Cooper Rush is running a different offense so I’ve heard

[khiladi]

Who do people keep bringing up 2016 as if Dallas abandoned it after the first year?

What actually happened is teams just saw Beasley was his go-to and they sat on the out routes and bracketed him in coverage. So typical Dak, being the one-read QB he is, focused on forcing the ball to Dez. Dak can’t dissect a field worth crap, because he sucks at his progressions. Then they scapegoated Dez and they tried giving Besasley more routes, with Dak saying he was his number 1 and we saw how that turned out.

Dak sucked against Giants and Vikings in 2016, meaning his flaws were always there. Facts are, you need to be able to pass against a zone consistently through anticipation and accuracy and going through progressions. Dak SUCKS at it.

If Dallas goes back to 2016, they’ll set the record probably for the least amount of points if any offense

 

[CATCH17]

Are people still not realizing that Dak audibling at the line is an issue?

It really is. Like I didn’t realize how much of an issue it is.

Id also say Zeke starting drives as the tailback is an issue and Pollard is better at kick starting the offense.

 

[Ken]

It would be a major stretch to believe it was a one time thing.

Why?

 

[Ken]

I knew that's the road you would take

That's why I mocked it in the 2nd sentence.

I knew that you would base your whole analysis on one quote from one game and then make sweeping generalizations off of it.

You guys do it all the time.

Heck...you guys still think Dak can't take a snap from under center bc he didn't take any in college.

It is a comedy at this point.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I knew that you would base your whole analysis on one quote from one game and then make sweeping generalizations off of it.

You guys do it all the time.

Heck...you guys still think Dak can't take a snap from under center bc he didn't take any in college.

It is a comedy at this point.

If you knew that you would've got ahead of it like I did you.

 

[khiladi]

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...lling-snap-analysis-2019-season-dak-prescott/

And for the billionth time, nobody says Dak can’t take a snap under center, what they say is he can’t do a traditional drop back, he’s limited to quick step drops under center and when he does it more often than not, it’s a quick throw or screen. This was in 2019, which was supposedly the year that attested to his greatness.

Moore called 1,108 offensive plays in 2019. He had his quarterback, Dak Prescott, take the snap from under center on 400 of those plays. Prescott was in the shotgun for 708 plays.

Of the 400 plays Prescott started under center, Moore called, 296 runs and 90 play action passes. 23% of Dak’s total passes in 2019, came off play-action. So this kills the idea, even though it was already dead, that Moore calls heavy play action
for Dak. They used it just as much under shotgun as under center.

The REAL PROBLEM and reality is, whether Linehan or Moore, they throw heavy under shotgun.

They are FORCED to ATTACK DEEP WITH DAK BY USING SHOTGUN HEAVILY. This is the same whether it was with Linehan or Moore, meaning it’s the QB limiting them as the guy can’t throw consistently taking the ball under center.

The one area in which Moore can’t seem to escape the predictability of Linehan is how the Cowboys try to move the ball through the air. More than 82% of Prescott’s pass attempts come from the shotgun (557 of 677 pass attempts were from the shotgun). Similarly, when the Cowboys start in the shotgun, Moore sends in a passing play 78.6% of the time (557 pass attempts on 708 shotgun snaps).

One of the things that stands out the most is that Prescott only threw the ball 30 times after dropping back from under center (he also attempted 90 play-action passes from that formation). A fair number of those 30 passes did not even require an actual drop back from center: some of them were quick screens thrown immediately after the snap.

A mere 17.7% of the passing plays called by Moore came when Prescott started under center (120 of 677), with 90 of those pass attempts coming off play-action.

Prescott attempted to execute a three-step, five-step, or seven-step drop on average of less than twice a game in 2019. That basic ratio has been true for every year that Prescott has been in the NFL.

There you have it, Dak is an early read QB.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...lling-snap-analysis-2019-season-dak-prescott/

 

[Haimerej]

Heck...you guys still think Dak can't take a snap from under center bc he didn't take any in college.

This is a strawman.

I'll explain it yet again. Pay attention-

When Dak passes from under center it's either playaction or a quick pass like a screen. He doesn't take a 5 or 7 step drop.

If you think I'm wrong, we have 6+ years of games for you to comb through. Find an example.

 

[khiladi]

The reality is, it’s pretty much the case that Dak has peaked. There is only so much an OC can do with him.

The dude made 160 million off mediocre QB play. Stop crying for him, he can ride his horse off into the sunset now with Tad, while we can mourn over how we wasted a prime roster ready for a SB run by starting him.

 

[fivetwos]

This is a strawman.

I'll explain it yet again. Pay attention-

When Dak passes from under center it's either playaction or a quick pass like a screen. He doesn't take a 5 or 7 step drop.

If you think I'm wrong, we have 6+ years of games for you to comb through. Find an example.

Hence, being predictable….which has been a problem here for a long while in several ways.

 

[Ekspozed]

Game 1 - 18 runs 42 passes (46 if you include 4 sacks)
Game 2 - 27 runs 31 passes
Game 3 - 30 runs 31 passes

It has been night and day in terms of balance. I don't know if you credit Moore or Rush but the difference is obvious. If this team wants to continue winning, it needs to continue running the ball. Either Dak or Moore is getting impatient too quickly and leaping straight to Mountain West football. This crap has to stop. To me if Moore is calling too many pass plays then it's on Dak and McCarthy to reign him in. If Dak is audibling to too many pass plays then it's up to Moore and McCarthy to reign HIM in. I don't know who it is .. and I don't really care.. but it absolutely has to stop. This defense is too good to be wasted by an offense that wants to have quick drives because they can't stop themselves from passing every down.

Think about this.. Neither the Rams nor the Bengals made it to 4 ypc in the Super Bowl.. yet both ran it more than 20 times.. The Rams ran it 23 times for 43 yards. Less than TWO YARDS PER CARRY!!! Every day people here post that "you can't get keep banging your head against a brick wall..." yet two teams in the Super Bowl were out there doing just that.

In the previous Super Bowl the Bucs ran it 33 times to 27 passes.. And I hear they had a decent passer QB.

The year before that the Chiefs ran it 29 times to only 20 for the 49ers.. who passed it 31 times despite averaging SEVEN YARDS PER CARRY on the ground. If they just keep running it and not let Garrapolo throw two picks they would have run KC off the field.

The bottom line is that good teams know they have to be balanced.. and smart OCs and QBs make sure they are.. If Dak and Moore don't figure this out I want them both gone..

Would have been more even if dak didn't check out of 13 runs week 1.

His 2nd series of the games was a zeke 7 or 8 yard run followed by 2 bad passes and a punt.

 

[Ken]

This is a strawman.

I'll explain it yet again. Pay attention-

When Dak passes from under center it's either playaction or a quick pass like a screen. He doesn't take a 5 or 7 step drop.

If you think I'm wrong, we have 6+ years of games for you to comb through. Find an example.

Wow...

Does anyone in the NFL actually do traditional 5 or 7 steps drops in the NFL?

I would love to see it if you have any evidence lol.

 

[KJJ]

The plan with Rush has been to get the ball out of his hand quick. They don’t want him hanging onto the ball having to use his legs because he’s not real mobile. The offense is different with Dak because he can move around and can run. He’s able to extend plays.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You are the one that said they went from Air Coryell, to West Coast, which is a completely different playbook.

Again, MM said it hasn’t. Rush can change the play at the line, just like Dak and the play calling is just as aggressive.

Because of the removal of the option routes is more of a West Coast style.

 

[khiladi]

Because of the removal of the option routes is more of a West Coast style.

The option route is done by the WIDE RECEIVER not the Qb, depending on the defensive scheme. Rush processes the defense faster and gets it out quicker.

MM is telling us that the responsibilities of Rush are basically the same and the play-calling hasn’t changed.

 

[khiladi]

It really is. Like I didn’t realize how much of an issue it is.

Id also say Zeke starting drives as the tailback is an issue and Pollard is better at kick starting the offense.

This happened to start the season in 2017 when Dak checked out if run 2-3 times against the Giants in the red zone, from less than 10 yards out. Then the awful Denver game happened where Zeke was targeted 9 times or something and Dak through pick 6s. Then Linehan was like enough is enough and just started handing the ball of to Zeke before the 6 game suspension.

 

[Ken]

This is a strawman.

I'll explain it yet again. Pay attention-

When Dak passes from under center it's either playaction or a quick pass like a screen. He doesn't take a 5 or 7 step drop.

If you think I'm wrong, we have 6+ years of games for you to comb through. Find an example.

Ya...just went thru every TD for Mahomes and Burrow from last year....not a single one met the criteria you specified. They all were from shotgun or playaction. Just like Dak's. I previously had gone through Romo's entire career and not a single one was a 5 or 7-step drop as well.

This isn't the 90s anymore. Traditional 5 and 7 steps drops don't happen. Hate to break it to you.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

The option route is done by the WIDE RECEIVER not the Qb, depending on the defensive scheme. Rush processes the defense faster and gets it out quicker.

MM is telling us that the responsibilities of Rush are basically the same and the play-calling hasn’t changed.

And what do you expect Mike to say? You think his going to give other teams a heads up on any changes? Most HC's say nothings changed when a backup QB is playing, just to get defenses to play them the same.

 

[Ken]

This happened to start the season in 2017 when Dak checked out if run 2-3 times against the Giants in the red zone, from less than 10 yards out. Then the awful Denver game happened where Zeke was targeted 9 times or something and Dak through pick 6s. Then Linehan was like enough is enough and just started handing the ball of to Zeke before the 6 game suspension.

It is the offense.

Romo had the same "problem".

 

[khiladi]

And what do you expect Mike to say? You think his going to give other teams a heads up on any changes? Most HC's say nothings changed when a backup QB is playing, just to get defenses to play them the same.

What changed is he giving up when they have the tape of two games already?

 

[khiladi]

It is the offense.

Romo had the same "problem".

No if isn’t.. Garrett had Dallas at the bottom of play action usage in the league by the time Jerry started resting control. Stop trying to leverage Romo now for this bum. Garrett was no longer touching the offense in 2014 onwards.