Cooper Rush is running a different offense so I’ve heard

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It may be AN issue but I doubt it's THE issue. This team breaks the huddle in empty backfield and shotgun way too much for that to be on Dak.. That's what's being sent in from the sideline. Since Rush has been inserted in the lineup we're under center. Dak was under center on 4 of his 29 pass attempts in game one.. Rush has been under center 22 of 75. What those numbers tell me is that Moore is calling a far more conservative and run oriented attack now with Rush.. It's the attack we have all been screaming for .. If he continues to use it when Dak returns this team is set up for a deep playoff run.. because Dak is still that guy who can go off for 400 yards and 4 TDs if a defense spends too much resources on the run.. Rush's yards per attempt is 6.8.. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how anemic that is.. That would match the lowest of Dak's career, 2017.. And we all remember the "dink and Dak" complaints from back then.. Now all of a sudden that ABD is doing it, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Go figure.



You don't seem to realize that taking snaps from under center and dropping back is a QB "skill" and some QBs are better at it than others. Some QBs from college are seen as RAW because they never took snaps from under center and I doubt college coaches just don't like doing it the issue is some guys just don't have smooth footwork. That's why guys like Andrew Luck were highly rated in college because he was good at taking snaps under center and dropping back. Dak has toddler feet.
 

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It may be AN issue but I doubt it's THE issue. This team breaks the huddle in empty backfield and shotgun way too much for that to be on Dak.. That's what's being sent in from the sideline. Since Rush has been inserted in the lineup we're under center. Dak was under center on 4 of his 29 pass attempts in game one.. Rush has been under center 22 of 75. What those numbers tell me is that Moore is calling a far more conservative and run oriented attack now with Rush.. It's the attack we have all been screaming for .. If he continues to use it when Dak returns this team is set up for a deep playoff run.. because Dak is still that guy who can go off for 400 yards and 4 TDs if a defense spends too much resources on the run.. Rush's yards per attempt is 6.8.. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how anemic that is.. That would match the lowest of Dak's career, 2017.. And we all remember the "dink and Dak" complaints from back then.. Now all of a sudden that ABD is doing it, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Go figure.
I think the OC and QB thinks that the shotgun works better for Dak. That is where the disconnect is. Running from the shotgun works great for backs like Pollard because the get off is better, for Zeke, he needs a few steps to get up to "speed". But running from the shotgun also allows LBs to "spy" the backfield a little more and shut down runs because there is no guessing as the QB pulls away from the center. Since Dak does not do a lot from under center the PA attack is lacking especially in shotgun.
 

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You don't seem to realize that taking snaps from under center and dropping back is a QB "skill" and some QBs are better at it than others. Some QBs from college are seen as RAW because they never took snaps from under center and I doubt college coaches just don't like doing it the issue is some guys just don't have smooth footwork. That's why guys like Andrew Luck were highly rated in college because he was good at taking snaps under center and dropping back. Dak has toddler feet.

The Cowboys ran well over 20% of their plays from under center in 2016. Dak did just fine running that alignment.. which also greatly benefited Zeke's running style. They are running about 30% of plays under center since Rush took over so it has ticked up significantly. But I have a hard time calling what Rush is doing "better" than what Dak does since the offense averages about 10 points more per game with Dak at the helm over the last two seasons. Different yes.. Better? I don't think so.. But as long as we keep winning, it's good enough..
 

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It is an absolute rarity anymore.

I hate it...but this is the NFL now.

Dak-Stan’s always conflate things. While we agree 5-7 step drops are not used as much in the NFL, when we talk about Dak, he’s in the ‘mediocrity’ category, including in usage. Dak’s numbers COMBINED of 5-7 were not even in the category of a guy like Goff in 2019 on SEVEN alone.

Dak’s numbers are bottom of the barrel in respect to QBs in general. While the traditional SEVEN step drop is no longer a staple, Goff led the league with 50 7 step stops in 2019, the implication being when including BOTH 5-7 step drops, Dak was still throwing at an abysmal rate, around 1-2 a game. Wilson who was ridiculous at it, threw it 30 times off the SEVEN step drop, let alone 5. Brees threw 79 times off the FIVE step drop.

Facts are Dak’s throwing is limited even with the 1-3 step drop, let alone when you move down the chain from 3 onwards.

Facts are Dak was abysmal in terms of usage even when QBs like Goff were doing it in McVay’s system.
 
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Game 1 - 18 runs 42 passes (46 if you include 4 sacks)
Game 2 - 27 runs 31 passes
Game 3 - 30 runs 31 passes

It has been night and day in terms of balance. I don't know if you credit Moore or Rush but the difference is obvious. If this team wants to continue winning, it needs to continue running the ball. Either Dak or Moore is getting impatient too quickly and leaping straight to Mountain West football. This crap has to stop. To me if Moore is calling too many pass plays then it's on Dak and McCarthy to reign him in. If Dak is audibling to too many pass plays then it's up to Moore and McCarthy to reign HIM in. I don't know who it is .. and I don't really care.. but it absolutely has to stop. This defense is too good to be wasted by an offense that wants to have quick drives because they can't stop themselves from passing every down.

Think about this.. Neither the Rams nor the Bengals made it to 4 ypc in the Super Bowl.. yet both ran it more than 20 times.. The Rams ran it 23 times for 43 yards. Less than TWO YARDS PER CARRY!!! Every day people here post that "you can't get keep banging your head against a brick wall..." yet two teams in the Super Bowl were out there doing just that.

In the previous Super Bowl the Bucs ran it 33 times to 27 passes.. And I hear they had a decent passer QB.

The year before that the Chiefs ran it 29 times to only 20 for the 49ers.. who passed it 31 times despite averaging SEVEN YARDS PER CARRY on the ground. If they just keep running it and not let Garrapolo throw two picks they would have run KC off the field.

The bottom line is that good teams know they have to be balanced.. and smart OCs and QBs make sure they are.. If Dak and Moore don't figure this out I want them both gone..

By far your best, objective and honest post. And I've liked a few of your run game based posts as to respecting your former days as a RB perspective.
It's okay to criticize the QB if warranted.
It has been warranted.
 

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Dak-Stan’s always conflate things. While we agree 5-7 step drops are not used as much in the NFL, when we talk about Dak, he’s in the ‘mediocrity’ category, including in usage. Dak’s numbers COMBINED of 5-7 were not even in the category of a guy like Goff in 2019 on SEVEN alone.

Dak’s numbers are bottom of the barrel in respect to QBs in general. While the traditional SEVEN step drop is no longer a staple, Goff led the league with 50 7 step stops in 2019, the implication being when including BOTH 5-7 step drops, Dak is still throwing at an abysmal rate, around 1-2 a game. Wilson who was ridiculous at it, threw it 30 times off the SEVEN step drop, let alone 5. Brees threw 79 times off the FIVE step drop.

Facts are Dak’s throwing is limited even with the 1-3 step drop, let alone when you move down the chain from 3 onwards.

Facts are Dak was abysmal in terms of usage even when QBs like Goff were doing it in McVay’s system.
I saw 0 today from Rush.

Perhaps this is the offense? lol
 

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The offense hasn’t changed but the playcalling has changed, obviously. Whether it’s Dak changing plays at the LOS or Rush just sticking with it, they’re run first.
 

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With the emergence of the "new" Smith and Peters working in to the team, our identity can get back to run first and we'll be a handful for anyone.

I liked the Zeke and Pollard split against NY, keep that up.

A 2016 type O with a seasoned Dak - I will take that.
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You just made me throw up a little in my mouth
 

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You mean Rush is running Dak’s offense better than him?
If that is what you take from Rush's play so far...you know less about football than I even thought you did.
 

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The offense hasn’t changed but the playcalling has changed, obviously. Whether it’s Dak changing plays at the LOS or Rush just sticking with it, they’re run first.
When you make $40 million a year you can do whatever you like and if it doesn't work and blows up in your face . . . There is plenty of blame to spread around
 
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