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[craig71]

Why would Jerry need Garret if he hired Norv. Garret is a Norv diciple. Is is possible that Jerry could have had the conversation. Yes. Did he... I don't know. I'm just saying from the start, Dallas had the cart before the horse on this one. Sometimes its ok to break the rules... When you do, you need to get it right. Did we get this one right. I don't know.

Why would Jerry need Garrett if he had hired Norv? I don't think you can have to many "football minds" on staff.Besides,Norv mentoring Garrett wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world.

Without being in the loop when the hiring process was taking place it would be hard to definitively say what discussions took place.I can specualte that a conversation regarding Garrett took place and you can counter that claim.It just boils down to speculation and ones perception of the situation.


Craig

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think he's running the show, but I think he has complete autonomy to run his offense

esp considering Wade calls all the D plays

that doesn't happen under Jimmy IMO

Jimmy did not run the offense he did not run the defense yes he was the HC and he delegated those responsiblities to Norv and to Wannstead and later to Butch Davis. Jimmy had control of the players but he let his coordinator do their job he was not running rough shod over them you did the job or else like Dave Shula you were gone.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jimmy did not run the offense he did not run the defense yes he was the HC and he delegated those responsiblities to Norv and to Wannstead and later to Butch Davis. Jimmy had control of the players but he let his coordinator do their job he was not running rough shod over them you did the job or else like Dave Shula you were gone.

so he just sat there on gameday

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's why it cracks me up when I get called a homer by the CRAP guys. I simply don't buy their superstitions and they can't take it so they go from zero to hyperbole in 4.58 seconds.

I have no idea what this means

I think I missed the origination of this inside joke

 

[Doomsday101]

so he just sat there on gameday

No he was dealing with players and as HC when the critical calls had to be made it stopped with him but Jimmy put a lot of faith in these men.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No he was dealing with players and as HC when the critical calls had to be made it stopped with him but Jimmy put a lot of faith in these men.

yep, he just pat his players on the *** and sent them out there

and yelled at the refs on occasion

said to his coordinators, "I might not agree with anything you do, but it's your show"

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm confused by only one thing: Bob Sacamano's awesomeness! How does he do it post in and post out?

 

[Doomsday101]

yep, he just pat his players on the *** and sent them out there

I did not say that he pat them on the back, Read Jimmy Johnson book Jimmy delegated the responsiblity with his OC and DC.

You asked me so I'll ask you want is an assistant HC I named you 2 Joe Vitt a LB coach for NO and Dante Scarnecchia and OL coach for the Pats both who serve under OC and DC respectively but are named as Assistant HC so tell me what is an assistant HC? When it comes to Garrett it means no one has a say of what he is doing how about these others?

 

[jackrussell]

I don't get it.

We hear ya man.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I did not say that he pat them on the back, Read Jimmy Johnson book Jimmy delegated the responsiblity with his OC and DC.

You asked me so I'll ask you want is an assistant HC I named you 2 Joe Vitt a LB coach for NO and Dante Scarnecchia and OL coach for the Pats both who serve under OC and DC respectively but are named as Assistant HC so tell me what is an assistant HC? When it comes to Garrett it means no one has a say of what he is doing how about these others?

their nominal responsibilities are position coaches

big difference between a person who runs a whole side of a football operation with the title of Asst. HC

 

[Doomsday101]

their nominal responsibilities are position coaches

big difference between a person who runs a whole side of a football operation with the title of Asst. HC

Garrett assistant HC lable does not make him equal or CO HC that is flat out stupid.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Garrett assistant HC lable does not make him equal or CO HC that is flat out stupid.

again, not saying that

just he has complete autonomy to run his O, which wouldn't happen under a coach like Jimmy or Parcells

even w/o the title, I think Garrett still has that autonomy

 

[Doomsday101]

again, not saying that

just he has complete autonomy to run his O, which wouldn't happen under a coach like Jimmy or Parcells

Well we will just have to disagree. No hard feelings, enjoyed the debate

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well we will just have to disagree. No hard feelings, enjoyed the debate

the feeling is mutual

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm confused by only one thing: Bob Sacamano's awesomeness! How does he do it post in and post out?

ah, man, I just stay consistent

you know, just keep on keepin' on

 

[rcaldw]

I think you all ought to feel better as you all seem to pretty much agree in this thread

Jerry is a REAL GM, not a bad one, but a good one, who happens to get better in about 10 year cycles, after he hires real head coaches. For some reason though, those dang rosters seem to get worse a few years after those coaches leave. (Ok, I admit that after the first part, I added that, I don't think you guys agreed on the rest)

Anyway. He is also just talking when he says he has his own ideas about how a player ought to be used. He is just overhearing the coaches talk and making us all think he is in on it. And this is all surmised from the same guys on the board who always take our views and attack them with "no one knows what goes on at Valley Ranch but the coaches and players." So, how do you know that Jerry is just parroting the coaches?

And man, some of you really have the ability to fire up the CRAPPERS, because you are so much about reality and they are so much into superstitions. :laugh2: (I think that is the first time I ever used that little icon) (just wait...1...2....3...4...point 58)

Lets see, what else. The roster is Super Bowl quality and Wade is the problem, but we don't have consensus yet on whether Wade can overrule Jason on play calls. Some say yes and some say no. The very fact that Cowboys fans debate such a thing is no reflection, of course, on the way the owner/gm/head scout/sock and jock/head pr/stadium construction guy runs things. But of course, if we mention that it is because we are a Jerry hater, or delusional.

I think that about does it.

Honestly I'm just having fun with you guys and being an instigator. Truth is, I agree with the person who said that either Jerry improved a bit (which I don't believe), or he has hired some better people (which I do believe), because I think he has done a good job the past few years from a roster point of view. Who knows maybe he learned a thing or two from Parcells?

I still wish his son Stephen was in charge though. Love Jerry as an owner, if he could just be an owner, which will not happen.

Go Cowboys against the Chargers!

 

[Dodger12]

If you think Jimmy Johnson and Norv are comparable to Wade and Garret then we are in a different country and not just time zone. Jimmy ran this team with an iron fist that Wade could only dream of having. Jimmy had a strong hand in all aspects of Dallas. Even personel. To compare the two is a dis-service to Jimmy. Wade runs the D. Garret runs the O. Jimmy ran the team. Norv had free rein to call his play, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if Jimmy wanted to be more run focused he would have a strong word for Norv.

After the Packers game, Wade said, "I wish we would have ran the ball more." No way Jimmy makes that quote.

Great series of posts DB and well said on the bolded part. Too many people here devalue the importance of a good HC and that's shocking based on our history of great HC's.

That's why it cracks me up when I get called a homer by the CRAP guys. I simply don't buy their superstitions and they can't take it so they go from zero to hyperbole in 4.58 seconds.

Not speaking for anyone else, but I rooted for the Pittmans, Carvers, Storners, (Billy) Davises, QCs, Hutchs, LaFleurs, Bjornsons, Goodriches, Dixons, Bensons, (Sherman) Williams, Ekubans, Pages, Zellners, Scifrieses, Watkinses, Hegamins and Dorseys of this world among the numerous other failed draft picks of the Jerry Jones era. Now that we may have turned the talent corner, Jerry gives us a grade B head coach to run this team because he can run the HC. There's no "zero to hyperbole in 4.58 seconds." It's been 13 years of futility; I was in my 20's when we last won a playoff game and now I'm in my 40's. Quite a few fans have been patient but being in the same league as Detroit when it comes to recent playoff wins is unacceptable. Every year we continue down this path, Jerry is going to get his share of criticism and it's all well derved, IMHO.

 

[CF74]

I don't hear Gabriel's horn.

He blew it 2000 years ago...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Bottom line, if jerry wants something wade will do it...


So I ask, why make these public statements about players, their roles, etc.?

If you want Barber to close. Tell wade that is what you want. Why must this man hold press conferences to say he "questions" how he is being used?

Is it so when a change is made people can say, "wow, thanks to jerry..."

I don't get it. Especially when you coach has his leadership being questioned almost daily, why the owner, the guy who picked this "do boy", would then throw him under the bus...

Its Jerry's team, he can make statements about anything he wants to.

 

[RoadRunner]

Jerry is a REAL GM, not a bad one, but a good one, who happens to get better in about 10 year cycles, after he hires real head coaches.

No playoff wins since the mid 1990s. This ranks him as one of the three worst GMs in the league. Its not a crime to tell the truth and admit Jerry Jones is a terrible GM as he is the only constant over the last 13 years.