Commanders | Portis' mom fights back

[Phoenix-Talon]

maybe not - but i'll bet next time that eagles fan wants to get all "cute" and think they can get away with it, they may think twice.

Let me make this clear and not appear defensive ...you're wrong! Anyone who has a criminal mentality is not going to "do the math/research" or "learn from others' mistakes." Add a little spirit water (beer or other intoxicants) into the mix with some excitement during the game, and you've got unacceptable behavior that could potential occurr.

Now, it's no excuse, but this recent situation is not a deterent -- in fact it's a guide for what "not to do!"

if she had a valid complaint there was a courthouse on the premises where she could have pressed her charges.

She lost her valid complaint when she took matters into her own hands.

 

[iceberg]

Let me make this clear and not appear defensive ...you're wrong! Anyone who has a criminal mentality is not going to "do the math/research" or "learn from others' mistakes." Add a little spirit water (beer or other intoxicants) into the mix with some excitement during the game, and you've got unacceptable behavior that could potential occurr.

Now, it's no excuse, but this recent situation is not a deterent -- in fact it's a guide for what "not to do!"



She lost her valid complaint when she took matters into her own hands.

i meant the "punchee" - if she feels it was wrong to get hit for her being stupid enough to get hit, she can take it to the courthouse that's at the stadium. you know, ALL STADIUMS IN THE NFL have to have a courthouse for a "few" unruly fans that occasionally get out of line.

maybe i'm wrong, but i'm realistic. if she went to "the courthouse" and complained they'd dismiss it and the beer lobber would feel all superior for getting away with it.

won't happen now.

btw - does any other franchise have their own courthouse? before you start saying it's just a few fans, better back up and see there are a few that are exceptions to the "philly fan rule". of which you appear to be one, and i've met one other.

so 2. not bad.

 

[FoldedSpace]

I think there must be more to this story than is being reported. But it's an inappropriate and disproportional reaction to what happened. But I suppose she can afford the lawyer fees and/or hospital bills that will be due.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yeah...like that woman was going to get in trouble for pouring beer on her in the first place.


And nop, 2 wrongs dont make a right, but it sure does make it even...

- Mike G.

where is that hammer smiley when u need it???

ahhh there it is...

 

[cwbyfan72]

Lets ask this question: When does the minority become the majority? You claim that these are isolated incidents, but yet there is a courtroom on premises. That would lead one to believe that to actually warrant having a courtroom at the stadium, then these "isolated" incidents happen more often than not.

Defend if you must, but its obvious Eagles fans have taken the cake when it comes to being bad apples.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Listen, this was a lose - lose situation when the victim took matters into her own hands. Believe it or not, people have been shot because they accidentally
stepped on someone else's shoes.

This scenario could have become very serious under other circumstances. Both parties were wrong.

Does anyone know if anyone else was splashed by beer. It seems suspicious that no one else was effected by the beer in the now infamous toss.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Bro, you have to make sure the last quote tag has a "/" in it.....

- Mike G.

 

[TheSkaven]

Alas, unfortunately it is a common episode at Eagles' games. It doesn't matter if it is a woman or a 7 year old child, if you show up in another team's jersey, you might as well paint a large target on yourself.

 

[Hostile]

I'm sure many fans here believe that all Eagle fans laughed at Irvin being hurt, at Santa Claus, and encourage violent behavior toward visiting opponent fans in Philadelphia.

But you couldn't be more incorrect! I believe that type of behavior is totally wrong and should not go unpunished. Do we blame Eagle fans, or just the ones that participate in that Type of behavior!? Each individual is responsible for their own actions -- regardless of their fan affiliation. Did the beer have anything to do with either party's involvement?

I'm uncertain what the participant rate was during the game, but if that was the only incident that occurred ...it sounds like a relatively mild incident rate. I wonder how many incidents happen during games (other than games in Philly) at other stadiums, that we never hear about.

It's so unfortunate that this type of incident occurred. :

I hate to tell you this PT but labeling is a reality.

Please don't try to tell me I can't go to an Eagles website and find your fans who will accuse me of being a toothless, backy chewing, inbred redneck with a 6th grade education.

Philadelphia fans have a horrible reputation and I'm sorry but it is earned. The same way Raiders fans have earned theirs. Does it mean it encompasses everybody? No, and no one here is saying it does. But to think your fan base has not earned their reputation is naive at best.

Complaining about it won't change the perception. If you want that to change you need to convince more of your fans to act like you do when you come here. They don't PT. I've banned more Eagles trolls than the rest of the team fan bases put together.

I'm sorry, but you are the exception more than the rule in my view. Take that as a compliment because it is.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Good Riddance

By Thom Loverro THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 12, 2002

They call it the Nest of Death
It is Section 700 at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia, a haven for rabid Eagles fans. It is a place with a Dawg Pound-caliber reputation for toughness that can match any other in the NFL.

One could argue that the Vet is one huge nest of death, a place where civilization has died and been replaced by green-and-silver-shaded anarchy.

"We like to put the fear of God in most teams and the fans that come into the stadium," said Bill Deery, a season ticket holder who sits in Section 700. Deery also likes to spread that fear via the Internet. He operates a Web site called nestofdeath.com that is devoted to all things Eagles: news, forums, stats, cheerleaders, face painters, celebrities, records and "old school" players — plus the sale of Nest of Death T-shirts, sweatshirts, tank tops and hats.

The Eagles are on the verge of leaving the nest, though. The stadium, loved by fans and cursed by opponents, is in its final days. The Eagles' game Sunday against the Washington Commanders is the final regular-season contest at the Vet. A more modern facility, Lincoln Financial Field, is scheduled to open next year.

Opposing players will shed few tears for the passing of the Vet, the place where Philadelphia fans earned their reputation as some of the toughest in sports.
Consider:

•In 1999, fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.
•That same year, fans threw D batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew, who held out for a year after the Phillies drafted him and eventually signed with the Cards instead.
•Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team's home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.
•Eagles fans famously blasted Santa Claus with a shower of snowballs at halftime of a game as St. Nick circled helplessly around the field before stadium officials rescued him.

The place was considered so rough that the city opened up a jail — complete with a court and a judge — inside the stadium after a particularly nasty bout of drunkenness and fighting at a Monday night game between the Eagles and 49ers in 1997.

And the nightmares weren't limited to the stands.
The artificial playing surface for years had a notorious reputation as a career killer for NFL players, routinely wrecking knees and ankles. It finally was replaced, but the new surface was declared so bad that a preseason game between the Eagles and Baltimore Ravens was called off last year. Lincoln Field, at least, will have grass.
The Commanders, fierce NFC East rival of the Eagles, have had ugly moments at Veterans Stadium — and so have their fans.

The Commanders mascot and the Hogettes once were attacked in the stands. For players, one particular nightmare stands out: the Body Bag Game. In a brutally physical, injury-filled Monday night contest in 1990, the battered, beaten and bruised Commanders were forced to finish the game with running back Brian Mitchell at quarterback.

Former Commanders kicker Mark Moseley, who had the first kickoff ever at the stadium while he was playing for the Eagles, didn't look forward to playing there. "It was always a tough place to play," he said. "The crowd was always rowdy and nasty, some very rough people. One time I got hit in the head with a bottle. It was a good thing I had my helmet on."

Of course, Eagles fans will tell you they are portrayed unfairly. "The media kills us," Deery said. "We get a bad rap, but we go with it and play into people's fears."
Not that those fears are unwarranted.

"One time during a Commanders game, there was some guy wearing a [John] Riggins jersey and a pigskin mask," Deery said. "The Commanders were beating the Eagles bad, and this guy would just not sit down and shut up. The next thing you knew, four Eagles fans were giving the guy an early exit."

Still, according to Brian Lyons, a season-ticket holder for 14 seasons who got his start in the 700 level — "a good place to get your baptism at the Vet" — Commanders fans often hold their own.

"The craziest games were always against the Commanders," he said. "I have to give them credit — they would show up wearing their colors. But it was always crazy."

That craziness often added up to double-digit arrests at games for fighting, urinating in public, public drunkenness and all sorts of other infractions — such as reporting.
During a Monday night game in October this season, reporters one from the Atlantic City (N.J.) Press and KYW radio in Philadelphia were removed from Section 700, where they were interviewing fans. Their tape recorders were confiscated. The Press reporter was held in the stadium's police station, and the KYW reporter was escorted from the stadium.

The week before, a tabloid television crew had secretly followed Veterans Stadium security guards trying to keep order in 700. Club officials said the removal of the reporters was a mistake.

The Vet did not create rabid Eagles fans. The stadium actually inherited them from Franklin Field, where the Eagles built a rowdy following after winning the 1960 NFL championship. They moved to the $52million, multi-purpose Vet , along with the Phillies, when it opened in 1971.

Since then, Section 700 has developed into the worst of the worst — or the best of the best — depending on your point of view.

"The 700 level is very unique," Deery said. "It's a place where some people fear and others are proud to sit in it. The sad thing is that the Vet is coming to an end just as [coach Andy] Reid and [quarterback Donovan] McNabb are beginning. But we hope to keep the same mentality in the new stadium, though we know they will try to corral it as much as possible."

Not necessarily.
When plans for Lincoln Financial Field were first revealed, Eagles CEO Joe Banner said the facility "will bring the fans so much closer to the field. The entire building is designed from a fan's perspective and with a fan's day-of-game experience in mind."

But a Philadelphia fan's "day of game" experience is not like many others in the NFL.
"You can knock the Vet down, but it's the people that make the place," Lyons said.

http://www.nestofdeath.com/press/washTimes.html

 

[cwbyfan72]

nuff said.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You have to admit, this is kind of funny though.

•Eagles fans famously blasted Santa Claus with a shower of snowballs at halftime of a game as St. Nick circled helplessly around the field before stadium officials rescued him.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I hate to tell you this PT but labeling is a reality.

Please don't try to tell me I can't go to an Eagles website and find your fans who will accuse me of being a toothless, backy chewing, inbred redneck with a 6th grade education.

If they did, I would be the first Eagle's fan to step up and tell that Eagles fan that they are an ignorant troll! What ever happen to respect your opponent -- disagree with them if you must, but respect is part of Being a legitimately football saavy fan.

Philadelphia fans have a horrible reputation and I'm sorry but it is earned.

No argument, but as what I'd like to think of as a "true" Eagles fan, the Only way to change that is through recognizing that all Eagle fans simply do not fit the profile of that bad reputation. We'd like to change that image!

Complaining about it won't change the perception. If you want that to change you need to convince more of your fans to act like you do when you come here. They don't PT. I've banned more Eagles trolls than the rest of the team fan bases put together.

I hear your point.

I'm sorry, but you are the exception more than the rule in my view. Take that as a compliment because it is

I merely like football dialogue from different perspectives without trying to offend anyone. But I know there are a great number of Eagle fans just like me that are reluctant to venture out because of the bad media/reputation of others.

Eagles fans like me are not a minority -- they just tend to stay on Eagle MBs doing the very thing you described ...trying to mentor by example. He'll probably be upset at me for saying this, but Tobias Eagle is highly respected in my book -- and there are plenty like him on the Eagles MB, that are very classy Eagle fans.

BTW, thanks Hos.

 

[staticx]

Good Riddance

By Thom Loverro THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 12, 2002

They call it the Nest of Death
It is Section 700 at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia, a haven for rabid Eagles fans. It is a place with a Dawg Pound-caliber reputation for toughness that can match any other in the NFL.

One could argue that the Vet is one huge nest of death, a place where civilization has died and been replaced by green-and-silver-shaded anarchy.

"We like to put the fear of God in most teams and the fans that come into the stadium," said Bill Deery, a season ticket holder who sits in Section 700. Deery also likes to spread that fear via the Internet. He operates a Web site called nestofdeath.com that is devoted to all things Eagles: news, forums, stats, cheerleaders, face painters, celebrities, records and "old school" players — plus the sale of Nest of Death T-shirts, sweatshirts, tank tops and hats.

The Eagles are on the verge of leaving the nest, though. The stadium, loved by fans and cursed by opponents, is in its final days. The Eagles' game Sunday against the Washington Commanders is the final regular-season contest at the Vet. A more modern facility, Lincoln Financial Field, is scheduled to open next year.

Opposing players will shed few tears for the passing of the Vet, the place where Philadelphia fans earned their reputation as some of the toughest in sports.
Consider:

•In 1999, fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.
•That same year, fans threw D batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew, who held out for a year after the Phillies drafted him and eventually signed with the Cards instead.
•Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team's home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.
•Eagles fans famously blasted Santa Claus with a shower of snowballs at halftime of a game as St. Nick circled helplessly around the field before stadium officials rescued him.

The place was considered so rough that the city opened up a jail — complete with a court and a judge — inside the stadium after a particularly nasty bout of drunkenness and fighting at a Monday night game between the Eagles and 49ers in 1997.

And the nightmares weren't limited to the stands.
The artificial playing surface for years had a notorious reputation as a career killer for NFL players, routinely wrecking knees and ankles. It finally was replaced, but the new surface was declared so bad that a preseason game between the Eagles and Baltimore Ravens was called off last year. Lincoln Field, at least, will have grass.
The Commanders, fierce NFC East rival of the Eagles, have had ugly moments at Veterans Stadium — and so have their fans.

The Commanders mascot and the Hogettes once were attacked in the stands. For players, one particular nightmare stands out: the Body Bag Game. In a brutally physical, injury-filled Monday night contest in 1990, the battered, beaten and bruised Commanders were forced to finish the game with running back Brian Mitchell at quarterback.

Former Commanders kicker Mark Moseley, who had the first kickoff ever at the stadium while he was playing for the Eagles, didn't look forward to playing there. "It was always a tough place to play," he said. "The crowd was always rowdy and nasty, some very rough people. One time I got hit in the head with a bottle. It was a good thing I had my helmet on."

Of course, Eagles fans will tell you they are portrayed unfairly. "The media kills us," Deery said. "We get a bad rap, but we go with it and play into people's fears."
Not that those fears are unwarranted.

"One time during a Commanders game, there was some guy wearing a [John] Riggins jersey and a pigskin mask," Deery said. "The Commanders were beating the Eagles bad, and this guy would just not sit down and shut up. The next thing you knew, four Eagles fans were giving the guy an early exit."

Still, according to Brian Lyons, a season-ticket holder for 14 seasons who got his start in the 700 level — "a good place to get your baptism at the Vet" — Commanders fans often hold their own.

"The craziest games were always against the Commanders," he said. "I have to give them credit — they would show up wearing their colors. But it was always crazy."

That craziness often added up to double-digit arrests at games for fighting, urinating in public, public drunkenness and all sorts of other infractions — such as reporting.
During a Monday night game in October this season, reporters one from the Atlantic City (N.J.) Press and KYW radio in Philadelphia were removed from Section 700, where they were interviewing fans. Their tape recorders were confiscated. The Press reporter was held in the stadium's police station, and the KYW reporter was escorted from the stadium.

The week before, a tabloid television crew had secretly followed Veterans Stadium security guards trying to keep order in 700. Club officials said the removal of the reporters was a mistake.

The Vet did not create rabid Eagles fans. The stadium actually inherited them from Franklin Field, where the Eagles built a rowdy following after winning the 1960 NFL championship. They moved to the $52million, multi-purpose Vet , along with the Phillies, when it opened in 1971.

Since then, Section 700 has developed into the worst of the worst — or the best of the best — depending on your point of view.

"The 700 level is very unique," Deery said. "It's a place where some people fear and others are proud to sit in it. The sad thing is that the Vet is coming to an end just as [coach Andy] Reid and [quarterback Donovan] McNabb are beginning. But we hope to keep the same mentality in the new stadium, though we know they will try to corral it as much as possible."

Not necessarily.
When plans for Lincoln Financial Field were first revealed, Eagles CEO Joe Banner said the facility "will bring the fans so much closer to the field. The entire building is designed from a fan's perspective and with a fan's day-of-game experience in mind."

But a Philadelphia fan's "day of game" experience is not like many others in the NFL.
"You can knock the Vet down, but it's the people that make the place," Lyons said.

http://www.nestofdeath.com/press/washTimes.html

I wish they would get rid of the stadium and the Eagles, the fans don't deserve to have a Football team since that act like complete idiots...

 

[Hostile]

If they did, I would be the first Eagle's fan to step up and tell that Eagles fan that they are an ignorant troll! What ever happen to respect your opponent -- disagree with them if you must, but respect is part of Being a legitimately football saavy fan.

This again, makes you the exception, not the rule as an Eagles fan.

No argument, but as what I'd like to think of as a "true" Eagles fan, the Only way to change that is through recognizing that all Eagle fans simply do not fit the profile of that bad reputation. We'd like to change that image!

That reputation will not change until your athletes start expressing real disgust. Too often I hear them excusing the actions of the fans by saying "it's a blue collar town." Guess what PT? Every town in America is a blue collar town. There isn't a building in this country built by guys in business suits and ties. As long as your athletes say they appreciate the fans they will keep it up.

I hear your point.

Let me expound on my point about trolls a little. I can't tell you how many times I've seen pictures of the Irvin injury posted by these trolls. Never going to paint your fan base in a good light.

I used to work in a sporting goods store here while I was putting myself through college. One day at work I was wearning a Cowboys jersey and a kid came in to buy an Eagles jersey. He asked me why I was a Cowboys fan. I answered him and asked why he was an Eagles fan. He replied, "because I'm a thug."

That stigma reaches all across the country PT.

I merely like football dialogue from different perspectives without trying to offend anyone. But I know there are a great number of Eagle fans just like me that are reluctant to venture out because of the bad media/reputation of others.

It's a shame they don't venture out because they allow the trolls to feed the perception.

Eagles fans like me are not a minority -- they just tend to stay on Eagle MBs doing the very thing you described ...trying to mentor by example. He'll probably be upset at me for saying this, but Tobias Eagle is highly respected in my book -- and there are plenty like him on the Eagles MB, that are very classy Eagle fans.

BTW, thanks Hos.

You know what PT, I never believe the most vocal or visible are the majority. That doesn't change perception. If you truly want change you're going to have to be more vocal. So are your fellow fans who think as you.

 

[joseephuss]

I hate to tell you this PT but labeling is a reality.

Please don't try to tell me I can't go to an Eagles website and find your fans who will accuse me of being a toothless, backy chewing, inbred redneck with a 6th grade education.

Philadelphia fans have a horrible reputation and I'm sorry but it is earned. The same way Raiders fans have earned theirs. Does it mean it encompasses everybody? No, and no one here is saying it does. But to think your fan base has not earned their reputation is naive at best.

Complaining about it won't change the perception. If you want that to change you need to convince more of your fans to act like you do when you come here. They don't PT. I've banned more Eagles trolls than the rest of the team fan bases put together.

I'm sorry, but you are the exception more than the rule in my view. Take that as a compliment because it is.

I have seen Pittsburgh fans cheer when opposing players were injured. Maybe it isn't a Philadelphia thing, but a Pennsylvania thing.

 

[Payton34Smith22]

HaHa....that's awesome! Where's Ron Artest when you need him?
If I had a beer poured on me, I would do the same thing!

 

[kingwhicker]

C'mon, where is that Philly tough guy reputation- that Philly woman should have laid her out if they are as tough as they claim to be- I was up there the week after we beat them in Philly and that was one of the nicest (as far as people go) large cities I've ever been to and I walked everywhere with no problems.

 

[kingwhicker]

I have seen Pittsburgh fans cheer when opposing players were injured. Maybe it isn't a Philadelphia thing, but a Pennsylvania thing.

Pennsylvania is an awesome state with wonderful people- unfortunately Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are both full of the lowest common denominator. Without them the state would be utopian.