Confused with Jerry jones' Actions

[Hostile]

No playoff wins since the mid 1990s. This ranks him as one of the three worst GMs in the league. Its not a crime to tell the truth and admit Jerry Jones is a terrible GM as he is the only constant over the last 13 years.

He isn't the only constant. Haven't you heard the other superstitions?

The Strength and Conditioning Coach?

Rowdy?

The Salvation Army as the charity of choice for the Cowboys?

All arrived the same year as the futility. We need a rabbit's foot holding a 4 leaf clover in a horseshoe to break the curse.

 

[chuffly]

I could see the Rowdy one, he defeats me.

 

[EPL0c0]

The way I see it, Dallas has 3 good, but unique RBs. I think Barber works best when he can just a good number of carries in bunches. I just don't see Garrett doing that early in a game. So, he might work better later in a game.

I don't think we've seen enough of Jones/Choice to really evaulate where they go but #1/#2 either way works IMO. It's not like the run game has been burning it up lately anyway...why not try somethng different.

Ultimately, again, I think they are 3 unique runners and you just can't pop any into the same scheme and expect the same/better results (maybe I'm wrong). Dallas needs to use each of their strengths better. This probably means more game planning/schemes which I don't see happening

 

[Zaxor]

Why fight it? Let them have their delusions. The team, coaches, and management can explain this until Gabriel blows his horn and it won't register.

Bingo...give the man his prize. I am now a firm believer in Dbair's theory that we have the largest collection of the stupidest fans that has ever existed on the face of this or any other planet.

 

[CalCBFan]

A. When did Jerry hold a press conference?

B. If you had a brain you would realize all this stuff jerry talks about, the personnell changes and what they are doing, he is basically just talking about what he was told in meetings by the staff. I guarantee you the offensive staff and wade were talking about the possibility of barber going back to the closer then jerry just repeated it.

the notion that he is the one dictating personnell changes is pretty crazy.

If you listened to Dcfanatic's show last night w/ Bob Sturm and brian Broaddus, you would know that both of them think Jerry IS telling Wade who to start, who to play, that Wade has no power to bench a player for poor performance, nor the power to perform a myriad of other duties the HC should be able to do. Wade himslef said last year he asked Jerry if they could increase the fine for mistakes above the current $100 and Jerry said "No". The only thing that hasn't changed all these years is Jerry. Players have come and gone as have coaches, but good old Owner/President/GM (and IMHO HC) Jerry hasn't changed a bit...

 

[Beast_from_East]

No playoff wins since the mid 1990s. This ranks him as one of the three worst GMs in the league. Its not a crime to tell the truth and admit Jerry Jones is a terrible GM as he is the only constant over the last 13 years.

The last time I checked, it is the job of the GM to aquire talent for the team. The GM does not coach and the GM is not responsible for wins or losses of the team. The sole responsibility of the GM is player personnel.....meaning draft, free agency, trades, ect.....

If your team has little to no talent.....GM's fault.

If your team is loaded with talent.....GM doing a hell of a job.


Last time I checked, it is universally considered around the league that Dallas has one of the most talented rosters in the league. That is why Dallas is considered one of the biggest underacheivers in the league. They are a team loaded with talent that cant win a playoff game for some reason.



So please explain again how this is the GM's fault???

 

[silverbear]

Bottom line, if jerry wants something wade will do it...


So I ask, why make these public statements about players, their roles, etc.?

If you want Barber to close. Tell wade that is what you want. Why must this man hold press conferences to say he "questions" how he is being used?

Is it so when a change is made people can say, "wow, thanks to jerry..."

I don't get it.

It's really not that complicated-- Jerry loves the limelight... he'll never be one to operate behind the scenes...

And Wade doesn't seem to mind that, so maybe this relationship is not as dysfunctional as most think... which of course means that Jerry may be more comfortable with Wade as head coach than most of us are...

 

[Hostile]

The last time I checked, it is the job of the GM to aquire talent for the team. The GM does not coach and the GM is not responsible for wins or losses of the team. The sole responsibility of the GM is player personnel.....meaning draft, free agency, trades, ect.....

If your team has little to no talent.....GM's fault.

If your team is loaded with talent.....GM doing a hell of a job.


Last time I checked, it is universally considered around the league that Dallas has one of the most talented rosters in the league. That is why Dallas is considered one of the biggest underacheivers in the league. They are a team loaded with talent that cant win a playoff game for some reason.



So please explain again how this is the GM's fault???

Beast, don't expect an honest answer for this very pertinent question.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't know how I feel about Jerry Jones.

Out of curiosity, is there any GM in the NFL that has still retained his job despite his team not winning a Playoff Game since 1996?

 

[Dough Boy]

I don't know how I feel about Jerry Jones.

Out of curiosity, is there any GM in the NFL that has still retained his job despite his team not winning a Playoff Game since 1996?

Not the GM job to win games. Thats the Head Coaches job. GM's main job is to stock pile talent. Most around the nfl agree Dallas has one of the most talented rosters in the leauge.

 

[rcaldw]

Beast, don't expect an honest answer for this very pertinent question.

I'm not involved in this argument and have no desire to be, but I think there is a legitimate answer to that question. And that is, GM's are not giving post game locker room speeches. GM's are not usually commenting on playing time questions and the like.

The biggest problem with Jerry Jones is that he keeps his hands in EVERYTHING.

So it isn't as simple as saying, "well the roster looks good right now", because I don't know of another GM in the NFL, unless you are going to call Dan Snyder and Al Davis the GM's of their team, who has the power to disrupt his team in so many other ways as Jerry Jones does.

 

[Vtwin]

The last time I checked, it is the job of the GM to aquire talent for the team. The GM does not coach and the GM is not responsible for wins or losses of the team. The sole responsibility of the GM is player personnel.....meaning draft, free agency, trades, ect.....

If your team has little to no talent.....GM's fault.

If your team is loaded with talent.....GM doing a hell of a job.


Last time I checked, it is universally considered around the league that Dallas has one of the most talented rosters in the league. That is why Dallas is considered one of the biggest underacheivers in the league. They are a team loaded with talent that cant win a playoff game for some reason.



So please explain again how this is the GM's fault???

Ill take a stab at it.

Jerry ignored the naysayers for years drafting scrub after scrub. It wasn't until he swallowed his pride and hired Parcells that the team began to turn around and even got to the playoffs. He had Romo essentially dropped in his lap, although kudos to Jerry for sticking with him and letting him develop. He seems to have learned some things and recent drafts have been much better.

Where he fails though is not letting the coaches coach with the autonomy they need. I really don't think it a coincidence that a hard line guy like Parcells was followed up by a cream puff like Wade.

Kudos to Jerry for recognizing that he needed to bring a proven guy like Parcells but damn him for reverting back to his old ways.

I believe that Jerry does "influence" the coaches to too great of a degree. I believe he hand picked his coach to allow him the flexibility to do this when he wants to.

A pro football team has to run with a definite structure and chain of command. I don't get the impression that that is the case in Dallas.

That is the GM's fault.

re: Jimmy and Wade running the show on game day. I'm sure they both can/could tell their coordinators what they wanted to do but the difference is... Jimmy would have NO PROBLEM communicating his wishes. Wade... not so much. He's more likely to hem and haw and let things go until it was to late because he doesn't want to make waves and "we'll be ok" regardless.


Jerry is a super alpha type A who owns the team. He can and should be able to do whatever he wants. Like all super alpha type A's I have known though, nothing happens on their watch that they don't get their hands on at least a little. That's not always a good thing.

 

[Doomsay]

Ill take a stab at it.

Jerry ignored the naysayers for years drafting scrub after scrub. It wasn't until he swallowed his pride and hired Parcells that the team began to turn around and even got to the playoffs. He had Romo essentially dropped in his lap, although kudos to Jerry for sticking with him and letting him develop. He seems to have learned some things and recent drafts have been much better.

Where he fails though is not letting the coaches coach with the autonomy they need. I really don't think it a coincidence that a hard line guy like Parcells was followed up by a cream puff like Wade.

Kudos to Jerry for recognizing that he needed to bring a proven guy like Parcells but damn him for reverting back to his old ways.

I believe that Jerry does "influence" the coaches to too great of a degree. I believe he hand picked his coach to allow him the flexibility to do this when he wants to.

A pro football team has to run with a definite structure and chain of command. I don't get the impression that that is the case in Dallas.

That is the GM's fault.

re: Jimmy and Wade running the show on game day. I'm sure they both can/could tell their coordinators what they wanted to do but the difference is... Jimmy would have NO PROBLEM communicating his wishes. Wade... not so much. He's more likely to hem and haw and let things go until it was to late because he doesn't want to make waves and "we'll be ok" regardless.


Jerry is a super alpha type A who owns the team. He can and should be able to do whatever he wants. Like all super alpha type A's I have known though, nothing happens on their watch that they don't get their hands on at least a little. That's not always a good thing.

Yup,

GM hiring a competent coach and letting him run the football operations including the ability to choose his coordinators/coaches, discipline his players and operate with a degree of autonomy sufficient to engender respect from his players: Hell of a Job

GM/Owner that hires patsies and or undercuts their authority: Jerry, Al and perhaps Danny Boy - losers in crunch time

 

[Dodger12]

He had Romo essentially dropped in his lap, although kudos to Jerry for sticking with him and letting him develop.

I agree with everything except this part VT. If Jerry had his way, we'd still be toiling with Drew Henson, not to mention Chad Hutchinson or QC.

 

[Vtwin]

I agree with everything except this part VT. If Jerry had his way, we'd still be toiling with Drew Henson, not to mention Chad Hutchinson or QC.

You're probably right. I wanted to say something positive about Jerry though.


Going back to Romo's debut in the second half of that Giants game.... I wonder who really made that decision? I think most of us wanted to see Romo (or anyone!) replace Bledsoe well before that point yet Parcell's stuck with his guy.

It would be more then a bit ironic if Parcells was told by Jerry to put the kid in.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not involved in this argument and have no desire to be, but I think there is a legitimate answer to that question. And that is, GM's are not giving post game locker room speeches. GM's are not usually commenting on playing time questions and the like.

The biggest problem with Jerry Jones is that he keeps his hands in EVERYTHING.

So it isn't as simple as saying, "well the roster looks good right now", because I don't know of another GM in the NFL, unless you are going to call Dan Snyder and Al Davis the GM's of their team, who has the power to disrupt his team in so many other ways as Jerry Jones does.

GM Press Conferences cause losses?

I would like to see some proof of this please. I believe Jerry disrupts the fans, not the team.

 

[Hostile]

I agree with everything except this part VT. If Jerry had his way, we'd still be toiling with Drew Henson, not to mention Chad Hutchinson or QC.

If this was true those guys would still be here. They aren't. He's ultimately the guy who pulls the trigger to waive someone. He took gambles with those guys and they did not pay off. He backed his staff and let them go. I don't think making those guys some kind of security blanket that he is hanging onto is really fair or even logical.

 

[Dodger12]

You're probably right. I wanted to say something positive about Jerry though.


Going back to Romo's debut in the second half of that Giants game.... I wonder who really made that decision? I think most of us wanted to see Romo (or anyone!) replace Bledsoe well before that point yet Parcell's stuck with his guy.

It would be more then a bit ironic if Parcells was told by Jerry to put the kid in.

Jerry's the best owner and NFL marketer in the business. He brought the Cowboys back from the brink and returned the team to glory. But he went away from the formula that worked when hired Jimmy Johnson and gave him control of the team. He got back to it with BP and then handed over the reigns to a retread and unsuccessful HC who would not block Jerry's light or overshadow him in any way. Unfortunately, saying that he's the best owner is not enough for some people who want everyone to fall on his GM alter.

Just my opinion, byt the Cowboys were 3 and 2 in the Giants game with the season very much alive. Parcells knew a change had to be made for the future of the franchise. Had Romo not worked out, then they knew that they'd have to look for a QB in the draft or pay a FA.

Again, just my opinion, but I had faith during those years that changes would be made to try and make the team better, as opposed to sticking with something and hope it changes along the way (see Folk/McBriar, Barber/Choice/F. Jones vs Julius Jones and A. Bryant). Did it rally take us this long, three quarters of the season, to realize that McBriar is not a very good holder? Is Barber healthy enough to be the lead back and take touches away from Felix and Choice? We rerely seem to wear down a defense and that's a shame with three quality backs and a huge OL. It seems that we're afraid to hurt Barber's feelings so we just keep doing what we're doing and hope that it changes on its own. I just don't see it.

 

[Dodger12]

If this was true those guys would still be here. They aren't. He's ultimately the guy who pulls the trigger to waive someone. He took gambles with those guys and they did not pay off. He backed his staff and let them go. I don't think making those guys some kind of security blanket that he is hanging onto is really fair or even logical.

Those guys stuck around longer than they had any business to. It took a brand new HC to see that Hutch and later QC wasn't the answer and we didn't play around with Henson who didn't last a full game. Heck, those 3 couldn't last in the NFL as back-ups but they were starters in Dallas. Henson couldn't even stick on a practice squad in a QB starved league but we thought he was the heir apparent to the most storied franchise in the NFL.

Again, just speaking for myself, I don't mind the gamble. I didn't even mind the 3rd round pick for Henson, who by some accounts was Jerry's guy all along. I drooled over Henson when he was in Michigan and thought about how great he'd look in a Cowboys uniform. But at some point you have to see what other teams eventually see; that he's not an NFL caliber starter. I believe if Jerry had his way, we'd have had Henson instead of Romo.

 

[Hostile]

Those guys stuck around longer than they had any business to. It took a brand new HC to see that Hutch and later QC wasn't the answer and we didn't play around with Henson who didn't last a full game. Heck, those 3 couldn't last in the NFL as back-ups but they were starters in Dallas. Henson couldn't even stick on a practice squad in a QB starved league but we thought he was the heir apparent to the most storied franchise in the NFL.

Again, just speaking for myself, I don't mind the gamble. I didn't even mind the 3rd round pick for Henson, who by some accounts was Jerry's guy all along. I drooled over Henson when he was in Michigan and thought about how great he'd look in a Cowboys uniform. But at some point you have to see what other teams eventually see; that he's not an NFL caliber starter. I believe if Jerry had his way, we'd have had Henson instead of Romo.

The thing about this is, we had those guys first. They had to see what our people saw. Every one of those guys was given a chance somewhere else. One guy who fits the we gave him a shot was Ryan Leaf and Jerry didn't keep him around long at all.

I don't mind giving guys, especially QBs, time to develop. Especially if there is some talent there. But when the time came to move on, we moved on. I don't see any evidence that Jerry was clutching at their ankles and bemoaning the decision to send them on their way.

I have no problem with a Coach or GM having high hopes for a player. Fans do, why can't they? If Jerry loved Drew Henson then so what? Parcells was visibly upset after letting Q go. Does that mean he's an idiot? I think it just makes him human.