Califan007
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I didn't literally mean that all our DLine starters were of backup quality...but that Daniels and Griffin should be replaced. Carter and Montgomery I have no problem with. The other 20 DLinemen we have are all of backup quality. We need to draft a starter or two to replace Daniels and Griffin, who are borderline starters right now in my eyes.AsthmaField;2066285 said:
It was only injuries that effected his stats in 2005. When he was in healthy, he was still pretty devastating. Watch the playoff game against the Bucs for a reminder of how effective Griffin was in 2005.
It was in response to you saying he was ineffective and on the decline FIVE years ago. I pointed out that if it were true, he wouldn't have been such a monster FOUR years ago. I guess I should have done the math for you as well, so that yo'd catch on quicker.Oh, I see. He was pretty good in 2004.
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Ah, so then late round draft picks and UDFAs CAN be effective and make the team. You DON'T have to grab one on day 1. Gotcha.
Maybe you missed where I said Daniels' age was too much of a risk in my eyes?...You keep repeating my points as if they're your own lol...
1) Our defensive line did not play poorly at all...they were average to above average. We were #4 against the run in 2007 (excellent) and 16th in sacks (average).
2) Our new DC was the DC for the Bears, and while there:
"During his tenure, Blache's defenses forced 138 turnovers, including 37 in 2001, the most by a Bears defense since 1990, and accounted for 13 touchdowns (two in 1999, four in 2000, five in 2001, one in 2002, and one in 2003).
In 2002, Blache dealt with numerous injuries, leading to 11 different starting line-ups over the course of 16 games. While juggling personnel, the Bears defense continued with their attacking, aggressive style that set records during the 2001 season.
They forced 64 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and reached a league plateau by forcing at least one turnover in 33 consecutive games, the second longest active streak in the NFL at the time.
In 2001, Blache molded the Bears defense into one of the top units in the league, producing the top-ranked scoring defense by allowing only 203 points in 16 games (12.7 points per game). His run defense finished second in the NFL and first in the NFC, allowing just 82.1 yards per game, while allowing only three rushes of 20 yards or more all seasons and only six rushing touchdowns."
So, um, I'm confident in Williams' replacement.
3) Blache was consulted on picks and asked if he wanted to go with a D-Lineman at different times throughout the draft. Vinny's on record as saying Blache told him to go ahead and draft the higher rated player. So Snyder had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Ah, so your opinion is not based on Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Reed Doughty, Stephon Heyer, Rock Cartwright, Antonio Pierce, etc....it's based soley on your view of Snyder. Ok.
Hmm..and yet we've beat you 4 out of the last 6 times. I'm glad you're not concerned. Really.
That's right...the "right side of our line", NOT the "right tackle only". Pair Heyer up with Randy Thomas instead of Fabini (You've heard of Fabini, right?), and see how more effective the "right side of the line" performs. Any UDFA who can come in his rookie season and get praise from the likes of Jason Taylor and Michael Strahan qualifies as "promising".
That's right...I didn't actually watch any of the games, listen to any of the commentary during the games, read any analysis and break downs after the games...I merely looked at the roster at the end of the season and have determined that if they played, they were good. You figured it out.
Jansen starts because of his experience...but even last season many Skins fans were saying Heyer out-performed Jansen (precisely because Jansen's play had been slipping in the preseason).
Yeah, so it's not just me, and it's not just Skins fans, and it's not just because we drafted him, and it's not just because we're desperate. I know that went over your head, but I'm hoping others here got it.
Ah, the ol' "Oh, you're right, he's a sure fire HOF'er!" argument...I love seeing that trotted out when someone really has nothing of value to respond with.Uh-uh! Really? I haven't seen that before... except for the about 100 threads I've seen on here about every possible undrafted rookie. Except for the hundred's of threads I've seen on Extremeskins, CPND, Bigblue, etc. talking about nearly every player who wasn't drafted.
Fans wouldn't want their team to pick-up any player that isn't going to make the 53 man roster, would they?
Well... if the fans wanted the Commanders to pick Brown up... then I admit, he'll make your team and be a big help this year. Lucky Commanders!
So you're saying your opinion, backed by, oh, nothing, should mean more than theirs should? Which is more pathetic, using someone who actually has access to the players, their combines, breaks down film footage to back up their viewpoints, and interviews the players afterwards....or an anonymous Cowboys fan who backs up nothing and who's sole qualification for voicing his viewpoints is that he hates Daniel Snyder?Ohz Nohzz! Da Raider Fanz on Da U-Tubezz liked him!!!
How can I refute such proof? You have totally taken me to school on this one. You must be correct. There is no doubt that Brown is a pro bowler.
How could all of the other 31 teams have been so wrong? How could Snyder have been so brilliant?
You Tube scouting? That's what you turned to?
Couldn't you at least find somebody other than just fans to say they liked him? Maybe the Gameday College crew or something?
That's gotta be embarassing.
Hmm...which to choose. It's such a toss up, really.
I never posted odds...I merely said it was possible and that I'm optimistic. You, on the otherhand, have already reached your conclusions and think it's stupid for anyone to be optimistic about a low round or UDFA. Once again, I know that little aspect is hard for you to grasp, but I thought I'd repeat it again anyway.
LoL..what I meant was, WHY don't you think he's a good prospect? What's the logic behind you being down on him? (serious question)
We've been "counting on later round picks and UDFA's" for the past 3-4 years, and have beaten the Cowboys 4 out of 6 times. Not exactly sure what you think that says about your team, but I know what it says about mine.
