Commanders agree to terms on deal for Taylor

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David Elfin
Washington Times
July 21, 2008


The Monday Morning Quarterback started his first day back in 2008 writing about the pleasures of opening training camp on a Sunday morning, such as no traffic on the Beltway or the Dulles Toll Road.

That got scratched when Phillip Daniels, a starting defensive end and one of the true good guys on the team, went down with a serious knee injury during the morning practice.

The column was filed, and then came the really big news: the trade for six-time Pro Bowl end Jason Taylor.

Getty Images Jason Taylor is just a year removed from winning the NFL's defensive player of the year award.

Get me rewrite. Again.

Q: So much for the new conservative Dan Snyder, huh?

A: No doubt. After an offseason of inside page moves - the since-released Jerome Mathis, Erasmus James, Stuart Schweigert - Snyder and his right-hand man, Vinny Cerrato, barely waited for the brace to be placed on Daniels' injured knee before they made the big splash and traded for the NFL's active sacks leader.

Q: How good is Taylor? He's about to be 34, which is pretty ancient for a pass rusher.

A: He's a year and half younger than Daniels, and his 11 sacks last year were more than any Commanders player has had in six years. Taylor is still the best Commanders lineman since Charles Mann was in his prime nearly two decades ago.

Q: Did the Commanders mortgage the future to make this move?

A: Not unless you consider a second-round draft choice in 2009 and a sixth-rounder in 2010 plus a lot of salary cap room consumed this year and next mortgaging the future. If Taylor makes a smooth switch from the right side to the left, it seems like a no-brainer.

Q: Back to the day in general, what happened besides the injuries?

A: Since the players wore light pads and shorts, it wasn't a day for the linemen to shine. So the skill position players really got to show their stuff. Quarterback Jason Campbell's arm looked strong. His receivers generally beat the cornerbacks in one-on-one matchups. Fourth-round pick J.T. Tryon was a rare exception to that rule, and the cocky rookie whooped it up appropriately after a couple of nice plays.

Q: How did Shawn Springs look after blowing off most of the offseason again?

A: Springs was beaten by Antwaan Randle El for a long touchdown, but he seems to be in excellent shape thanks to a strenuous regimen with a personal trainer.

Q: How is a Jim Zorn training camp different than a Joe Gibbs camp?

A: The practices are shorter, but their tempo is faster. To put it musically, a Gibbs camp was WMZQ. Zorn's is DC-101.

Q: How did the rookie receivers look on their first day?

A: Devin Thomas used his strength to push off and gain leverage on defensive backs. Malcolm Kelly beat veteran Fred Smoot on a diving catch. Fred Davis didn't oversleep.

Q: Did Clinton Portis dress up as one of his characters for the start of camp?

A: No. Portis has rarely come in costume since the 2005 season, but he did wear sweat-inducing black tights when everyone else was in shorts.

Q: How about Chris Cooley? Any special outfit?

A: Nope, but the Pro Bowl tight end, who is growing a beard, was the first player in the ice tub after the morning practice.

Q: You just mentioned Randle El, the rookie receivers, Portis and Cooley. Throw in Santana Moss and how does Zorn keep them all happy?

A: That's the kind of problem coaches love to have. Asked about Portis taking advantage of the talent around him, Zorn said, "Putting three wide receivers on the field - we've got a slew - and then Chris Cooley on the field with Clinton Portis, how are you going to defend us?"

Q: So Sunday was just Day 1 of the long march to the Super Bowl in Tampa, right?

A: Not hardly. The Commanders have a coach who has never been a coordinator, let alone the big boss. Their quarterback remains unproven. Their front seven on defense was thin before the trade for Taylor. And although they made the playoffs last season, the Commanders were 10-18 from Sept. 11, 2006, through Dec. 5, 2007. They're in the rigorous NFC East and play all three of their division road games before Columbus Day; they could be out of the race before baseball's league championship series begin. A .500 season would have been a decent start to the Zorn era, but Taylor, the 2006 defensive player of the year, could make them contenders.
 

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Boysboy;2151215 said:
Just for the sake of argument-if the Skins signed Zack Thomas this offseason, we all at CZ would be making joke after joke how MB3 would bulldoze him and give him another migrane.

Remember how all offseaon how WE did cartwheels over getting Zack.

Either way-Jason is a good move on the Skins' part, and Zack likewise to us. They made be getting older, but they're still heck of players and provide tons of leadership.

I think Thomas is a good move because of (1) the Pro Bowl ability he brings, (2) his relatively inexpensive/short-term contract and (3) because we didn't have to trade for him. Those things negate age and health concerns, making him a low-risk acquisition.

I think Taylor is a good move for the Commanders only because of the Pro Bowl ability he brings to the team, which is a big plus. The price both contractwise and draftwise does not negate age and retirement concerns, though.

Taylor will definitely be an upgrade for the Commanders as a pass rusher, but the only way the move really is worth the costs for Washington is if the Commanders prove to be true contendors to reach the Super Bowl before he calls it quit. Otherwise they just paid a high price to rent a great talent for the short term.

Of course, I'm sure Snyder feels his team is ready to compete for a Super Bowl.
 

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Boysboy;2151215 said:
Just for the sake of argument-if the Skins signed Zack Thomas this offseason, we all at CZ would be making joke after joke how MB3 would bulldoze him and give him another migrane.

Remember how all offseaon how WE did cartwheels over getting Zack.

Either way-Jason is a good move on the Skins' part, and Zack likewise to us. They made be getting older, but they're still heck of players and provide tons of leadership.


Thomas cost us zero draft picks and not much salary cap wise. Taylor cost your Commanders a 2nd round pick (that probably will be quite high) and a 6th the next season. Plus, Taylor is going to take a decent chunk out of their salary cap room.

Those are huge differences when talking about Dallas' acquisition of Thomas and Washington's acquisition of Taylor. Huge.

Plus, Zach has always gotten by with his study habits, intelligence and instincts. Taylor has some of that too, but not nearly as much as Zach. Taylor has always used his exceptional athleticism to make plays. And, as you know, when a player ages, it effects his athleticism... not his preparation or instincts. No, those things usually increas with age and wisdom.

Also, Zach will be protected, for the most part, by the big guys up front. In Phillips scheme, the "Mo" backer is the guy who is freed up to run to the ball. That's what Zach will be doing and he excels at that. Taylor IS one if the big guys up front in Washington's 4-3. He will be taking on bigger OT's because for the first time he'll be going to the strongside where he will also have to contend with the TE.

Being on the strongside, Jason is going to see a lot more runs at him than he used to. His days will seem longer and more physical. Thomas will be more protected than he was in Saban's (Dom Capers') 3-4 and just as much as he was in Jimmy Johnson's 4-3.

Put all of that together and only a Commander homer would even make that comparison.
 

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AsthmaField;2152631 said:
Thomas cost us zero draft picks and not much salary cap wise. Taylor cost your Commanders a 2nd round pick (that probably will be quite high) and a 6th the next season. Plus, Taylor is going to take a decent chunk out of their salary cap room.

Those are huge differences when talking about Dallas' acquisition of Thomas and Washington's acquisition of Taylor. Huge.

Plus, Zach has always gotten by with his study habits, intelligence and instincts. Taylor has some of that too, but not nearly as much as Zach. Plus, Taylor has always used his exceptional athleticism to make plays. And, as you know, when a player ages, it effects his athleticism... not his preperation or instincts. No, those things usually increas with age and wisdom.

Also, Zach will be protected, for the most part, by the big guys up front. In Phillips scheme, the "Mo" backer is the guy who is freed up to run to the ball. That's what Zach will be doing and he excels at that. Taylor IS one if the big guys up front in Washington's 4-3. He will be taking on bigger OT's because for the first time he'll be going to the strongside where he will also have to contend with the TE.

Being on the strongside, Jason is going to see a lot more runs at him than he used to. His days will seem longer and more physical. Thomas will be more protected than he was in Saban's (Dom Capers') 3-4 and just as much as he was in Jimmy Johnson's 4-3.

Put all of that together and only a Commander homer would even make that comparison.

:hammer:
 

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Mansta54;2152632 said:


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Sonny#9;2151827 said:
I agree -- I could see him becoming like a Jeff Garcia, or possibly Hassleback. Don't forget Hasselback was awful his 1st couple of years in Seattle -- he couldn't be out Trent Dilfer!

Jason Campbell could turn into a career journeyman too

that's what his stats indicate

I noticed you were comparing trading for Jason Taylor to giving expensive contracts to Flozell and TO, the difference is that we're primed for making a run, you guys aren't, and I'm not even sure JT is one of the top 5 at his position anymore, unlikle Flozell and TO who are.
 

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I dunno if it's been posted here, but PFT says the Commanders then $1 million left of Salary Cap space, that should put an end to the Favre rumors.
 

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great trade for the skins if, you are one good defensive end from going to the next level. they arent going to the next level even with Taylor.
 

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I just had to chime in and say this was a very good move for the Commanders. Ok. Carry on with whatever you're debating. ;)
 

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Bob Sacamano;2152662 said:
Jason Campbell could turn into a career journeyman too

that's what his stats indicate

Well, it's funny you should say that, b/c at the same age, Campbell has better numbers then Hasslebeck. He didn't exactly turn out to be a journeyman.

Hasslebeck: 13 games/12 starts 176/321 54.8% 2023 yards, 7 TD 8 INT
Campbell: 13 game/13 starts 250/417 60.0% 12 TD, 11 INT

Bob Sacamano;2152662 said:
I noticed you were comparing trading for Jason Taylor to giving expensive contracts to Flozell and TO, the difference is that we're primed for making a run, you guys aren't, and I'm not even sure JT is one of the top 5 at his position anymore, unlikle Flozell and TO who are.

I think TO is an accurate comparison. Both are about the same age, both are incredible shape, both are still highly productive (Taylor had 11 sacks on a horrible Dolphins team where no one else had more then Joey Porter's 5.5). TO just signed a 4-year deal?

While I agree with you that the Skins are not a "favorite" for a championship run, they should still be competitive. I don't see how this move was bad for the Skins.

So, what would you have done? D-Line was our thinnest position, and the Skins sustained two season-ending injuries on the same day. Should they have stuck with Carter, Evans, Wilson, Jackson (a 7th round pick), and possibly Erasmus James? And please spare me the the draft talk -- if the Skins had drafted Calais Campbell, you'd be saying how overrated he is, and they didn't take him. He's not here. So what would you have done in that situation?

And not to mention, if TO went down, and the Cowboys sent a 2nd and a 6th rnd pick to Cincinatti for Chad Johnson, you'd be singing the praises of Jerry Jones.
 

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Sonny#9;2153045 said:
Well, it's funny you should say that, b/c at the same age, Campbell has better numbers then Hasslebeck. He didn't exactly turn out to be a journeyman.

Hasslebeck: 13 games/12 starts 176/321 54.8% 2023 yards, 7 TD 8 INT
Campbell: 13 game/13 starts 250/417 60.0% 12 TD, 11 INT



I think TO is an accurate comparison. Both are about the same age, both are incredible shape, both are still highly productive (Taylor had 11 sacks on a horrible Dolphins team where no one else had more then Joey Porter's 5.5). TO just signed a 4-year deal?

While I agree with you that the Skins are not a "favorite" for a championship run, they should still be competitive. I don't see how this move was bad for the Skins.

So, what would you have done? D-Line was our thinnest position, and the Skins sustained two season-ending injuries on the same day. Should they have stuck with Carter, Evans, Wilson, Jackson (a 7th round pick), and possibly Erasmus James? And please spare me the the draft talk -- if the Skins had drafted Calais Campbell, you'd be saying how overrated he is, and they didn't take him. He's not here. So what would you have done in that situation?

And not to mention, if TO went down, and the Cowboys sent a 2nd and a 6th rnd pick to Cincinatti for Chad Johnson, you'd be singing the praises of Jerry Jones.


Are you really Ms. Cleo in disguise? You seem to know what folks are thinking before they are thinking it!! That's pretty dang impressive.

:lmao2::lmao:
 

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I don't understand where this debate is on whether it was a good idea to bring in Taylor. Are you people telling me that you honestly think, from a football standpoint now and not a Cowboy fandom one, that it would have been better to go into the season with DE #4 and DE #6 as your rotation on that one side of the line?

Jason Taylor can still flat out play ball. He proved it last year by being VERY productive on a completely crappy team. This was a move the Commanders HAD TO MAKE. There is no way a person can look at this objectively and say "Geez they're stupid. How dare they not just go with Joe Blow's #2 and #6 off the street instead of Taylor."

The move is a good one for the Skins and it makes their defense better than it would have been with Daniels. I'm not saying it makes them a contender, or puts them in the hunt, and I don't think any realistically thinking Skins fans are either. But to deny that this move does make them better on the D-Line than they were a week ago is beyond silly.
 

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Considering that their best lineman went down and Taylor can still play, it was a good move by the Washington Racial Slurs. Rare kudos to Snyder.
 

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bbgun;2151918 said:
A: That's the kind of problem coaches love to have. Asked about Portis taking advantage of the talent around him, Zorn said, "Putting three wide receivers on the field - we've got a slew - and then Chris Cooley on the field with Clinton Portis, how are you going to defend us?"

Thats a real question huh? Does Zorn actually think it's going to be that easy? Just line up with 3 WR and a TE and viola unstoppable offense? Holy crap this season is going to be fun
 

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dargonking999;2153161 said:
Thats a real question huh? Does Zorn actually think it's going to be that easy? Just line up with 3 WR and a TE and viola unstoppable offense? Holy crap this season is going to be fun

:muttley:

He didn't mention the QB did he?
 

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dargonking999;2153161 said:
Thats a real question huh? Does Zorn actually think it's going to be that easy? Just line up with 3 WR and a TE and viola unstoppable offense? Holy crap this season is going to be fun

I bet he does. I bet he thinks it's going to be a total cake walk. :rolleyes:
 
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