Twitter: Competition Committee says Dez caught it **merged**

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I thought all GB needed was a FG to win if the catch was upheld. Either way on one leg Mr. State Farm ate our D up all game. Then all of a sudden we would expect that D to play like the Doomsday Day D of the late 70's on the last series of the game in GB? Dont think it would have happened.

 

[Kevinicus]

Well, we agree on the lunge but in 8.12 I see those "multiple other acts" you mention like the "switching of hands" and "tucking" the ball into his arm. I can't believe in a leaping one arm catch you have to accept to avoid those other acts that just about all the catch theorists said Dez performed and did happen here.

Just because you see things that aren't there doesn't make you right. It just means you have an active imagination instead of a grasp of facts.

It's sad you think this requires a leaping one handed catch. It's almost as if you are new to football.

 

[Kevinicus]

I thought all GB needed was a FG to win if the catch was upheld. Either way on one leg Mr. State Farm ate our D up all game. Then all of a sudden we would expect that D to play like the Doomsday Day D of the late 70's on the last series of the game in GB? Dont think it would have happened.

TD gives Dallas a 1 pt lead, if the 2 pt conversion is good, it's 3 pts, so a FG to tie. Lots of things could happen outside of Rodgers control. Dallas also could have got the ball back. It is silly to assume one way or the other, but I'll take the lead and take my chances.

 

[blindzebra]

Just because you see things that aren't there doesn't make you right. It just means you have an active imagination instead of a grasp of facts.

It's sad you think this requires a leaping one handed catch. It's almost as if you are new to football.

You are missing the reason behind it. He is trying to discredit Dez moving the ball to his left hand as a football move.

 

[blindzebra]

TD gives Dallas a 1 pt lead, if the 2 pt conversion is good, it's 3 pts, so a FG to tie. Lots of things could happen outside of Rodgers control. Dallas also could have got the ball back. It is silly to assume one way or the other, but I'll take the lead and take my chances.

As I recall there were several games during the season where the D made a play late to end the game.

 

[Kevinicus]

You are missing the reason behind it. He is trying to discredit Dez moving the ball to his left hand as a football move.

Oh I see it. He is like his partner, saying one phrase means something completely different. They quote something that says "the sky is blue" and claim it clearly says "the sky is pink" and call you crazy for saying that it in fact says it's blue.

 

[MarcusRock]

Talk about a load of crap. More assumptions on your part. It said he gained control with one foot down, how the hell do you know at what point he moved the ball to his right hand? It doesn't say in the case play. He could have done it between the time his first foot hit and he got contacted, he could have done it after contact and before the second foot came down. If he did it before he had control and two feet it isn't an act common to the game yet. All the case plays says is where the ball was when he braced, not when it got there.

I will agree, it does not say when. However, if any number of acts common to the game can get a player out of going to the ground, then why do all the case plays (3 of them) show a player escaping going to the ground via a lunge? Why don't any of them show any of the many "act" options out there? It's because none of those things keeps a player from going to the ground. But a lunge does. It's the same reason number of steps are irrelevant in going to the ground. They don't keep you from falling either. So it's not "any act."

Caseplay 15.95 ruling:
In this situation, the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. He has completed the time element required for the pass to be complete and does not have to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. When he hit the ground, he was down by contact.

Caseplay 8.12 ruling:
The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of
the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.

Caseplay 8.13 ruling:
The receiver went to the ground as the result of lunging for the goal line, not in the process of making the catch.

 

[MarcusRock]

And it could be multiple other acts, it just happens to be a lunge here. Also, the effectiveness of the act is irrelevant. Once it starts we know the time requirement has been met and the catch process complete.

Didn't catch this earlier, but what was that about seeing things that aren't there? The case plays don't say once the receiver "starts" to lunge, the play becomes a catch. I just posted them. They say the "act of lunging" or the "result of lunging." Nice try at attempting to shoehorn Dez' failed lunge into a complete one but you have to actually complete the act not just start it.

 

[blindzebra]

I will agree, it does not say when. However, if any number of acts common to the game can get a player out of going to the ground, then why do all the case plays (3 of them) show a player escaping going to the ground via a lunge? Why don't any of them show any of the many "act" options out there? It's because none of those things keeps a player from going to the ground. But a lunge does. It's the same reason number of steps are irrelevant in going to the ground. They don't keep you from falling either. So it's not "any act."

Caseplay 15.95 ruling:
In this situation, the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. He has completed the time element required for the pass to be complete and does not have to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. When he hit the ground, he was down by contact.

Caseplay 8.12 ruling:
The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of
the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.

Caseplay 8.13 ruling:
The receiver went to the ground as the result of lunging for the goal line, not in the process of making the catch.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
That is not how case plays work. Look at this play:

A.R. 9.73 BLOCKING OUT OF BOUNDS DURING PUNT/DURING RETURN
Fourth-and-10 on A40. A1’s punt is fielded by B1 at the B10 and returned to the 50. B2 blocks A2 causing A2 to go
out of bounds, and B3 then immediately goes out of bounds and blocks A2 again at the B40 while they are both out
of bounds. The block by B3 occurs (a) during the kick; or (b) during the return.
Rulings:
(a) B’s ball, first-and-10 on B5. It is illegal to go out of bounds to block an opponent during a punt. This is a postpossession
foul.
(b) B’s ball, first-and-10 on 50. No foul. This action did not happen during the punt. (12-2-6-c)

When you have a specific item under the rule you will see an a) and b) format with results for each. Notice that it also has the rule citation as well at the end. If a lunge was the only act you would have a case play where another act was a) and a lunge was b) with two different rulings along with a rule book citation. Without such a clarification normal official protocol is to use the appropriate rule as written, and in 2014 an act common to the game listed many acts with an etc. meaning even more acts also apply. There is no rule book corroboration for your lunge theory.

 

[blindzebra]

Didn't catch this earlier, but what was that about seeing things that aren't there? The case plays don't say once the receiver "starts" to lunge, the play becomes a catch. I just posted them. They say the "act of lunging" or the "result of lunging." Nice try at attempting to shoehorn Dez' failed lunge into a complete one but you have to actually complete the act not just start it.

No, the rule clearly states the time to do so, the act itself does not need to be completed.

Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

You really should stop, you are only embarrassing yourself more and more.

 

[MarcusRock]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
That is not how case plays work. Look at this play:

A.R. 9.73 BLOCKING OUT OF BOUNDS DURING PUNT/DURING RETURN
Fourth-and-10 on A40. A1’s punt is fielded by B1 at the B10 and returned to the 50. B2 blocks A2 causing A2 to go
out of bounds, and B3 then immediately goes out of bounds and blocks A2 again at the B40 while they are both out
of bounds. The block by B3 occurs (a) during the kick; or (b) during the return.
Rulings:
(a) B’s ball, first-and-10 on B5. It is illegal to go out of bounds to block an opponent during a punt. This is a postpossession
foul.
(b) B’s ball, first-and-10 on 50. No foul. This action did not happen during the punt. (12-2-6-c)

When you have a specific item under the rule you will see an a) and b) format with results for each. Notice that it also has the rule citation as well at the end. If a lunge was the only act you would have a case play where another act was a) and a lunge was b) with two different rulings along with a rule book citation. Without such a clarification normal official protocol is to use the appropriate rule as written, and in 2014 an act common to the game listed many acts with an etc. meaning even more acts also apply. There is no rule book corroboration for your lunge theory.

Except that all the case plays say that the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. However, receivers are given credit for time because they performed this separate act.

 

[blindzebra]

Except that all the case plays say that the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. However, receivers are given credit for time because they performed this separate act.

It isn't part of the catch process because you are a runner. The catch process is control and two feet, c) makes you are a runner. A) and B) you are a receiver in the process of catching the ball.

 

[MarcusRock]

No, the rule clearly states the time to do so, the act itself does not need to be completed.

Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

You really should stop, you are only embarrassing yourself more and more.

We are back to your original statement of a player being a runner before the lunge which is not true at all. In the case plays, you know a receiver has "time enough" because they lunge.

 

[blindzebra]

We are back to your original statement of a player being a runner before the lunge which is not true at all. In the case plays, you know a receiver has "time enough" because they lunge.

It is a transition from receiver to runner, that is what time/move is and why it says a lunge is not part of the process of the catch, you don't lunge to catch the pass, you lunge to advance the ball, as a runner.

 

[MarcusRock]

It isn't part of the catch process because you are a runner. The catch process is control and two feet, c) makes you are a runner. A) and B) you are a receiver in the process of catching the ball.

You are credited with the time element to be a runner after you lunge, not before. Otherwise, you don't have to do anything when you're going to the ground which we know is not true. Surviving the ground is the substitute for (a), (b), or (c) not being met which is why everyone was looking at Dez' failed lunge because it was the last piece after (a) and (b) had been met but you actually have to perform the act to prove time just like in the case plays.

 

[blindzebra]

You are credited with the time element to be a runner after you lunge, not before. Otherwise, you don't have to do anything when you're going to the ground which we know is not true. Surviving the ground is the substitute for (a), (b), or (c) not being met which is why everyone was looking at Dez' failed lunge because it was the last piece after (a) and (b) had been met but you actually have to perform the act to prove time just like in the case plays.

Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

 

[MarcusRock]

It is a transition from receiver to runner, that is what time/move is and why it says a lunge is not part of the process of the catch, you don't lunge to catch the pass, you lunge to advance the ball, as a runner.

None of the case plays say that because the receiver "had time enough to lunge" therefore the pass was complete. They all say the "act of lunging" or the "result of lunging" because performing it proved "time enough." If you are a runner before you lunge, the lunge isn't necessary. Just like you can brace for a lunge but if you crumple to the ground, nothing stopped you from falling and you are subject to going to the ground.

 

[blindzebra]

None of the case plays say that because the receiver "had time enough to lunge" therefore the pass was complete. They all say the "act of lunging" or the "result of lunging" because performing it proved "time enough." If you are a runner before you lunge, the lunge isn't necessary. Just like you can brace for a lunge but if you crumple to the ground, nothing stopped you from falling and you are subject to going to the ground.

Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

 

[MarcusRock]

Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

How do you know he has time to commit an act while going to the ground? Is there a magic stopwatch during replay? If you're going to the ground, you have to prove "time enough" otherwise you get the going to the ground tag slapped on you. All the case plays show a lunge that's not part of the process of the catch even with many, many acts to choose from.

If you are upright and a defender bear hugs you to prevent you from committing an act, then an official can determine you've had the ball "time enough" even though you've committed no football move.

 

[blindzebra]

How do you know he has time to commit an act while going to the ground? Is there a magic stopwatch during replay? If you're going to the ground, you have to prove "time enough" otherwise you get the going to the ground tag slapped on you. All the case plays show a lunge that's not part of the process of the catch even with many, many acts to choose from.

If you are upright and a defender bear hugs you to prevent you from committing an act, then an official can determine you've had the ball "time enough" even though you've committed no football move.

The rules say your take is wrong, repeating it over and over won't change it. Besides the rules also say any act common to the game, so after Dez's second foot landed, that step...act common to the game...moving the ball to his dominate hand that was closest to the end zone...act common to the game...even if you buy Blandino's BS about not enough of a lunge, that reach...act common to the game. And back to that not enough of a lunge, by saying Dez attempted to lunge, that is admitting that he was attempting a move of a runner and not a receiver, thus meeting the time enough to make an act common to the game because the rules say;
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.