Cooper Rush is running a different offense so I’ve heard

[zrinkill]

Are people still not realizing that Dak audibling at the line is an issue?

Yes its starting to look that way.

 

[Ken]

No if isn’t.. Garrett had Dallas at the bottom of play action usage in the league by the time Jerry started resting control. Stop trying to leverage Romo now for this bum. Garrett was no longer touching the offense in 2014 onwards.

k..

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/o...tics-saying-i-check-out-of-too-many-run-plays

 

[khiladi]

k..

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/o...tics-saying-i-check-out-of-too-many-run-plays

Who was arguing that Romo didn’t have RPO options? In fact, this proved the exact opposite of what you Dak jock-sniffers say, which is Jerry finally started giving more control to Romo and started wresting power away from Garrett, like I said. Behind that, he was bound by the incompetence of Garrett and wasn’t even involved by the coach in game planing meetings, which I’ve stated over and over again.

Romo's increased influence in the offensive game-planning during the week and his ability to audible out of plays has some saying Romo is checking out of too many run calls.

And Jerry also affirmed Jason wasn’t interfering even though power was given to Callahan and they went and got Linehan in 2014.

 

[Haimerej]

Wow...

Does anyone in the NFL actually do traditional 5 or 7 steps drops in the NFL?

I would love to see it if you have any evidence lol.

4:27 of that video

 

[Ken]

4:27 of that video

Wow..you had to go back to 2020 to find one go route from Aaron Rodgers.

I stand corrected. lol


I just went thru Cooper Rush's passes the past two games....not a single straight drop back. I guess he can't do it either.

 

[Haimerej]

Ya...just went thru every TD for Mahomes and Burrow from last year....not a single one met the criteria you specified. They all were from shotgun or playaction. Just like Dak's. I previously had gone through Romo's entire career and not a single one was a 5 or 7-step drop as well.

This isn't the 90s anymore. Traditional 5 and 7 steps drops don't happen. Hate to break it to you.

At least you understand the point now and won't say people are saying he doesn't take a snap from under center anymore, right?

But you should also understand that you're looking at a biased sample. Five and seven step drops are used for intermediate to deep routes. Looking only at TDs, the majority of which happen in the redzone, won't have many deep drops. It's only a fraction of their total passes.

Another point about these types of drops, and why they're relevant in discussions about Dak and this offense, is the common criticism of, "predictable." Not having them in your playbook is a limitation, I don't care who's playing or how often they're used.

 

[Haimerej]

Wow..you had to go back to 2020 to find one go route from Aaron Rodgers.

I stand corrected. lol

Like I said, small sample size.

I just went thru Cooper Rush's passes the past two games....not a single straight drop back. I guess he can't do it either.

Or it's not a part of the offense. But remember- this started because you strawmanned what we've been saying. Now you're going with, "everybody else doesn't," which also isn't true. You're looking at something like 5-7% of some of these other guys' total passes, most of which are in the redzone, and saying they don't do it- just because you didn't understand the point from the beginning.

 

[Scottishcowboy]

I’ve been begging for 2016 for years.

At this point I’m not sure if they are trying to justify the Dak contract or just think he is better than he actually is.

Probably a bit of both

I think both as well.

 

[CWR]

Wrong, we were running 12 personnel last year, because Gallup got hurt. We were And Moore said it was going to be more of a feature of the offense anyways before last season started, meaning it had zero to do with Dak.

Jarwin also got hurt, the same game Rush came into the game against the Vikings.



The trend was going up irrespective and it was expected to continue to go up with Dak.

The problem last year was teams just decided they ain’t going to bother with “Air” Dak and show run, but drop into zone.

https://sportdfw.com/2022/07/12/dallas-cowboys-expect-12-personnel/

BS we stopped 12 personnel after Jerwin was hurt. Yeah they planned to run it more this year. It's our most productive alignment. I never said otherwise.

 

[khiladi]

BS we stopped 12 personnel after Jerwin was hurt. Yeah they planned to run it more this year. It's our most productive alignment. I never said otherwise.

No, your argument was that we went to it because if Rush, as opposed to Dak, not Jarwin. Facts are it was already going up for Dak last year and the numbers substantiate it went up the WH0LE YEAR.

So you have NO EVIDENCE to substantiate the point regarding play calling differences regarding Dak to Rush.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...s-similar-ability-to-audible-as-dak-prescott/



Not only that, they’ve been less ‘aggressive’, not trying to attack downfield.

according to Mccarthy

"“We talked about this in training camp,” coach Mike McCarthy said. “We needed to run the ball better. More importantly, we needed to get more attempts at the plate. We needed to stay committed to it. I think we’ve definitely done that the last two weeks.”

"McCarthy said being balanced has been the team’s winning formula as the run game has allowed Rush to operate with clean pockets in the passing game while also chewing up the clock to keep their defense off the field and rested.

“It starts with running the football,” McCarthy said."

 

[CWR]

No, your argument was that we went to it because if Rush, as opposed to Dak, not Jarwin. Facts are it was already going up for Dak last year and the numbers substantiate it went up the WH0LE YEAR.

So you have NO EVIDENCE to substantiate the point regarding play calling differences regarding Dak to Rush.

I never said that. Dak just didn't get time to operate in it. That was the result of Jarwin getting injured.

There was literally a post on here earlier in the week with a tweet, with analysts showing the difference. I'm sure your agenda overlooked it.

 

[khiladi]

Nobody is disputing the fact they ran the ball more efficiently with a guy who knows how to play QB better than Dak…

 

[khiladi]

I never said that. Dak just didn't get time to operate in it. That was the result of Jarwin getting injured.

There was literally a post on here earlier in the week with a tweet, with analysts showing the difference. I'm sure your agenda overlooked it.

Of course you have.. you said the play calling changed for Rush.. they were and have been running it for Dak since last year. They continued to run it at an increased pace the whole season last year.

Dak struggler throwing the ball against zone coverage period. He sucks at it and always sucks at it. He was getting confused at the line regarding the looks defenses showed.

 

[Ken]

Like I said, small sample size.



Or it's not a part of the offense. But remember- this started because you strawmanned what we've been saying. Now you're going with, "everybody else doesn't," which also isn't true. You're looking at something like 5-7% of some of these other guys' total passes, most of which are in the redzone, and saying they don't do it- just because you didn't understand the point from the beginning.

OMG.

You guys are literally dinging Dak for something no one is doing in the NFL. That is strawman.

BTW...between Wentz and Rush....two of the greatest gingers ever to play the game....not a single 5 or 7 step drop in that first half.

Shocking.

 

[Chuck 54]

Game 1 - 18 runs 42 passes (46 if you include 4 sacks)
Game 2 - 27 runs 31 passes
Game 3 - 30 runs 31 passes

It has been night and day in terms of balance. I don't know if you credit Moore or Rush but the difference is obvious. If this team wants to continue winning, it needs to continue running the ball. Either Dak or Moore is getting impatient too quickly and leaping straight to Mountain West football. This crap has to stop. To me if Moore is calling too many pass plays then it's on Dak and McCarthy to reign him in. If Dak is audibling to too many pass plays then it's up to Moore and McCarthy to reign HIM in. I don't know who it is .. and I don't really care.. but it absolutely has to stop. This defense is too good to be wasted by an offense that wants to have quick drives because they can't stop themselves from passing every down.

Think about this.. Neither the Rams nor the Bengals made it to 4 ypc in the Super Bowl.. yet both ran it more than 20 times.. The Rams ran it 23 times for 43 yards. Less than TWO YARDS PER CARRY!!! Every day people here post that "you can't get keep banging your head against a brick wall..." yet two teams in the Super Bowl were out there doing just that.

In the previous Super Bowl the Bucs ran it 33 times to 27 passes.. And I hear they had a decent passer QB.

The year before that the Chiefs ran it 29 times to only 20 for the 49ers.. who passed it 31 times despite averaging SEVEN YARDS PER CARRY on the ground. If they just keep running it and not let Garrapolo throw two picks they would have run KC off the field.

The bottom line is that good teams know they have to be balanced.. and smart OCs and QBs make sure they are.. If Dak and Moore don't figure this out I want them both gone..

I have always maintained that you must run the ball even if unsuccessfully, and even moreso with a weak OL. You never stop running the ball until the time on the clock and the score make you desperate. You must keep the defense honest up front…so easy to run on DEs who take off upfield. Keep the LBs closer to the line with eyes in the backfield. That’s what makes the passing game better.

 

[Haimerej]

OMG.

You guys are literally dinging Dak for something no one is doing in the NFL. That is strawman.

That is not a strawman. It's an observation.

BTW...between Wentz and Rush....two of the greatest gingers ever to play the game....not a single 5 or 7 step drop in that first half.

Shocking.

Not really. It's not as common in the NFL today.

 

[Ken]

That is not a strawman. It's an observation.



Not really. It's not as common in the NFL today.

It is an absolute rarity anymore.

I hate it...but this is the NFL now.

 

[visionary]

Game 1 - 18 runs 42 passes (46 if you include 4 sacks)
Game 2 - 27 runs 31 passes
Game 3 - 30 runs 31 passes

It has been night and day in terms of balance. I don't know if you credit Moore or Rush but the difference is obvious. If this team wants to continue winning, it needs to continue running the ball. Either Dak or Moore is getting impatient too quickly and leaping straight to Mountain West football. This crap has to stop. To me if Moore is calling too many pass plays then it's on Dak and McCarthy to reign him in. If Dak is audibling to too many pass plays then it's up to Moore and McCarthy to reign HIM in. I don't know who it is .. and I don't really care.. but it absolutely has to stop. This defense is too good to be wasted by an offense that wants to have quick drives because they can't stop themselves from passing every down.

Think about this.. Neither the Rams nor the Bengals made it to 4 ypc in the Super Bowl.. yet both ran it more than 20 times.. The Rams ran it 23 times for 43 yards. Less than TWO YARDS PER CARRY!!! Every day people here post that "you can't get keep banging your head against a brick wall..." yet two teams in the Super Bowl were out there doing just that.

In the previous Super Bowl the Bucs ran it 33 times to 27 passes.. And I hear they had a decent passer QB.

The year before that the Chiefs ran it 29 times to only 20 for the 49ers.. who passed it 31 times despite averaging SEVEN YARDS PER CARRY on the ground. If they just keep running it and not let Garrapolo throw two picks they would have run KC off the field.

The bottom line is that good teams know they have to be balanced.. and smart OCs and QBs make sure they are.. If Dak and Moore don't figure this out I want them both gone..

Why would you want the OC gone that can win 3 straight with a back up QB?

LOL, trying to find new excuses for your boy as usual.

Pathetic excuse making for Dak as usual but that’s nothing new for you

 

[RonnieT24]

It really is. Like I didn’t realize how much of an issue it is.

Id also say Zeke starting drives as the tailback is an issue and Pollard is better at kick starting the offense.

Yeah Pollard really kick started the offense today.. Much the same way he did against Tampa.. Nice work.