid talent and depth is almost non existent. Having said that, it's not impossible to turn the Skins around, but it will take more than one season. Chemistry is critical as well. Haynesworth is talented, but is showing himself to be selfish. Cap numbers and injuries may be addditional obstacles in hte immediate future.

No CBA, cap numbers won't matter. If the team chooses, which if its smart it will, it can remove all these big cap numbers in one swoop

No CBA is basically a get out of jail free card

 

[Phrozen Phil]

No CBA, cap numbers won't matter. If the team chooses, which if its smart it will, it can remove all these big cap numbers in one swoop

No CBA is basically a get out of jail free card

Good point, but if a CBA is reached, then what? Haynesworth is good, but is he $100,000,000 good? I realize he may not see all that money, but Snyder will need to listen to Allen regarding the kind of spending he's done. I predict that the Skins will improve if they avoid the splashy signings that Snyder loves.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Good point, but if a CBA is reached, then what? Haynesworth is good, but is he $100,000,000 good? I realize he may not see all that money, but Snyder will need to listen to Allen regarding the kind of spending he's done. I predict that the Skins will improve if they avoid the splashy signings that Snyder loves.

This is one of those situations where there will not be a CBA agreement in place in March.

The NFL is going to go uncapped, and we face the very real possibility of a work stoppage in 2011.

Too many owners simply do not like this deal and are willing to go to war over it

As for the Commanders, its going to take 3 full off seasons to get back to a competitive level

 

[Sonny#9]

Not hard to see who you get rid of. Daniels, Wynn, Samuels, Thomas, Cartwright, Betts, Rabach, Smoot, Portis, Collins, Carlos Rogers, Griffin. Thats a dozen right off the top of my head

Add in Randel-El, Mike Williams...

 

[AsthmaField]

Not hard to see who you get rid of. Daniels, Wynn, Samuels, Thomas, Cartwright, Betts, Rabach, Smoot, Portis, Collins, Carlos Rogers, Griffin. Thats a dozen right off the top of my head

A dozen can be done, and I agree with those are some of the guys that need to go... but that isn't even half way to the 30 you said would be cut. Even adding the guys that sunny did in his last post doesn't get you half way there.

My point is: If you cut 30 guys in one offseason, it would be almost impossible to find suitable replacements for all of them (that's without factoring in dead money on any cap we might have). Even if you have multiple picks in the draft (7 rounds), you still only get about 10 players. That is assuming you keep all your draft picks.

So, then that leaves my main question: Where would the other 20 guys come from? Free agency? Undrafted rookies? Thirty is an awful lot to replace in one season.

I agree that is what needs to be done... but I just don't see how you would replace all 30 with NFL caliber players. It just isn't feasible IMO.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

A dozen can be done, and I agree with those are some of the guys that need to go... but that isn't even half way to the 30 you said would be cut. Even adding the guys that sunny did in his last post doesn't get you half way there.

My point is: If you cut 30 guys in one offseason, it would be almost impossible to find suitable replacements for all of them (that's without factoring in dead money on any cap we might have). Even if you have multiple picks in the draft (7 rounds), you still only get about 10 players. That is assuming you keep all your draft picks.

So, then that leaves my main question: Where would the other 20 guys come from? Free agency? Undrafted rookies? Thirty is an awful lot to replace in one season.

I agree that is what needs to be done... but I just don't see how you would replace all 30 with NFL caliber players. It just isn't feasible IMO.

I don't think we are going to have an NFL caliber roster next year in general.

A bunch of "depth" "fill in" type guys while the thing is re-tooled

30 is probably a bit much, you are correct in that and I can't find 30 guys to c ut when I go down the roster unless trades are involved

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't think we are going to have an NFL caliber roster next year in general.

A bunch of "depth" "fill in" type guys while the thing is re-tooled

30 is probably a bit much, you are correct in that and I can't find 30 guys to c ut when I go down the roster unless trades are involved

Well, the general premise that there is a lot of dead weight to cut off of that roster is sound logic. Most of those guys deserve to be on the streets. You do have some good players that you can start to rebuild with (Orakpo, Haynesworth, Davis, etc.), so I agree that a near total breakdown and subsequent rebuilding is the way to go.

 

[Cowboys22]

As soon as Shanny or any coach gets that team headed in the right direction, Snyder will step back in and take control so that he can claim the credit. He will not stay on the sidelines for long.

When they get a QB as good as Elway, then I'll be worried about Shanahan as their coach. They need so many pieces that it will be 2-3 years before anyone should worry about them and thats if all the moves they make pan out.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well, the general premise that there is a lot of dead weight to cut off of that roster is sound logic. Most of those guys deserve to be on the streets. You do have some good players that you can start to rebuild with (Orakpo, Haynesworth, Davis, etc.), so I agree that a near total breakdown and subsequent rebuilding is the way to go.

Players that you can "build around"

On O

D. Thomas
F. Davis
M. Kelly
C. Cooley

C. Rino is on the bubble, jury still out on him

Probably keep Ganther or Aldrige at RB

D. Dockery stays because you can't have 5 new o-lineman starting from one year to the next

Basically though the entire o-line and RB corps needs to be re-built. Along with a QB

On D

Haynesworth and Orakpo on the d-line

Fletcher stays for another year

McIntosh is solid

As much as I dislike D-Hall, he will be around for a while

Horton, Doughty and Moore stay. A decision will need to be made on Landry

You have a few more tools to work with on D then on O