Cool Romo Stat

[arglebargle]

Exactly my point less is more...I don't believe that 1 stat outshines
7 QB's who went on to be super bowl champions and mvps of that
game. If anything I am envious that we're not anywhere near to
close to what the Ravens, Saints, Giants, Bronco's and Steelers
have as far an entire team of talented players capable of not
padding the stats in order to be relevant

less is more

In the absence of a stellar performance by someone else on a SB winning team, the QB always wins the award. Face of the team/NFL bias.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Sadly, for some of the Romo haters out there, stats don't matter. The only thing that matters is playoff wins or SB rings.

Why does cherry-picking stats to prove Romo is elite, because he can't point to play-off success, make you a non-hater and someone who debunks this as a hater?

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's kind of nice reading these Romo threads and knowing the only posters who are going to criticize are the ones who can't or won't distinguish the play of an individual from the play of an entire team. Everybody else either just gets it or has nothing to harp on because Romo is really really good.

It wasn't always this way, but it really pretty much always should have been.

These are similar arguments that were conducted about Quincy Carter. Now I am not comparing results - although you and others will latch onto that straw man argument. I am speaking about the justifications of results. Although Carter was simply a woeful quarterback, and Romo is pretty solid. But the machinations are identical in how the arguments were concocted in regard to Quincy.

And even now there are those who suggest if Quincy had a defense....

A shocking myopia if there ever was one.

The fact is the team is still mired in the same morass that it has been for a very long time. All these stats about Romo are cherry-picked, and the exact type of comments I'd expect from the "everyone is a winner, lets give a trophy to the last place team" type of argument.

But then "you get it," as you said. As so many argue.

And what do you get?

That the team has a really nice player that puts up huge stats in the 4th quarter when they are behind?

Yet someone else responded.to my original comment about winning in a way that didn't reflect his bruised feelings because I see this as a team sport.. And if his stats were accurate, the team went 22-27.

4th quarter, team behind, throwing a great number of passes in what amounts to a prevent defense, proves what?

The real question is why can Tom Brady, without a super-star running back and wide receiver, win championships, and Romo cannot?

Now complete the trifecta and tell me it is the defense and we can be done here.

I appreciate Romo for what he is and can accomplish. But I also see a season where he didn't have to be the bell cow in 2014 and a balanced team won. They moved on in the play-offs, and at least showed some grit.

But the real sad thing is, these excuses of stats will be here about this player years and years after he retires, with the same people claiming they get it, and the same stats posted.

And not one thing will change about this team or the results because of these stats.

Winners celebrate championships, losers argue stats.

 

[noshame]

I wonder if you pulled those stats on the other three quarters what you'd find? Maybe Romo's part of the reason we're behind in the first place, no no it couldn't be

I bet there's some amazing stuff out there on Danny White also. Oh here's one how many playoff games did he win, how about Roger or Troy?
In his first start moore completed 69% of his passes average nine yards per attempt and had a quarterback rating over 100 so who needs Romo right? Gosh stats are fun

 

[Idgit]

These are similar arguments that were conducted about Quincy Carter. Now I am not comparing results - although you and others will latch onto that straw man argument. I am speaking about the justifications of results. Although Carter was simply a woeful quarterback, and Romo is pretty solid. But the machinations are identical in how the arguments were concocted in regard to Quincy.

And even now there are those who suggest if Quincy had a defense....

A shocking myopia if there ever was one.

The fact is the team is still mired in the same morass that it has been for a very long time. All these stats about Romo are cherry-picked, and the exact type of comments I'd expect from the "everyone is a winner, lets give a trophy to the last place team" type of argument.

But then "you get it," as you said. As so many argue.

And what do you get?

That the team has a really nice player that puts up huge stats in the 4th quarter when they are behind?

Yet someone else responded.to my original comment about winning in a way that didn't reflect his bruised feelings because I see this as a team sport.. And if his stats were accurate, the team went 22-27.

4th quarter, team behind, throwing a great number of passes in what amounts to a prevent defense, proves what?

The real question is why can Tom Brady, without a super-star running back and wide receiver, win championships, and Romo cannot?

Now complete the trifecta and tell me it is the defense and we can be done here.

I appreciate Romo for what he is and can accomplish. But I also see a season where he didn't have to be the bell cow in 2014 and a balanced team won. They moved on in the play-offs, and at least showed some grit.

But the real sad thing is, these excuses of stats will be here about this player years and years after he retires, with the same people claiming they get it, and the same stats posted.

And not one thing will change about this team or the results because of these stats.

Winners celebrate championships, losers argue stats.

I have no recollection of similar arguments in support of Quincy Carter. Mostly because the stats wouldn't support it. But if you could find a link to an example of such a thing, it'd sure be interesting to see.

Either way, there ought to be room on a message board to discuss both the good and the bad things about a team. In Dallas right now, the play of Tony Romo is a very good thing. We can talk about that without anybody getting confused and thinking it takes the place of team accomplishments. Nobody has even remotely suggested it does.

 

[CCBoy]

In the absence of a stellar performance by someone else on a SB winning team, the QB always wins the award. Face of the team/NFL bias.

Forged in fire, ayeeah!

 

[CCBoy]

I have no recollection of similar arguments in support of Quincy Carter. Mostly because the stats wouldn't support it. But if you could find a link to an example of such a thing, it'd sure be interesting to see.

Either way, there ought to be room on a message board to discuss both the good and the bad things about a team. In Dallas right now, the play of Tony Romo is a very good thing. We can talk about that without anybody getting confused and thinking it takes the place of team accomplishments. Nobody has even remotely suggested it does.

Two of the past four seasons definitely prove that out...

 

[CCBoy]

These are similar arguments that were conducted about Quincy Carter. Now I am not comparing results - although you and others will latch onto that straw man argument. I am speaking about the justifications of results. Although Carter was simply a woeful quarterback, and Romo is pretty solid. But the machinations are identical in how the arguments were concocted in regard to Quincy.

And even now there are those who suggest if Quincy had a defense....

A shocking myopia if there ever was one.

The fact is the team is still mired in the same morass that it has been for a very long time. All these stats about Romo are cherry-picked, and the exact type of comments I'd expect from the "everyone is a winner, lets give a trophy to the last place team" type of argument.

But then "you get it," as you said. As so many argue.

And what do you get?

That the team has a really nice player that puts up huge stats in the 4th quarter when they are behind?

Yet someone else responded.to my original comment about winning in a way that didn't reflect his bruised feelings because I see this as a team sport.. And if his stats were accurate, the team went 22-27.

4th quarter, team behind, throwing a great number of passes in what amounts to a prevent defense, proves what?

The real question is why can Tom Brady, without a super-star running back and wide receiver, win championships, and Romo cannot?

Now complete the trifecta and tell me it is the defense and we can be done here.

I appreciate Romo for what he is and can accomplish. But I also see a season where he didn't have to be the bell cow in 2014 and a balanced team won. They moved on in the play-offs, and at least showed some grit.

But the real sad thing is, these excuses of stats will be here about this player years and years after he retires, with the same people claiming they get it, and the same stats posted.

And not one thing will change about this team or the results because of these stats.

Winners celebrate championships, losers argue stats.

One might suggest that Brady and Rogers are the two top quarterbacks in the NFL at present...but not scratch the abilities of Tony Romo to lead his own team to success as well.

 

[Idgit]

Two of the past four seasons definitely prove that out...

In this case, the cool stat definitely mirrors what we see from Tony on the field. He's such a good player, and so much fun to watch in those game-ending clutch situations.

 

[Kevinicus]

Exactly my point less is more...I don't believe that 1 stat outshines
7 QB's who went on to be super bowl champions and mvps of that
game. If anything I am envious that we're not anywhere near to
close to what the Ravens, Saints, Giants, Bronco's and Steelers
have as far an entire team of talented players capable of not
padding the stats in order to be relevant

less is more

Like I said...someone doesn't get it.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I know we lost that game, but man was that one exciting.

 

[Idgit]

I wonder if you pulled those stats on the other three quarters what you'd find? Maybe Romo's part of the reason we're behind in the first place, no no it couldn't be

I bet there's some amazing stuff out there on Danny White also. Oh here's one how many playoff games did he win, how about Roger or Troy?
In his first start moore completed 69% of his passes average nine yards per attempt and had a quarterback rating over 100 so who needs Romo right? Gosh stats are fun

You should totally do the work to show us how Romo's part of the reason we're behind in the first place. I mean, instead of wondering if it's the case and just making your 'argument' off of that assumption.

You're probably right that there's data that says Danny White was a pretty good QB, since he was a pretty good QB. But when you get down to the Moore stuff, that's where you lose me. Yes, measuring things to have a comparative basis is fun. No, it's not as fun when you measure the wrong things, measure them wrong, or simply don't know how to hold a ruler. That's essentially what you're doing here, and then declaring measuring things to be pointless.

But for people that know how to measure things and what measurements are important, the data is actually useful. At least until enough people try to confuse the data with something related but very much different to the point where the original topic of the thread is forgotten.

 

[TX Cowboy]

Like I said...someone doesn't get it.

I get it just fine, we as fans shouldn't fret over losing and look for silver linings
rather than sulk and harp on the negatives all the time...Lombardi had it right
you can't accept losing, you can't win,

In the absence of a stellar performance by someone else on a SB winning team, the QB always wins the award. Face of the team/NFL bias.

Agreed the most recognizable face on the team is the one most attributed to the winning of
the MVP award be it just for the season, the super bowl or both...

 

[Idgit]

I get it just fine, we as fans shouldn't fret over losing and look for silver linings
rather than sulk and harp on the negatives all the time...Lombardi had it right
you can't accept losing, you can't win,




Agreed the most recognizable face on the team is the one most attributed to the winning of
the MVP award be it just for the season, the super bowl or both...

Or....bear with me here. Or, you could take this single thread in a long offseason of threads about a whole bunch of different topics, and take it for what it is: a thread about how effective Romo is in the 4th quarter of close games with the downfield passing game where absolutely nobody is pretending amounts to any more wins or any silver linings beyond the wins the team actually has earned.

That, or you could pretend this is somehow a thread about team accomplishments, even though it's clearly not, and attempt to drive it off topic continuously with an argument that has almost nothing whatsoever to do with the OP in the first place. Because, you know, there aren't enough threads to post in about how the *team* doesn't win enough games. You have to try to make this thread about that, too. Good stuff.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I didn't realize there was really an argument to be had any longer on this subject. It's been proven over and over again that he's clutch. Anyone still holding onto some misguided idea that he was terrible in crunch time are people who just hate him period. That or they simply do not understand football.

Those are the types of folks you simply ignore in the first place. They're not worth wasting time on.

 

[percyhoward]

How many of those games did they win? This is always the more significant and cooler stat for me.

To understand our W-L records over the last few years, you wouldn't have to go much further than passer rating differential.

This wasn't intended to be an analysis of the team as a whole, but of certain situations involving the passing game with Romo at QB. Hence the title.

 

[percyhoward]

Wow we're really going to throw super bowl champion quarterbacks under the bus for someone
who can't get past the 1st rd of the playoffs, Just because of 1 stat that doesn't mean a damn thing to anyone?

Don't shoot the messenger. This is just a record of the plays on the field.

 

[Vero_F250]

4th qtr or OT, tied or trailing by no more than 8 points, pass thrown at least 15 yards in the air.

There are 13 passers with at least 80 such attempts in that situation.

Romo 48 of 98 1483 yd 10 td 3 int 116.2 (91.4)
PManning 39 of 96 1184 yd 8 td 3 int 102.1 (95.6)
Rodgers 35 of 81 1076 yd 7 td 4 int 98.4 (93.1)
Brees 47 of 100 1387 yd 9 td 7 int 94.2 (92.4)
EManning 54 of 131 1650 yd 12 td 10 int 87.2 (92.3)
Palmer 45 of 101 1213 yd 7 td 9 int 75.2 (91.7)
Roethlsbrgr 53 of 120 1313 yd 6 td 8 int 73.4 (95.1)
Flacco 43 of 116 1135 yd 8 td 8 int 68.0 (77.4)
Cutler 39 of 103 1112 yd 6 td 8 int 65.7 (95.7)
Ryan 43 of 106 1106 yd 4 td 7 int 64.4 (81.8)
Stafford 36 of 95 1015 yd 2 td 6 int 58.9 (90.7)
Brady 37 of 109 1049 yd 6 td 8 int 58.2 (91.1)
Rivers 45 of 125 1090 yd 5 td 14 int 42.2 (88.6)

In case you were wondering, the number in parentheses is the player's rating on the shorter throws.

Should say 49 of 98 1514 yards. Dez caught it. Lol.

 

[Kevinicus]

I get it just fine, we as fans shouldn't fret over losing and look for silver linings
rather than sulk and harp on the negatives all the time...Lombardi had it right
you can't accept losing, you can't win,




Agreed the most recognizable face on the team is the one most attributed to the winning of
the MVP award be it just for the season, the super bowl or both...

See Idgit's post.

 

[Kevinicus]

Should say 49 of 98 1514 yards. Dez caught it. Lol.

I don't think Post season is included.