Commanders agree to terms on deal for Taylor

[zrinkill]

Like I said ..... I am just glad that the Commanders sacrificed their future youth and salary cap for a 34 year old uninterested Football player.

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders ...... here we go again

 

[CATCH17]

Interesting these two statements are in the same post...considering where the Giants were picked to finish last year

Good luck.

Enjoy all the "Todd Collins should start" debates you will be having this year.

 

[Sonny#9]

As opposed by the denizens of Commanders fans over at Commanders boards (and Cowboys boards) who write about how the Cowboys have no talent and everybody on the team is overrated, despite not having a losing season in the past 3 years and with a 13-3 record in 2007.

Anyone who says that needs to have their head examined. Anyone who says either of these teams "have no talent" just needs to be ignored b/c they don't know a thing about football.

If they can get two quality years from Taylor, then it was worth the risk. But if they don't or he only plays for one year, it's a bit of a mistake given the cost of his salary and giving up a 2nd rounder for a very old roster. I'm not so sure the Commanders are close to being a Super Bowl contender as they went 5-7 before the win streak to get them into the playoffs, with Campbell going down and having to start an aging QB in his place.

Agreed (which is shocking considering our past go-rounds...) I don't know if I would label them as a Super Bowl contender, but they are definitely a good team. The big wild card is what Zorn brings to the table. If he is Rich Kotite, obviously it's going to be a disaster. But if he's Andy Reid then...well, let's just say while I like the moves this off-season, I am going to reserve the excitement until I see the product on the field. I have been let down entirely too many times...

He'll also be switching positions, which doesn't guarantee gloom and doom, but is definitely less than ideal.

Didn't Miami move him all over hell and half of Georgia last year? I think he's talented enough to have it not really effect him. But I do like having Carter and Taylor on opposite ends...

 

[Sonny#9]

Good luck.

Enjoy all the "Todd Collins should start" debates you will be having this year.

I don't think he should start. In fact I wasn't overly excited when he re-signed. He is nothing more than being a product of Al Saunders system and facing very weak pass defenses. He was TERRIBLE against the Seahawks in the playoffs.

 

[Sonny#9]

No, I actually meant Fred Davis. Don't know where in the blue blazes I came up with Jones.

TJ Whosyourmomma...Championship!

 

[WoodysGirl]

I hate when news about another team's acquisition has over 4,000 posts on a Cowboys board. Oops... I just added to it...

I think you mean 4000 page views. But that's ok.

I think threads like these are ok when it's talking football and not smack. The Taylor trade makes for good football discussion no matter which team he'd gone to.

 

[dargonking999]

I don't think he should start. In fact I wasn't overly excited when he re-signed. He is nothing more than being a product of Al Saunders system and facing very weak pass defenses. He was TERRIBLE against the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Because he's a Terrible QB, and your starting QB isn't that much easier.

But relish in the fact that you just rented a DE for one year, for a 2nd round and 6 round pick. It's going to be the only bright spot of your season

 

[dargonking999]

I think you mean 4000 page views. But that's ok.

I think threads like these are ok when it's talking football and not smack. The Taylor trade makes for good football discussion no matter which team he'd gone to.

I don't think there's ever been a thread here thats made of 4000 posts has there?

 

[cobra]

Oh yeah and it gives the know-nothings a chance to compare Campbell to Quincy Carter...again.

Tell you what: I'll stop making the comparison between Quincy and QCampbell when you can explain to me why it is not an excellent comparison based on something other than "its stupid/wrong/blahblah" ipse dixit.

I set out a brief showing of the case here.

'll stand 100% behind the "Jason Campbell is Quincy Carter (without the drugs)" position.

They are identical.

Both are athletic and can move out of the pocket and pick up yards with their legs, though neither is a "running QB". Both try to be pocket passers.

Both stand tall in the pocket in a way that garners the meaningless "poise" appellation... (a brain-dead moron could stand strong on the railroad tracks until run over by a train, but that doesn't mean he had "poise" in a game of chicken).

Both have extremely strong arms that can chunk and rocket the ball.

Both have accuracy somewhere between a high school senior QB and a freshman UT quarterback, which is to say, god awful none.

Both have to have their playbooks and ability to call audibles limited.

Both can make some plays that make your jaw drop and say "Wow, did you see that throw?". And both then follow it up by overthrowing a wide open WR in the flats by 5 yards.

Both have terrible short yard touch and accuracy, as they can't seem to take the right amount of the ball.

Both are practically inaudbile in interviews and their own teams in the huddle. Both have had teammates say they have a hard time understanding them when they speak in the huddle.

Both of them can claim to have had great years in SEC football.

Both of them were stupidly traded up for and drafted too high.

Both of them are always raved about in practice and the off-season and claimed to spend a lot of hours watching tape---only to show and look like dog crap when the cameras are rolling on game time.

Heck, both of them even wear #17.

The only thing that distinguishes them is that QC had a drug problem, and we don't know that JC does.

But as far as on the field play, they are identical.

There is not a better set of comparable QBs then QC and JC.

There it is. The comparison seems apt. Feel free to refute it. But just calling it stupid looks like you don't have anything to back up your claim.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't think there's ever been a thread here thats made of 4000 posts has there?

I'm sure there are or close to it.

Off the top of my head, I'd guess that game threads and any QB threads pre-Romo are pretty good candidates.

 

[Sonny#9]

Tell you what: I'll stop making the comparison between Quincy and QCampbell when you can explain to me why it is not an excellent comparison based on something other than "its stupid/wrong/blahblah" ipse dixit.

I set out a brief showing of the case here.



There it is. The comparison seems apt. Feel free to refute it. But just calling it stupid looks like you don't have anything to back up your claim.

B/c other then the breadth and depth of your football knowledge consists of statements like this and "We have 5 Superbowls!" and therefore very limited, I will make this brief. Not like it's going to make any difference. You'd actually need to think for that to happen. And well, that's not your strong suit.

in 20 games: Campbell: 57.7% (Including 60% last year) 3997 yards, 22 TD, 17 INT. Never has Campbell thrown more picks then TDs. And has already shown he has better accuracy then Carter.

Carter: His "best" year: was 57.7% 17 TD, 21 INT. The only time he cracked 60% or threw more TDs then INTs was in 7 games (only three starts) for the Jets, his last year in the league. He was out of the league in 4 years. Never to be given a chance after that.

So, if it makes you feel better, keep up with your astute "observations."

 

[Skinsmaniac]

There it is. The comparison seems apt. Feel free to refute it. But just calling it stupid looks like you don't have anything to back up your claim.

Jason Campbell: 22 tds 17 ints.
Quincy Carter: 32 tds 37 ints.

Quincy Carter also took a lot more sacks. I'm not saying that Campbell is a world-beater, but he has enough talent and drive that we should be patient with him.

 

[AtlCB]

B/c other then the breadth and depth of your football knowledge consists of statements like this and "We have 5 Superbowls!" and therefore very limited, I will make this brief. Not like it's going to make any difference. You'd actually need to think for that to happen. And well, that's not your strong suit.

in 20 games: Campbell: 57.7% (Including 60% last year) 3997 yards, 22 TD, 17 INT. Never has Campbell thrown more picks then TDs. And has already shown he has better accuracy then Carter.

Carter: His "best" year: was 57.7% 17 TD, 21 INT. The only time he cracked 60% or threw more TDs then INTs was in 7 games (only three starts) for the Jets, his last year in the league. He was out of the league in 4 years. Never to be given a chance after that.

So, if it makes you feel better, keep up with your astute "observations."

Campbell's high completion percentage and low interceptions have to do with the fact that he mostly throws short passes. He also fumbled the ball 8 times in 13 games last season.

 

[1fisher]

I wouldn't say we have a long ways to go. You never know what Zorn will bring (or take away) from the table, but we were a playoff team last year, returning all of our starters (minus Sean Taylor). The Giants showed last year how an above average team can get on a roll - it's not like the Giants were much better than the Skins last year.

Is Collins your starting QB this season?
Who's calling your offense ( a NEW offense at that)?
Who's your "D" coordinator?

Success last season doesn't necessarily mean success this upcoming season....... still a lot of questions to be answered.

The skins needed a DE and they filled a need. Good move IMO.

Doesn't mean they will be the #1 "D" in the league, however.

 

[Sonny#9]

Is Collins your starting QB this season?
Who's calling your offense ( a NEW offense at that)?
Who's your "D" coordinator?

Zorn is calling the offense -- a big wild card in the whole pre-season "predictions" thing. Which really is a total crap shoot to begin with.

Success last season doesn't necessarily mean success this upcoming season....... still a lot of questions to be answered.

No it doesn't -- you're absolutely right. And there are questions to be answered, of course.

The skins needed a DE and they filled a need. Good move IMO.

Doesn't mean they will be the #1 "D" in the league, however.

No they won't, but their pass defense will be greatly improved. And I think Landry is going to have a big, big year.

 

[1fisher]

Zorn is calling the offense -- a big wild card in the whole pre-season "predictions" thing. Which really is a total crap shoot to begin with.



No it doesn't -- you're absolutely right. And there are questions to be answered, of course.



No they won't, but their pass defense will be greatly improved. And I think Landry is going to have a big, big year.

Who's the "D" coordinator? What chages if any will he make?

 

[dargonking999]

No they won't, but their pass defense will be greatly improved. And I think Landry is going to have a big, big year.

How would it be improved? you have a CB returning from a ACL injury, you still have a void at S from Taylor. You have thin depth on your DL, and not to mention age.

Then you have a new coach stepping in as D-coord.

There is nothing there that screams improvement.

 

[1fisher]

How would it be improved? you have a CB returning from a ACL injury, you still have a void at S from Taylor. You have thin depth on your DL, and not to mention age.

Then you have a new coach stepping in as D-coord.

There is nothing there that screams improvement.

Who's the D-coordinator? Does he have a name?:laugh2:

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

isn't jason taylor like 87 years old?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jason Campbell: 22 tds 17 ints.
Quincy Carter: 32 tds 37 ints.

Quincy Carter also took a lot more sacks. I'm not saying that Campbell is a world-beater, but he has enough talent and drive that we should be patient with him.

I think Campbell is a game manager at best. Teams can win with game managers (Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer, etc). You just can't really ask them to put the team on their shoulders and win games for you.

A game manager is a good QB, just not a great one. You don't toss away a good QB, but you always have your eyes looking for a great one.