Cooper Rush is running a different offense so I’ve heard

[RonnieT24]

Are people still not realizing that Dak audibling at the line is an issue?

It may be AN issue but I doubt it's THE issue. This team breaks the huddle in empty backfield and shotgun way too much for that to be on Dak.. That's what's being sent in from the sideline. Since Rush has been inserted in the lineup we're under center. Dak was under center on 4 of his 29 pass attempts in game one.. Rush has been under center 22 of 75. What those numbers tell me is that Moore is calling a far more conservative and run oriented attack now with Rush.. It's the attack we have all been screaming for .. If he continues to use it when Dak returns this team is set up for a deep playoff run.. because Dak is still that guy who can go off for 400 yards and 4 TDs if a defense spends too much resources on the run.. Rush's yards per attempt is 6.8.. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how anemic that is.. That would match the lowest of Dak's career, 2017.. And we all remember the "dink and Dak" complaints from back then.. Now all of a sudden that ABD is doing it, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Go figure.

 

[RonnieT24]

JG was also bad about going passpasspass, and did so until we sorta fell into Murray rushing for 1,800.

Yes he was... and Jerry got sick of it and made him hand over pay calling to Callahan and then Lenahan.. That's when we got back to running the ball.. Then we elevated Moore and it's been the Mountain West ever since.. except that 4 game stretch last season.. or when we are up 30 on some crap team.

 

[RonnieT24]

That doesn’t mean they have changed anything. That could just mean Rush doesn’t audible to a pass as much as Dak does.

Rush has lined up under center 5 times as often as Dak did in game 1. I think it's foolish to ignore that and claim they have not changed how they are calling plays now.

 

[khiladi]

You don't change offenses just because a backup is playing, you change the play calling. The plays have to suit the QB that's running them. But with Rush being in our system so long, the only thing they probably changed was the option routes. No one wants a QB with limited playing time to be out their trying to read option routes. So the offensive play calling has gone from a Air Coryell style to a West Coast style. But it's still all one playbook, with the same terminology. Play calling might have changed but the offense hasn't.

Aggression at the line of scrimmage is not the same as aggression down field. That just means Rush can make all the audibles if needed. Wether it be sliding protection to one side or keeping a guy in. Changing from a pass to a run or vise versa is still allowed with Rush. If he sees one on one coverage with a single high look, he can call an audible and have a WR run the go route. So, aggression at the line of scrimmage, just tells me that Rush has the same amount of freedoms that Dak had.

That seems like a lot of spinning. There are two things mentioned here:

1. Rush has the same set of options as Dak, meaning run-pass options.

2. The reporter than asks is it just as aggressive an offense then at the like as in regards to attacking the defense.

Coach says yes, pretty much not different.

I mean the fact you trying to go from Air Coryell to saying West Coast, while at the same time saying they didn’t change the offense is also a pretty interesting take.

 

[fivetwos]

Lots of good posts in this thread.

I add it all up as proof that trying to win on Prescott’s arm isn’t going to work.

If they insist on using him incorrectly, we will see more of the same in the end.

 

[khiladi]

Some of yall are dense. No one suggested we scrapped the offense. It's being called differently.

We are running 12 personnel and max protection as well as running the damn ball.

Wrong, we were running 12 personnel last year, because Gallup got hurt. We were And Moore said it was going to be more of a feature of the offense anyways before last season started, meaning it had zero to do with Dak.

Jarwin also got hurt, the same game Rush came into the game against the Vikings.

The Dallas Cowboys have been using 12 personnel more and more and 2022 will likely bring the most two TE sets we’ve seen.

First, let’s look at the trend: According to Sharp Football Stats, Kellen ran 12 personnel 196 times in 2019 (18%). In 2020 that number went up to 221 snaps (21%). Last year the usage grew once again, moving up to 290 snaps (24%).

If Kellen rolls out 12 personnel on early downs he’s going to make defenses think twice about going light in the box with their nickel. Kellen will have the ability to play his TEs tight or push them out into the slot. He dictates the density in some ways.

The trend was going up irrespective and it was expected to continue to go up with Dak.

The problem last year was teams just decided they ain’t going to bother with “Air” Dak and show run, but drop into zone.

https://sportdfw.com/2022/07/12/dallas-cowboys-expect-12-personnel/

 

[kskboys]

Lots of good posts in this thread.

I add it all up as proof that trying to win on Prescott’s arm isn’t going to work.

If they insist on using him incorrectly, we will see more of the same in the end.

Excellent summation.

Whoever's making this a passpasspass type of O, FRICKIN' QUIT. It doesn't work, it's not working, and it never will work.

And by all that's holy get KMo an advisor who knows how to RUN THE FRICKIN' BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fivetwos]

With the emergence of the "new" Smith and Peters working in to the team, our identity can get back to run first and we'll be a handful for anyone.

I liked the Zeke and Pollard split against NY, keep that up.

A 2016 type O with a seasoned Dak - I will take that.

I’ve been begging for 2016 for years.

At this point I’m not sure if they are trying to justify the Dak contract or just think he is better than he actually is.

Probably a bit of both

 

[Ken]

Game 1 - 18 runs 42 passes (46 if you include 4 sacks)
Game 2 - 27 runs 31 passes
Game 3 - 30 runs 31 passes

It has been night and day in terms of balance. I don't know if you credit Moore or Rush but the difference is obvious. If this team wants to continue winning, it needs to continue running the ball. Either Dak or Moore is getting impatient too quickly and leaping straight to Mountain West football. This crap has to stop. To me if Moore is calling too many pass plays then it's on Dak and McCarthy to reign him in. If Dak is audibling to too many pass plays then it's up to Moore and McCarthy to reign HIM in. I don't know who it is .. and I don't really care.. but it absolutely has to stop. This defense is too good to be wasted by an offense that wants to have quick drives because they can't stop themselves from passing every down.

Think about this.. Neither the Rams nor the Bengals made it to 4 ypc in the Super Bowl.. yet both ran it more than 20 times.. The Rams ran it 23 times for 43 yards. Less than TWO YARDS PER CARRY!!! Every day people here post that "you can't get keep banging your head against a brick wall..." yet two teams in the Super Bowl were out there doing just that.

In the previous Super Bowl the Bucs ran it 33 times to 27 passes.. And I hear they had a decent passer QB.

The year before that the Chiefs ran it 29 times to only 20 for the 49ers.. who passed it 31 times despite averaging SEVEN YARDS PER CARRY on the ground. If they just keep running it and not let Garrapolo throw two picks they would have run KC off the field.

The bottom line is that good teams know they have to be balanced.. and smart OCs and QBs make sure they are.. If Dak and Moore don't figure this out I want them both gone..

I agree with this.

I will say that this change in balance shouldn't be surprising. They literally said all offseason they tried to get tougher up front to run it more and with more physicality.

I think we just got down in that first game to really pound it. Too many people made sweeping conclusions from that first game, now they are trying to say it was the QB. lol

 

[khiladi]

It’s comical to me also that people are saying that Moore didn’t want to run, when they were down 19-3 against the Bucs after the first series of the third. They ran it at least 12-14 times by then.

They ‘abandoned’ the run, because they were down.

Difference is, it was probably way too earlier for “Garbage time stats” Dak to come into play.

 

[Ken]

Are people still not realizing that Dak audibling at the line is an issue?

This fallacy is so funny.

Prove that he is.

You can't, and I can't prove that he isn't so it is a strawman.

 

[Jenky]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...s-similar-ability-to-audible-as-dak-prescott/



Not only that, they’ve been less ‘aggressive’, not trying to attack downfield.

This doesn’t fit the narrative being spewed around these parts

 

[dsturgeon]

It also looks different because Cooper plays different. He currently has the 2nd fastest release, 2nd to Brady, and he has been throwing the ball before receivers make their breaks and with anticipation. Dak does not do that as well. He keeps plays alive longer

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

That seems like a lot of spinning. There are two things mentioned here:

1. Rush has the same set of options as Dak, meaning run-pass options.

2. The reporter than asks is it just as aggressive an offense then at the like as in regards to attacking the defense.

Coach says yes, pretty much not different.

I mean the fact you trying to go from Air Coryell to saying West Coast, while at the same time saying they didn’t change the offense is also a pretty interesting take.

How is it a different offense, as you've suggested, when is bound together by one binder? The playbook didn't change, the play calling did. An offensive coordinator that doesn't incorporate both styles into his playbook is an idiot.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This fallacy is so funny.

Prove that he is.

You can't, and I can't prove that he isn't so it is a strawman.

I've posted the tweet plenty of times where Kellen said that Dak audibled out of 12 of 28 called runs in a game last year.

You think that was just a one time occurrence? An outlier? Just a 1 week type of thing?

That's straight from the coaches mouth.

I don't know what better proof is than that.

 

[Ken]

I've posted the tweet plenty of times where Kellen said that Dak audibled out of 12 of 28 called runs in a game last year.

You think that was just a one time occurrence? An outlier? Just a 1 week type of thing?

That's straight from the coaches mouth.

I don't know what better proof is than that.

OH....bc it happened in one game then it happens all the time? Got it.

BC if he is STILL doing it....then that is on Kellen, not Dak.

Also...just bc he checked out of it doesn't mean it was wrong. You guys...

 

[khiladi]

How is it a different offense, as you've suggested, when is bound together by one binder? The playbook didn't change, the play calling did. An offensive coordinator that doesn't incorporate both styles into his playbook is an idiot.

You are the one that said they went from Air Coryell, to West Coast, which is a completely different playbook.

Again, MM said it hasn’t. Rush can change the play at the line, just like Dak and the play calling is just as aggressive.

 

[kskboys]

OH....bc it happened in one game then it happens all the time? Got it.

BC if he is STILL doing it....then that is on Kellen, not Dak.

Also...just bc he checked out of it doesn't mean it was wrong. You guys...

It would be a major stretch to believe it was a one time thing.

 

[Philmonroe]

That seems like a lot of spinning. There are two things mentioned here:

1. Rush has the same set of options as Dak, meaning run-pass options.

2. The reporter than asks is it just as aggressive an offense then at the like as in regards to attacking the defense.

Coach says yes, pretty much not different.

I mean the fact you trying to go from Air Coryell to saying West Coast, while at the same time saying they didn’t change the offense is also a pretty interesting take.

Anything to not blame Kirk Cousins JR for being average as ever.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

OH....bc it happened in one game then it happens all the time? Got it.

BC if he is STILL doing it....then that is on Kellen, not Dak.

Also...just bc he checked out of it doesn't mean it was wrong. You guys...

I knew that's the road you would take

That's why I mocked it in the 2nd sentence.