CFZ Comparing The Head Coaches JJ has hired

[Big_D]

It is a mystery how Jimmy failed at Miami ( 36-28 record) , 2-3 in playoffs. Some of the losses were massive . Salary cap and maybe he was tired .

The owner wouldn’t let him replace Marino. Mystery solved. Great QB at one time, but a shell of himself during the Johnson era.

 

[Big_D]

Not a mystery at all. Jerry set the stage. Jimmy acted miraculously on it.

Miami was not a place that set the stage. Very few teams back then...were. Niners? Would Jimmy succeeded there? What other team would Jimmy have succeeded? We know NCAA coached have extremely limited success in the NFL even to this day. So...what was it?

If we just accept it was Jimmy and Jerry TOGETHER......each one playing their separate part....it's easy.

Jerry proved he can;t coach Cowboys to a Super Bowl....and Jimmy...in his limited time...proved he couldn't GM/Owner his way to a Super bowl.

Not sure why this is a "mystery". Just give the credit.....free yourself.

Jimmy left because Jerry wanted to change the contract and be “part of the fun”. Actual quote cause he wasn’t. Keep pretending Jerry played some intricate part in those championships considering he’s been a complete disaster! This is what being part of the fun gets you. Like his money played some huge part? lol

Tell me how intricate Bob Kraft was in NE or Georgia Frontiere in St. Louis? Are their fans this pathetic when it comes to completely dismissing the HC for the sake of the owner. I dont think so. It’s not Bellichick.. it’s really Bob Kraft. 50/51% responsible. What would you say?

 

[basel90]

The owner wouldn’t let him replace Marino. Mystery solved. Great QB at one time, but a shell of himself during the Johnson era.

what about the defensive failures etc. not sure the Marino is the main problem. he was still a capable passer .

 

[Big_D]

what about the defensive failures etc. not sure the Marino is the main problem. he was still a capable passer .

he threw 12 TDS at one point. That’s far from capable. Defense he found guys like Jonathan Taylor and Zach Thomas. And started laying a foundation. Trying to compliment a QB in his twilight years. Just funny that because he couldn’t repeat a dynasty somehow takes away from what he accomplished here.

Marino was definitely part of the problem when that team desperately needed to look in a younger direction. Made no sense at all for Miami to bring in Johnson while still clinging to an aging QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Here ya go...
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34815255/1992-nfl-player-salaries-by-team/

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-08-19-1993231003-story.html

As you can see the Boys were about 19th in salary in the 91-92 season, in the second link written in Aug '93 they were 26th...

And you can see that generally the best players by position got the biggest contracts regardless of team, and just the way it was I'm sure when Airman's and Emmitts contract came up they were also the top paid at there positions cause they were arguably the best.

As for Ken Norton - we drafted him and actually lost him to SF in free agency before the '94 season.

Okay...thanks for setting me straight.

 

[basel90]

he threw 12 TDS at one point. That’s far from capable. Defense he found guys like Jonathan Taylor and Zach Thomas. And started laying a foundation. Trying to compliment a QB in his twilight years. Just funny that because he couldn’t repeat a dynasty somehow takes away from what he accomplished here.

Marino was definitely part of the problem when that team desperately needed to look in a younger direction. Made no sense at all for Miami to bring in Johnson while still clinging to an aging QB.

All good points indeed. JJ coaching is not in question here. am sure the meddling and politics had a lot to do with it. Was not aware marino fell behind so badly.

 

[Chuck 54]

In the 33 seasons Jerry Jones has owned the Cowboys, he has hired 8 different head coaches. The combined regular season records of those 33 seasons is 285-240 (.542) and has qualified for the playoffs 16 of 33 seasons, with a 15-13 playoff record, and 3 SB titles. Amazingly, 12 of those 15 playoff wins were won from 1991-96. In the period of 1997-2022, the playoff record is 3-10.

Looking at the 8 HCs Jerry has hired, it’s clear: The first one he hired was the best. Jimmy Johnson won 7 of the 15 playoff games in the Jerry era, more than any other HC under Jerry, and that was in 5 years. Barry Switzer won 5 playoff games, but we all know, those wins were mostly with players Jimmy drafted and developed.

So let’s look closer at the 8 head coaches and how they have done:

• Jimmy Johnson: 5 seasons, 2 SB titles, 44-36 reg season record, 7-1 playoff record, made playoffs 3/5 seasons as HC. HOF COACH.
  
• Barry Switzer: 4 seasons, 1 SB title, 40-24 reg season record, 5-2 playoff record, made playoffs 3/4 seasons as HC.
• Chan Gailey- 2 seasons, 18-14 reg season record, 0-2 playoff record, made playoffs 2/2 seasons.
• Dave Campo- 3 seasons, 15-33 reg season record, never made the playoffs in 3 seasons.
• Bill Parcells- 4 seasons, 34-30 reg season record, 0-2 in the playoffs, made playoffs in 2/4 seasons. (Parcells is a HOF Coach, but mostly based on time with other teams)
• Wade Phillips- 3.5 seasons, 34-22 reg season record, 1-2 in playoffs, made playoffs in 2/3.5 seasons.
• Jason Garrett- 9.5 seasons, 85-67 reg season record, 2-3 in playoffs, made playoffs 3/9.5 seasons.
• Mike McCarthy- 2 seasons, 18-15 reg season record, 0-1 in l,ayoffs, made playoffs 1/2 seasons.

Conclusions:

• Jimmy was clearly the best HC Jerry ever hired. He won nearly half of the total playoff wins the team has had under Jerry.
• Between Jimmy and Barry S, the Cowboys won 12 of the 15 playoff games the team has won under Jerry.
  
• It still amazes me that Jason Garrett only made the playoffs 3 times in his 9.5 seasons here as HC. That’s terrible. What other NFL team would have kept a HC that long?
• Of the 7 guys who are “former Cowboys HCs”, only Jimmy and Chan Gailey ever got another NFL head coaching gig. Parcells of course retired and so did Barry.
• Being a HC under Jerry Jones has not been an attractive HC re-hire after leaving Dallas.

What this, along with Jimmy's lack of success in Miami, is that it really wasn't about "coaching." If it was, we would be holding Barry in higher regard. Jimmy talked Jerry into making one huge trade of the best player on the team, and then he guided Jerry in putting most of the new pieces together, along with the holdovers, like Aikman and Irvin (yes, Aikman was part of the first draft by JJ/JJ)), but before they had a clue what they had or what they were doing.

To me, this says it's more about the personnel than the actual coaching as most of us would define it. Dallas had the best players in the NFL, and only the 49ers were close. The earlier Staubach led Cowboys were NOT the best team in the NFL. Talented, yes, but they were clearly not as good as the Steelers or the early Packers. Back then, I think it was indeed more about Landry's coaching than about the actual players, even though he had some great ones. Then the league caught up to him and he had no more tricks, not to mention the team actually sucked.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

Okay...thanks for setting me straight.

Thanks for being a gentleman - respect.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

And that’s really a good measurement of Mgmt or coaching. Are you in a better place when they left than when they arrived?

There’s only been 3 HC’s in Jethro era who have left the Cowboys with more talent in better position than when they took over. Jimmy, Bill and Jason.

Blasphemy to put Jason name along side Jimmy and Bill.

 

[Diehardblues]

Blasphemy to put Jason name along side Jimmy and Bill.

Generally yes but not in the context I presented.