Conspiracty Theory - is Jerry up to old tricks?

[Nirvana]

Has he been scheming all along to land Mike Shannahan as Head Coach while still retaining Wade as Defensive Coordinator?

First he said he was going to focus on continuity and bringing back the coaching unit.

Then Shannahan shows up on the market.

Jerry then schemes how to to land him without going back on his word.

He talks with Garrett and gets him to do job interviews, letting him know he's completely fed up with all the reports he's getting that our playbook is the laughing stock of the NFL. He tells him he'll give him a chance to get promoted out of here before he lowers the boom.

Then when he gets news of Garrett's hiring in St. Louis (before it's known publicly), he quickly releases Stewart to set the table for a forced reality that there is no longer a coaching structure left with Garrett gone once that news is publicly released.

What this does is present a reality that Jerry had no choice but to revise his original plan. It's a face saver.

He can then present the situation to Wade and say he has to re-structure anyway, and that Wade has two options:
1. Be fired and best of luck finding a DC job somewhere, as that's all he'll get.
2. Be retained as DC and joined with a new Head Coach.

Wade, seeing that the move can be done with little loss of pride (since he no longer has co-ordinators and other coaches under him on offense) will accept the demotion, paving the way to hire Shannahan smoothly.



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[Beast_from_East]

I like it!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stash]

Don't know about the 'cloak and dagger' stuff, but I am beginning to think that a move for Shanahan might be made.

Sure beats the Phillips/Sherman/Campo nightmare scenario!

 

[skinsscalper]

Has he been scheming all along to land Mike Shannahan as Head Coach while still retaining Wade as Defensive Coordinator?

First he said he was going to focus on continuity and bringing back the coaching unit.

Then Shannahan shows up on the market.

Jerry then schemes how to to land him without going back on his word.

He talks with Garrett and gets him to do job interviews, letting him know he's completely fed up with all the reports he's getting that our playbook is the laughing stock of the NFL. He tells him he'll give him a chance to get promoted out of here before he lowers the boom.

Then when he gets news of Garrett's hiring in St. Louis (before it's known publicly), he quickly releases Stewart to set the table for a forced reality that there is no longer a coaching structure left with Garrett gone once that news is publicly released.

What this does is present a reality that Jerry had no choice but to revise his original plan. It's a face saver.

He can then present the situation to Wade and say he has to re-structure anyway, and that Wade has two options:
1. Be fired and best of luck finding a DC job somewhere, as that's all he'll get.
2. Be retained as DC and joined with a new Head Coach.

Wade, seeing that the move can be done with little loss of pride (since he no longer has co-ordinators and other coaches under him on offense) will accept the demotion, paving the way to hire Shannahan smoothly.



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I've said it once and I'll say it again. I don't THINK (this is just my opinion) that either Wade or Shannahan would have anything to do with that. I just don't see it. I could be wrong and we could be watching a press conference next week announcing the very thing that you propose a week from now. In the end it won't work. The media will have a field day with how Wade was castrated, How's Shanny going to deal with T.O., and on, and on, and on. This team will start tearing apart at the seams before training camp. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

[Venger]

God, if Wade takes the DC demotion he'll confirm the common impression of himself as a gutless cuckolded eunuch. Better to read the tea leaves, tell everyone at a press conference that he appreciates Jerry offering him the DC job, but that with all the changes it's best if the coaching staff gets a fresh start, top to bottom.

Only other way I see it is if whomever takes over at HC makes it VERY clear, VERY publicly, that he wants Wade as his DC, indeed TREASURES the chance to, and that it is his desire, and decision, and not Jerry's. Then, Wade can be around and not look like such a puss.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't know about the 'cloak and dagger' stuff, but I am beginning to think that a move for Shanahan might be made.

Sure beats the Phillips/Sherman/Campo nightmare scenario!

That sig made me laugh. I am with you on the clack and daggers thing.

It never made sense to me that he would make Wade take over the defense and have Reads responsibilities taken away then keep Wade. Actions speak louder than words.

I am just glad that someone is saying Garrett isn't ready yet either casue he is not.

 

[OAM]

That's my thinking almsot 2 weeks ago. Minus the "Jason we're the offensive game plan laughing stock of the league" bit. He knew Jason would get some bites especially after Cowher wanted $10 million a season and none of the other big names wanted the bottom feeder gigs. Best gig was the Bronco gig and Shanny wasn't going to touch anyting but the best. He outright said it.

 

[JWitten]

How about Dom Capers or Romeo as D cordinator with Gruden as head coach? I don't like the Rat he hasn't done crap since Elway retired. Think Gruden would be the man to handle TO and make everyone accountable.

At least you know you would have three or four young guys in competing for the qackup QB role as Gruden loves his QB's.

 

[theebs]

goofy craig miller on the ticket, said two weeks ago he thinks jerry is sitting on shanhan for after the superbowl and that garrett is getting hired elsewhere and everyone else will be cleaned out.

I dont think he had a source, just a hunch. He is a complete idiot when it comes to the nfl though, so who knows.

I dont buy shanahan here personally, and I dont want him here either.

 

[TwoDeep3]

God, if Wade takes the DC demotion he'll confirm the common impression of himself as a gutless cuckolded eunuch. Better to read the tea leaves, tell everyone at a press conference that he appreciates Jerry offering him the DC job, but that with all the changes it's best if the coaching staff gets a fresh start, top to bottom.

Only other way I see it is if whomever takes over at HC makes it VERY clear, VERY publicly, that he wants Wade as his DC, indeed TREASURES the chance to, and that it is his desire, and decision, and not Jerry's. Then, Wade can be around and not look like such a puss.

I have read this thread and this is where I take exception.

Why would he prove any of those things?

Jerry will compensate him well for his time. And most if not all of the people on all Dallas Cowboy boards would accept that demotion and subsequent salary.

He doesn't have to take a new job and inheret a new group of players and go through a couple of years before he has the right group.

He is 66-years old and he is coaching in his home state.

He doesn't have to go out on the job market again, but will probably be overpaid for staying.

From his perspective that is enough to eat the pride factor that most feel is important.

But it also negates the eunuch aspect because if you think I am ball-less, and I am making over 3 m,illion a year, think away, McDuff. I am toting my lack of manhood all the way to the bank.

 

[Venger]

Most people in executive positions don't stay and serve in a lesser position when they are told their services are no longer needed. He's being benched - if a player takes being benched happily, then that tells you all you need to know about the player.

Three million may be alot, but just because your manhood doesn't come cheap doesn't mean it isn't for sale. If you aren't wanted, get the *** out. Who is going to respect a guy who looks like a hanger-on?

It's like Indecent Proposal - you can have some guy bang your wife one night for a cool million, and giggle and tote your lack of manhood all the way to the bank, but it still emasculates you completely and destroys the integrity and respect you have in the relationship.

Your argument comes down to being well paid, Wade likes a cushy situation, at the cost of his pride. I say if that's so, it confirms everything wrong about him as head coach. If he says *** it and leaves, then it shows the pride and character I wish we'd seen more of - frankly, more pride than being Jerry's latest hand puppet.

 

[dadymat]

How about Dom Capers or Romeo as D cordinator with Gruden as head coach? I don't like the Rat he hasn't done crap since Elway retired. Think Gruden would be the man to handle TO and make everyone accountable.

At least you know you would have three or four young guys in competing for the qackup QB role as Gruden loves his QB's.

what did Elway do before Shanahan?

what has Gruden done? 1 SB with a team he didnt build and has been tearing the team apart ever since.....

Shanahan has a much better chance of handling TO than Gruden.....Shan would challenge TO ...Gruden would attack TO.....

its sad that we have to figure in who could handle a WR before wanting him as coach............

imagine that in the real world.....

No , we cant hire you at this Wal Mart...we have some troubled employees and you are to nice to handle them....

 

[newlander]

Well put Venger. (Never did like that movie for the reasons you stated BTW) Now I like the pro football version starring the aforementioned clowns running our favorite team even less! Yeeesh........

 

[Rampage]

we need to just take a chance with a young HC and see what happens. we're just wasting good careers with changing coaches and schemes every few years. especially when it's all old 60+ year old coaches who aren't gonna be coaching much longer. we need a young hungry coach. I would perfer somebody other than Garrett cause I don't think the players buy into him but he will probably be the guy. so why waste another year with Wade? Jerry has some work to do unless he is starting to like being a loser.

 

[ms9221]

Don't know about the 'cloak and dagger' stuff, but I am beginning to think that a move for Shanahan might be made.

Sure beats the Phillips/Sherman/Campo nightmare scenario!

I don't have problem Campo he is always been a very good to one the best Defense Coordinator in the NFL. But I agree with the rest.

 

[Rogah]

I would love to see Shanahan but I don't think there is any way Phillips stays on. To be demoted and still stay would be too humiliating and he would lose what little respect of the players he has.

But I'll do cartwheels if he gets rid of Phillips for Shanahan.

 

[Rounder]

Then when he gets news of Garrett's hiring in St. Louis (before it's known publicly), he quickly releases Stewart to set the table for a forced reality that there is no longer a coaching structure left with Garrett gone once that news is publicly released.
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Accept that St. Louis just hired the Giants D Cordinator.

 

[khiladi]

Has he been scheming all along to land Mike Shannahan as Head Coach while still retaining Wade as Defensive Coordinator?

First he said he was going to focus on continuity and bringing back the coaching unit.

Then Shannahan shows up on the market.

Jerry then schemes how to to land him without going back on his word.

He talks with Garrett and gets him to do job interviews, letting him know he's completely fed up with all the reports he's getting that our playbook is the laughing stock of the NFL. He tells him he'll give him a chance to get promoted out of here before he lowers the boom.

Then when he gets news of Garrett's hiring in St. Louis (before it's known publicly), he quickly releases Stewart to set the table for a forced reality that there is no longer a coaching structure left with Garrett gone once that news is publicly released.

What this does is present a reality that Jerry had no choice but to revise his original plan. It's a face saver.

He can then present the situation to Wade and say he has to re-structure anyway, and that Wade has two options:
1. Be fired and best of luck finding a DC job somewhere, as that's all he'll get.
2. Be retained as DC and joined with a new Head Coach.

Wade, seeing that the move can be done with little loss of pride (since he no longer has co-ordinators and other coaches under him on offense) will accept the demotion, paving the way to hire Shannahan smoothly.



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And where does that leave Garrett? He would have to fire him. Garrett doesn't run a West Coast, and Shanahan surely does.

 

[Nirvana]

Accept that St. Louis just hired the Giants D Cordinator.

For less money than Garrett demanded. :bang2:

Just speculation.

What I think happened:

1) The Rams were set on Garrett and thought a 4 year 12 million contract would seal the deal. Arrange flight to St. Louis.

2) Garrett's wife balks at the "pay cut" as she thought he would be getting paid more over the next few years since in the NFL salaries get structured for annual increases. Tells him she hates St. Louis and prefers the great state of Texas. Garrett, the whimp, takes her orders and balks at the contract. The Cardinals don't budge and talks stall.

3) The Cardinals offer their second choice, Spags, the same contract deal and he says hell yes.

4) Garret is sent packing back to Dallas. :bang2:

 

[Nirvana]

And where does that leave Garrett? He would have to fire him. Garrett doesn't run a West Coast, and Shanahan surely does.

Let's hope Tampa Bay hires Garrett. You never know.