Commanders

[riggo]

I find it very, very hard to believe that the Skins defense is anything to sweat this year. Yes, they'll be better than last year. They did manage to get Wright, Rumph, Marshall and Holdman off the field, so they can't help but improve. They might even get into the teens, defensive ranking-wise. That's still a long way from "dominant" or even "good".

shocker that i'd disagree but, take into account that (sorry to repeat, i know i've said this before) they spent a good part of the season at #1 3 seasons ago before finishing ranked 3rd. i know- its a long time ago... 2 years ago, over the last 6 games of the season, they were the #1 D in the league in both rush D and points allowed.

obviously they were horrible last year, but when you account for the injuries, i'm not sure you can conclude that last year will be an accurate representation of how they'll be this year. landry looks every bit the player they thought they were getting, and macintosh has been a monster. fletcher has been great and they have a lot of depth at DB- unlike last year.

as for the O, i'm not sure anyones pointed out that the left side of the O line isnt likely what you'll see when the season starts. samuels is very good and kendall should be a big step up from the wade/pucillo experiment. portis hasnt played and betts has hardly seen the field. the skins were #4 in rush O last year and learning a new offensive system with a virtual rookie QB. i dont think the skins will resemble the colts offensively, but i think they'll be good enough.

 

[theebs]

The Commanders are a wild card team.

They are going to get off to a fast start, 4-2 or 5-1.

I feel like I said a few days ago they are going to overpower Miami, Detroit, Arizona and the giants at home. I am not sure what to make of the packers yet.

The Commanders are a power football team. They will have a fast start that will lead to confidence and an above .500 season and a wild card birth.

At that point they will go as far as campbell can take them, just like us, going as far as romo can take us.

 

[WR17]

Still no DL pass rush. That will kill them in the end. The top QBs will eat their blitzes up.

That won't be a problem if we can stop the run. Almost every team in the league blitzes on 3rd and long. We couldn't stop the run last year and were forced to do a lot more cover 2.

Never had a strong defensive line under Gregg Williams, probably never will. We're bult to stop the run and Gregg Williams is a genious when it comes at scheming blitzes.

I have no worries about the defense. Offense, a lot, atleast for the start of the season. I'm hoping our defense can carry us through the first five weaks of the season so Portis and Samuels can knock off the rust and Kendall can adjust to our schemes.

Its a good thing two of our first three opponents are the Giants and Dolpins. A week 4 bye definetly helps along with playing the Lions right after it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That won't be a problem if we can stop the run. Almost every team in the league blitzes on 3rd and long. We couldn't stop the run last year and were forced to do a lot more cover 2.

coverage has nothing to do w/ stopping the run

Never had a strong defensive line under Gregg Williams, probably never will. We're bult to stop the run and Gregg Williams is a genious when it comes at scheming blitzes.

too bad his scheme has been figured out since '05

 

[WR17]

btw I think our record will be between 7-9 and 10-6. I don't see us being worse than 7-9 and I don't see us being a lot better than a 10-6 team.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The Commanders are a wild card team.

They are going to get off to a fast start, 4-2 or 5-1.

I feel like I said a few days ago they are going to overpower Miami, Detroit, Arizona and the giants at home. I am not sure what to make of the packers yet.

The Commanders are a power football team. They will have a fast start that will lead to confidence and an above .500 season and a wild card birth.

At that point they will go as far as campbell can take them, just like us, going as far as romo can take us.

 

[WR17]

coverage has nothing to do w/ stopping the run



too bad his scheme has been figured out since '05

It actually does. If you can't stop the run, you most likely can't stop the pass. Teams ran all over us. Creating short distance 2nd and 3rd downs. The entire problem last year was the linebackers inablity to stop the run.

Heh so it took the league over a decade to figure his schemes out? Not really, because the point is, he never ran his schemes last year. The personell didn't fit.

Its hard to figure out a coordinators schemes when he never ran what he actually does. ESPN had an entire article mid season last year about Gregg Williams forced to play Cover 2 rather than his regular btlizing defense due to the extremely poor personel.

Sorry to burst your bubble. You dont have to believe what I say though. Just don't be shocked when we have one of the most stingy defenses in the NFC this year

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It actually does. If you can't stop the run, you most likely can't stop the pass. Teams ran all over us. Creating short distance 2nd and 3rd downs. The entire problem last year was the linebackers inablity to stop the run.

you switched to the cover-2 because you couldn't stop the short passes, the cover 2 is a zone, it's intended to make it harder for teams to pass in the middle of the field

Heh so it took the league over a decade to figure his schemes out? Not really, because the point is, he never ran his schemes last year. The personell didn't fit.

Its hard to figure out a coordinators schemes when he never ran what he actually does. ESPN had an entire article mid season last year about Gregg Williams forced to play Cover 2 rather than his regular btlizing defense due to the extremely poor personel.

you went to cover-2 because teams figured out how to beat Greg William's blitz, which is short passes, except for it all bottomed-out because you couldn't stop short or long pass plays

Sorry to burst your bubble. You dont have to believe what I say though. Just don't be shocked when we have one of the most stingy defenses in the NFC this year

you'll probably be stingy against the run, but why run when you can pass?

no charge for the cover-2 lesson

 

[AsthmaField]

The entire problem last year was the linebackers inablity to stop the run.

I'm not so sure that was the entire problem.

Heh so it took the league over a decade to figure his schemes out? Not really, because the point is, he never ran his schemes last year. The personell didn't fit.

He was the one who brought in/released all the players on that side of the ball... so I hope for your sake that he's gotten a little better at knowing what personnel he needs.

Its hard to figure out a coordinators schemes when he never ran what he actually does. ESPN had an entire article mid season last year about Gregg Williams forced to play Cover 2 rather than his regular btlizing defense due to the extremely poor personel.

Springs, Rogers, Taylor, Washington, Carter, Salave'a, Griffin, Daniels/Wynn included? Because those 9 guys will be playing 8 positions on your new improved defense. So Landry, McIntosh and Fletcher are going to make your defense go from worst to top 5? I know Fletcher will help, as will not having Archuleta... but that will make that big of a difference?

We shall see, I suppose.

Sorry to burst your bubble. You dont have to believe what I say though. Just don't be shocked when we have one of the most stingy defenses in the NFC this year

I'm just wondering who's bubble is going to be the one bursting?

 

[WR17]

you switched to the cover-2 because you couldn't stop the short passes, the cover 2 is a zone, it's intended to make it harder for teams to pass in the middle of the field



you went to cover-2 because teams figured out how to beat Greg William's blitz, which is short passes



you'll probably be stingy against the run, but why run when you can pass?

no charge for the cover-2 lesson

Wrong. We went Cover 2 because our main corners for most of the season were Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh and Carlos Rogers with broken thumbs. Like I said, the personell wasn't there to run man defense. The personell is available this year to run man defense. Neglecting the corner spot over the offseason really cost us.

Its kinda hard to figure out a defensive system thats been run by Buddy Ryan and his disciples for decades now.

Hate to burst your bubble Bob. . You can go back on drinking the haterade now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Wrong.

no, I'm right, the Cover-2 is to prevent teams from successfully passing in the middle of the field, which teams were, which is how you beat the blitz, which is why you had to switch to it

Fred Smoot in man? oh, that's every team's dream scenario man

 

[WR17]

Springs, Rogers, Taylor, Washington, Carter, Salave'a, Griffin, Daniels/Wynn included? Because those 9 guys will be playing 8 positions on your new improved defense. So Landry, McIntosh and Fletcher are going to make your defense go from worst to top 5? I know Fletcher will help, as will not having Archuleta... but that will make that big of a difference?

Springs was banged up for nearly the entire season. Played about 4 or 5 games at full go.

Marcus Washington and Cornelius Griffin played through severe hip injuries. Marcus also had to deal with depression problems due to personal issues.

Landry, McIntosh and Flecher are huge additions along with getting guys like Washington, Griffin and Springs back full healed from there injuries.

Our secondary from last year for most of the games:

Kenny Wright
Carlos Rogers
Sean Taylor
Vernon Fox/Adam Archuleta

Now replaced with:

Shawn Springs/Fred Smoot
Carlos Rogers
Sean Taylor
LaRon Landry

Linebackers from last year:

Warrick Holdman
Lemar Marshall
Marcus Washington (banged up for the entire season, along with being depressed)

replaced with:

Rocky McIntosh
London Fletcher
Marcus Washington

I'm not wasting my time going over everything. I've seen so far in the preseason the swagger and the speed of this defense. Every single guy on the field has a chip on its shoulder. The attitude and the aggressiveness that was missing last year is back.

But its ok, like Bob Sacramano said, teams have figured Gregg Williams out. You can keep believing that. Hopefully the 16 coordinators we face this year believe that too.

 

[AsthmaField]

no, I'm right, the Cover-2 is to prevent teams from successfully passing in the middle of the field, which teams were, which is how you beat the blitz, which is why you had to switch to it

Fred Smoot in man? oh, that's every team's dream scenario man

I'm just waiting for his list of Wright, Rumph, Archuleta, etc., who are no longer Commanders as proof of their huge swing in defensive ranking.

Fact is, 8 of the 11 defensive starters were there last season. Not completely healthy, of course... but I doubt they will be this year, either.

 

[AsthmaField]

LOL... you just beat me in with it.

What a colossal waste of time. I knew that. You still had springs, Rogers, Taylor, Washington, Carter, Griffin, Salave'a, and Daniels there last year.

But they'll have improved intensity and aggressiveness this year though, right.

That'll make a big difference.

 

[WR17]

no, I'm right, the Cover-2 is to prevent teams from successfully passing in the middle of the field, which teams were, which is how you beat the blitz, which is why you had to switch to it

Fred Smoot in man? oh, that's every team's dream scenario man

Fred Smoot in the man is an above average starting corner. The same guy who landed himself what at that time was one of the best deals ever for a corner. Fred Smoot was burnt toast in a zone scheme defense, not man.

Ok Bob, I guess your right. ESPN, Gregg Williams himself, the players from last year and the players from opposing teams are all wrong. It had nothing to do with personell. Teams have figured out the Buddy Ryan defense

I'll be here, no worries. I'll glady eat crow if were getting toasted in the regular season like last year.

 

[Green28]

From what I have seen and it was just going by preseason, their defense will not get a chance simply because the offense does not seem to be able to put together a decent drive, which in turn is going to cause alot of three and outs which is going to put their defense back on the field. In two and half preseason games I have seen ONE decent drive by them. I don't put much stock in preseason for them or us...though really....

Maybe if you add Campbell, Portis, Samuels, and Betts for more than 3 carries, things will change.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fred Smoot in the man is an above average starting corner. The same guy who landed himself what at that time was one of the best deals ever for a corner. Fred Smoot was burnt toast in a zone scheme defense, not man.

Smoot is aggressive, makes bad decisions

Ok Bob, I guess your right. ESPN, Gregg Williams himself, the players from last year and the players from opposing teams are all wrong. It had nothing to do with personell. Teams have figured out the Buddy Ryan defense

you're using ESPN as a credible source? :laugh2: and Gregg is making excuses for why he failed, everyone knows that he's a primmadonna

I'll be here, no worries. I'll glady eat crow if were getting toasted in the regular season like last year.

I think you'll be fine against the run, I just don't see a good coverage team

 

[AsthmaField]

Teams have figured out the Buddy Ryan defense

Williams doesn't play very much of the "buddy ryan" defense. He's mainly a 4-3 guy.

If he did what Buddy Ryan did, he'd have some decent DL on hand. Buddy always went with the DL first when getting players.

Chicago: Dan Hampton, William Perry, Richard Dent, Steve McMichael

Philly: Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, Mike Golic, Mike Pitts.

Washington: Carter, Griffen, Salave'a, Daniels

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol Asthma, Greg uses a variation of the 46, Ryan's D, it's not a true 46

btw WR17, you beat the blitz w/ short, quick hitting pass-plays, that's football 101

 

[AsthmaField]

lol Asthma, Greg uses a variation of the 46, Ryan's D, it's not a true 46

I know they only use it in spots. Primarily he plays a typical 4-3 defense. This year of course, the rallying cry for Commander fans is that last year he couldn't play the 46 but now he's back to normal, baby!!!