Cool Romo Stat

[TwoDeep3]

I have no recollection of similar arguments in support of Quincy Carter. Mostly because the stats wouldn't support it. But if you could find a link to an example of such a thing, it'd sure be interesting to see.

Either way, there ought to be room on a message board to discuss both the good and the bad things about a team. In Dallas right now, the play of Tony Romo is a very good thing. We can talk about that without anybody getting confused and thinking it takes the place of team accomplishments. Nobody has even remotely suggested it does.

I guess it's my fault for setting up a comparison and expect you to think outside of your narrow box. The similarity is people wildly defending either of these two and getting bruised up and calking hater if someone disagrees with the premise they support.

Suffice to say I stand by my comments, and still am a fan of Romo, never feeling a need to cherry-pick stats to think he is a very good football player.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While I like how Romo attacks downfield, his extending plays also gets him killed for all the cool escapes. The OL particularly Collins needs to be on their A game in pass protection.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

While I like how Romo attacks downfield, his extending plays also gets him killed for all the cool escapes. The OL particularly Collins needs to be on their A game in pass protection.

That's also what makes Romo so hard to defend. By buying a couple extra seconds like he does; somebody is invariably going to get open. I'd hate to see this part of Romo's game go away, but if it means protecting his health, so be it.

 

[mrmojo]

Also need to ask how much longer will his body allow him to make the remarkable escapes, we all slow down with time. He will need to adjust his game eventually.

 

[Idgit]

I guess it's my fault for setting up a comparison and expect you to think outside of your narrow box. The similarity is people wildly defending either of these two and getting bruised up and calking hater if someone disagrees with the premise they support.

Suffice to say I stand by my comments, and still am a fan of Romo, never feeling a need to cherry-pick stats to think he is a very good football player.

Let me make sure I understand what you're trying to say, because honestly, it's not clear. You're *not* comparing how Carter and Romo perform on the field, but you *are* comparing the fact that people 'wildly defended' both players. Is that sort of the idea? Even though you don't bother to evidence that for Carter so we know what you're talking about, and it's crystal clear in this thread that nobody is by any even remote definition 'wildly defending' Tony Romo in what's basically and interesting isolated-statistic thread? And I'm supposed to look outside my narrow box to understand that argument and see it as convincing. Or else I'm 'getting bruised up and calking hater' with people who disagree with the premise I support. Got it. I think. Actually, I don't really care. You stand by those comments, if you really care to. Try to keep them from getting anywhere near me, if you don't mind.

Meanwhile, I'll just thank percy for what actually was an interesting tidbit in terms of how Tony plays downfield late in close games. It stands to reason, given Romo's success in those situations, but it's cool to see it highlighted compared to other very good players in the same situations. More than anything, it just grinds my gears that we don't have better defensive play to support him given how uniquely resourceful the guy can be when we need him to deliver. If he had a defense capable of competing at a high level with these last three or four seasons, Tony'd probably be a lot closer to having that ring he deserves.

 

[Idgit]

While I like how Romo attacks downfield, his extending plays also gets him killed for all the cool escapes. The OL particularly Collins needs to be on their A game in pass protection.

There are definitely times when he needs to knock it off. The spin moves are one thing, but when he roles out of the pocket and takes those last second hits where the defender is bearing down and he's waiting for a receiver to come open, he's got to fall on those balls so he's not in position to have his shoulder driven into the ground.

And our OLs need to take shots at anybody who remotely comes near Tony with a late hit on any play. Refs need to understand that games in Dallas will quickly get out of hand on both sides of the ball if they don't protect Tony the way other premier QBs sometimes get protected. And, yes, I'm referring to roughing/late hit penalties per pass attempt stats like we've seen from time to time that show Tony as one of the least-penalized targets in the league among good QBs.

 

[noshame]

You should totally do the work to show us how Romo's part of the reason we're behind in the first place. I mean, instead of wondering if it's the case and just making your 'argument' off of that assumption.

You're probably right that there's data that says Danny White was a pretty good QB, since he was a pretty good QB. But when you get down to the Moore stuff, that's where you lose me. Yes, measuring things to have a comparative basis is fun. No, it's not as fun when you measure the wrong things, measure them wrong, or simply don't know how to hold a ruler. That's essentially what you're doing here, and then declaring measuring things to be pointless.

But for people that know how to measure things and what measurements are important, the data is actually useful. At least until enough people try to confuse the data with something related but very much different to the point where the original topic of the thread is forgotten.

Romo has a career passer rating of 95.2 over the first three quarters, so there is a reason the team hasn't played up to the standard set by the passing game with Romo, but that's not it.

The positive I take from this is that you are thinking.

Think about this:

Since 2010, Romo's Total QBR in the first 12 minutes of the fourth quarter/OT is 80. That's second-best in the NFL behind Peyton Manning. However, his QBR drops to a below-average 44 in the game's final three minutes.

Most INT in 4th Quarter or OT
Score Tied or Leading by 7 or Fewer
And he's not only making these mistakes as the Cowboys attempt to rally from late deficits. Eight of Romo's fourth-quarter interceptions have come with the Cowboys tied or leading by one score - that's the most in the NFL in that span. Those give opposing teams life when Dallas should have been icing the win.

 

[Idgit]

Think about this:

Since 2010, Romo's Total QBR in the first 12 minutes of the fourth quarter/OT is 80. That's second-best in the NFL behind Peyton Manning. However, his QBR drops to a below-average 44 in the game's final three minutes.

Most INT in 4th Quarter or OT
Score Tied or Leading by 7 or Fewer
And he's not only making these mistakes as the Cowboys attempt to rally from late deficits. Eight of Romo's fourth-quarter interceptions have come with the Cowboys tied or leading by one score - that's the most in the NFL in that span. Those give opposing teams life when Dallas should have been icing the win.

You forgot to include the end of the article you forgot to quote:

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While it seems like Tony Romo is often throwing away games in the fourth quarter, he actually has fewer fourth-quarter interceptions (23) in the last eight seasons than such “clutch” quarterbacks as Drew Brees (35), Ben Roethlisberger (30) and Brett Favre (25). Dr. Romo does more than enough for the Cowboys to offset the appearances of the Romo-coaster.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/74796/the-two-faces-of-tony-romo

That data also doesn't include his 2014-2015 seasons, btw.

 

[jobberone]

A cinch they weren't Classical Korean. During those times, parts were played by young males...

Classical Chinese.

 

[noshame]

You forgot to include the end of the article you forgot to quote:



http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/74796/the-two-faces-of-tony-romo

That data also doesn't include his 2014-2015 seasons, btw.

Oh you mean just like people who cherry-pick parcel stats to make their subject appear invincible?

 

[Kevinicus]

Oh you mean just like people who cherry-pick parcel stats to make their subject appear invincible?

No, yours was an incomplete stat. "Most" is not really relevant if you don't include the rate that Romo and other quarterbacks are in these situations.

 

[Idgit]

Oh you mean just like people who cherry-pick parcel stats to make their subject appear invincible?

No. I mean you took the part of a three year old article that suited your purpose, ignored its conclusion, and tried to pass it off as your own.

That's nothing like people supporting their own arguments with measurements in order to make good logical points.

You see how those things are different, right?

 

[percyhoward]

Think about this:

Since 2010, Romo's Total QBR in the first 12 minutes of the fourth quarter/OT is 80. That's second-best in the NFL behind Peyton Manning. However, his QBR drops to a below-average 44 in the game's final three minutes.

Most INT in 4th Quarter or OT
Score Tied or Leading by 7 or Fewer
And he's not only making these mistakes as the Cowboys attempt to rally from late deficits. Eight of Romo's fourth-quarter interceptions have come with the Cowboys tied or leading by one score - that's the most in the NFL in that span. Those give opposing teams life when Dallas should have been icing the win.

Two perfect examples of how you can make a player look bad by leaving out information. Your "last 3 minutes" stat completely depends on that number being 3 minutes. If it's 4 or 2, or any other 4th-qtr interval, the rating is much higher.

Your "most INT" stat simply looks at one aspect of passing and ignores the others. Tell us how many TD he had, for example. There is a reason Romo has been the highest-rated passer late in close games over the last couple of decades.

If you can't find anything to contradict that statement, maybe you need to make some adjustments to your thinking. Try to keep an open mind.

 

[percyhoward]

Oh you mean just like people who cherry-pick parcel stats to make their subject appear invincible?

Not everyone with internet access is a fan of this team. If Romo weren't the best in Late & Close, don't you think that would have been brought to light by now?

Also, "cherry-picking" means leaving out important information that's relevant to the situations you're analyzing. If you're going to accuse me of this, shouldn't you be able to show what I'm supposedly leaving out?

 

[dogunwo]

Not everyone with internet access is a fan of this team. If Romo weren't the best in Late & Close, don't you think that would have been brought to light by now?

Also, "cherry-picking" means leaving out important information that's relevant to the situations you're analyzing. If you're going to accuse me of this, shouldn't you be able to show what I'm supposedly leaving out?

Percy do you have any insight to why Romo's numbers are worse in the 1st quarter.

 

[percyhoward]

Percy do you have any insight to why Romo's numbers are worse in the 1st quarter.

He himself has commented that it takes a couple of series to figure out what the defense is doing. For me, the question remains What do these other QB know about opposing defenses going into the game that Romo doesn't know, and why? What gives them this advantage over him?

If they're simply smarter than he is, why doesn't their supposed edge in intelligence last past the first quarter?

Maybe the answer lies in the week of preparation leading up to that first quarter. Maybe our offense isn't as prepared as those other offenses.

 

[DFWJC]

He himself has commented that it takes a couple of series to figure out what the defense is doing. For me, the question remains What do these other QB know about opposing defenses going into the game that Romo doesn't know, and why? What gives them this advantage over him?

If they're simply smarter than he is, why doesn't their supposed edge in intelligence last past the first quarter?

Maybe the answer lies in the week of preparation leading up to that first quarter. Maybe our offense isn't as prepared as those other offenses.

Certainly they are not smarter.
My guess is that he stays closer to the script early on, and (as you eluded to in the last sentence), that script may not be as good as it should be.

 

[percyhoward]

I guess it's my fault for setting up a comparison and expect you to think outside of your narrow box. The similarity is people wildly defending either of these two and getting bruised up and calking hater if someone disagrees with the premise they support.

Suffice to say I stand by my comments, and still am a fan of Romo, never feeling a need to cherry-pick stats to think he is a very good football player.

Your accusation may actually have nothing to do with the way the information has been presented in this thread, and everything to do with the amount of understanding that you bring to the subject matter that's being covered.

 

[CCBoy]

Your accusation may actually have nothing to do with the way the information has been presented in this thread, and everything to do with the amount of understanding that you bring to the subject matter that's being covered.

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[TX Cowboy]

Or....bear with me here. Or, you could take this single thread in a long offseason of threads about a whole bunch of different topics, and take it for what it is: a thread about how effective Romo is in the 4th quarter of close games with the downfield passing game where absolutely nobody is pretending amounts to any more wins or any silver linings beyond the wins the team actually has earned.

That, or you could pretend this is somehow a thread about team accomplishments, even though it's clearly not, and attempt to drive it off topic continuously with an argument that has almost nothing whatsoever to do with the OP in the first place. Because, you know, there aren't enough threads to post in about how the *team* doesn't win enough games. You have to try to make this thread about that, too. Good stuff.

Spin this anyway you want but I didn't fall off the turnip truck 10 seconds ago
I get this is a media argument, they took 1 stat hyped it and now everyone is
jumping for joy they found their silver lining in mediocrities dark looming cloud

not me, If that stat is to have any meaning Romo had better come up with a
way to rally himself and his team into championship glory, Or he's just going
to be another player who wore the uniform that simple...