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[ScipioCowboy]

I assess Jerry's abilities as GM based solely on results. And, thus far, those results can be summarized thusly: 12 consecutive years without a playoff win and the longest stretch of frivolity and mediocrity in Cowboys' history.

Jerry has yet to prove he's capable of building a playoff-winning organization in the modern NFL. His results are not indicative of a great or even good GM. Now, Jerry has most definitely improved since the Campo era. He's not terrible. He's mediocre -- much like his team has been over the past 5 years.

 

[jobberone]

I honestly think Jerry is a good GM. Look at the talent. He rarely misses in the 1st two rounds. He is stealar in the late rounds if you are to admit late round picks have a less than 5% chance to make the final roster. He is very good of late on undrafted free agents. Dallas's top two offensive weapons were not even drafted. Look at the late draft picks and undrafted guys that make an impact on the team: Ratlif, Alan Ball, Scandrich (sp) Hurd, Crayton, Austin, Romo, Deon and Beuler.

That's an impressive list. As a GM he gets picked on for the Roy trade, but the last two weeks, its not looking so bad. As much as he gets ragged about Roy, he doesn't get enough credit for Ratlif, Ball, Crayton etc. That knife has to cut both ways.

And I'm no Wade fan. He has to get more out of the talent he has. I'm old school. I'm ok with pushing the players. I'm ok with not being the players friend. I think Wade is doing less with more. The talent is good enough here to win it all. The focus on the other hand is lacking. That spill he did two years ago about winning a playoff game because we had the bye was embarrassing. That is loser talk or moral victory, but it is not the talk of a winner.

Now this is a good post.

 

[jobberone]

Bingo...give the man his prize. I am now a firm believer in Dbair's theory that we have the largest collection of the stupidest fans that has ever existed on the face of this or any other planet.

No. I know the Commanders fans are more stupid. That's just one example.

 

[Dodger12]

The thing about this is, we had those guys first. They had to see what our people saw. Every one of those guys was given a chance somewhere else. One guy who fits the we gave him a shot was Ryan Leaf and Jerry didn't keep him around long at all.

I don't mind giving guys, especially QBs, time to develop. Especially if there is some talent there. But when the time came to move on, we moved on. I don't see any evidence that Jerry was clutching at their ankles and bemoaning the decision to send them on their way.

I have no problem with a Coach or GM having high hopes for a player. Fans do, why can't they? If Jerry loved Drew Henson then so what? Parcells was visibly upset after letting Q go. Does that mean he's an idiot? I think it just makes him human.

It's not the point about whether or not Jerry loved Henson. Again, I don't blame him one bit for taking a shot. But when Jerry has a project, he'll stick with it come hell or high water which is why I commented to an earlier poster who credited Jones with keeping Romo around. Henson was Jerry's guy and, if I recall, he took Aikman to Henson's workout. Aikman gave Henson his seal of approval and rest is/was history. I remember reading that BP had to really sell Jerry on cutting QC because QC couldn't be trusted. If BP wasn't here, I'm not so sure QB or Hutch are gone.

And Ryan Leaf only backs up my argument. Leaf played in several games and was a starter for us when his career was clearly over. Jerry's track record of drafting, signing or playing QB's is abysmal and carried over when he no longer had a stronger willed HC to keep him in check. He gambled and missed on Matt Moore and signed off on Brad Johnson. There's no evidence to believe that Jerry would have kept Romo over Henson if BP/Payton weren't here and that's not a big slight on Jerry. Jerry kept Romo probably on the advice of his coaches, just as he did Johnson. The problem comes when he surrounds himself with coaches like Wade who sign off on Jerry's decisions because they don't have the balls to be vocal and try to reign Jerry in.

 

[jobberone]

Most of all this debate is conjecture. It is a fact our fortunes have dwindled since long ago. But we do have a talented roster and we remain competitive and are winning games at a .600+ clip. If we had some post season success a lot of the conversation would go away. If we win a SB it will all go away for awhile.

I'm not real happy esp with the past December's and later lack of results. But I do remind myself of past glory with Jerry at the helm. And I still remember the bitterness of losses to GB X 2, Cleveland X 2, then Baltimore. That wasn't as long a time as the current drought but we were failures. No different than Buffalo at one time or Philly now.

It's never as good as you think you have it nor is it as bad as you imagine.

We need to win a few games in the next month plus and it'll all be good.

 

[Hostile]

It's not the point about whether or not Jerry loved Henson. Again, I don't blame him one bit for taking a shot. But when Jerry has a project, he'll stick with it come hell or high water which is why I commented to an earlier poster who credited Jones with keeping Romo around. Henson was Jerry's guy and, if I recall, he took Aikman to Henson's workout. Aikman gave Henson his seal of approval and rest is/was history. I remember reading that BP had to really sell Jerry on cutting QC because QC couldn't be trusted. If BP wasn't here, I'm not so sure QB or Hutch are gone.

And Ryan Leaf only backs up my argument. Leaf played in several games and was a starter for us when his career was clearly over. Jerry's track record of drafting, signing or playing QB's is abysmal and carried over when he no longer had a stronger willed HC to keep him in check. He gambled and missed on Matt Moore and signed off on Brad Johnson. There's no evidence to believe that Jerry would have kept Romo over Henson if BP/Payton weren't here and that's not a big slight on Jerry. Jerry kept Romo probably on the advice of his coaches, just as he did Johnson. The problem comes when he surrounds himself with coaches like Wade who sign off on Jerry's decisions because they don't have the balls to be vocal and try to reign Jerry in.

Some of what you are saying is 100% true. No way I'm going to deny it. I was the guy who first reported Aikman being at Henson's workout for the Boys. Given what Jerry saw that day, why shouldn't he fall in love? I reported that 75 of 80 passes were completed that day to guys like Zuriel Smith. I have no idea what fiddling with his throwing motion did to the kid and I am not going to point a finger of blame at anyone. I was a QB coach whose responsibility was to correct flaws in mechanics. Every team does it. For some reason it killed Drew Henson. Maybe he wasn't mentally tough enough to overcome that. I don't know. I wish I did.

Jerry does hang onto some players too long. So does every team. It isn't like this is a Jerry trait that no one else suffers from. Why is Jake Delhomme still starting in Carolina? Why did the Bears keep trusting Grossman? Jason Campbell in round 1?

I can't scream down Jerry Jones for mistakes every team and GM make.

Contrary to a public perception bolstered by horrible facial expressions of pure wonder and bumbling Press Conferences Wade Phillips is a good football man. Wade doesn't sign off on Jerry's decisions. Jerry signs off on Wade's. Of course he also signed off on Campo's when he was at the helm.

He ain't perfect. No GM is. He's what we got and right now there's a pretty good job being done. Could it be a better job? IMO, yes. But I won't join a witch hunt when it is clearly wrong.

 

[rcaldw]

Some of what you are saying is 100% true. No way I'm going to deny it. I was the guy who first reported Aikman being at Henson's workout for the Boys. Given what Jerry saw that day, why shouldn't he fall in love? I reported that 75 of 80 passes were completed that day to guys like Zuriel Smith. I have no idea what fiddling with his throwing motion did to the kid and I am not going to point a finger of blame at anyone. I was a QB coach whose responsibility was to correct flaws in mechanics. Every team does it. For some reason it killed Drew Henson. Maybe he wasn't mentally tough enough to overcome that. I don't know. I wish I did.

Jerry does hang onto some players too long. So does every team. It isn't like this is a Jerry trait that no one else suffers from. Why is Jake Delhomme still starting in Carolina? Why did the Bears keep trusting Grossman? Jason Campbell in round 1?

I can't scream down Jerry Jones for mistakes every team and GM make.

Contrary to a public perception bolstered by horrible facial expressions of pure wonder and bumbling Press Conferences Wade Phillips is a good football man. Wade doesn't sign off on Jerry's decisions. Jerry signs off on Wade's. Of course he also signed off on Campo's when he was at the helm.

He ain't perfect. No GM is. He's what we got and right now there's a pretty good job being done. Could it be a better job? IMO, yes. But I won't join a witch hunt when it is clearly wrong.

Hos,

I was at a preseason game in Houston during Henson's first year with the Cowboys. He came in and looked fluid, looked comfortable, looked in charge, and moved the team. He made a couple of mistakes that game, but I was very encouraged.

The guy who finished here was a shell of that guy. Whatever happened to him, maybe as you say a lack of mental toughness, but whatever it was, he wasn't the same guy.

 

[Hostile]

Hos,

I was at a preseason game in Houston during Henson's first year with the Cowboys. He came in and looked fluid, looked comfortable, looked in charge, and moved the team. He made a couple of mistakes that game, but I was very encouraged.

The guy who finished here was a shell of that guy. Whatever happened to him, maybe as you say a lack of mental toughness, but whatever it was, he wasn't the same guy.

Yeah, I have heard the same from someone I trust very much.

 

[newlander]

You guys hit the nail on the head Re. Henson: head case. Went to school here in Michigan and that was VERY much the scuttlebutt: too bad, heckuva talent, but 10 cent mind won't cut it....why do you think he quit baseball so quick? You have to have tremendous mental fortitude to cut it in that sport too: he took the money and bailed early. Nice guy, great talent, 10 cent head: sports world is littered with them.

 

[cowboyed]

Hey I liked the potential of Henson too and even Chad Hutchinson. And they struggled similarily. Hutchinson had a beautiful arm and he was a gutty player who also had to work behind a horrific Oline.

That stated NFL defenses bewildered him especially once they learned him. It seems these quarterbacks not only lack the experience but perhaps do not have an agile enough mind to contend with the pressure and the defensive variables. You have to have the right temperament to perform clear headedly at the quarterback position.

Parcells once stated that it takes more to quarterback than heave the ball.

 

[cowboyed]

That's why it cracks me up when I get called a homer by the CRAP guys. I simply don't buy their superstitions and they can't take it so they go from zero to hyperbole in 4.58 seconds.

Hostile, they whine at 90 words per minute with gusts up to 180.